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Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:20 am
by dcajet
Was flying from Punta Arenas to the Frei Base in Antarctica, left at 16:55 this afternoon and contact was lost at 18:12. Carrying 38 ppl on board, 17 crew and 21 paxs.

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nac ... ordo.shtml

Estimated position when contact was lost:

https://twitter.com/creyespier/status/1 ... 08/photo/1

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:23 am
by cuchopirulo
KC130R 990

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:20 am
by Dutchy
That's not good. Low chance of survival in those waters, unfortunately. Threturious waters between South American and Antarctica. Rarely calm seas.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:46 am
by Nomadd
Is 17 crew normal?

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:48 am
by AirlineCritic

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:56 pm
by AirlineCritic
No news is bad news. There does not seem to be any updates, at least not on international news.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:09 pm
by Noshow
They were at least pretty close to some island (Drake) it seems. Let's hope for the best.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:28 pm
by 32andBelow
Nomadd wrote:
Is 17 crew normal?

It’s a military plane so I’m not really sure how crew would be classified. Maybe 17 Air Force and 38 civilian?

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:28 pm
by Ozair
32andBelow wrote:
Nomadd wrote:
Is 17 crew normal?

It’s a military plane so I’m not really sure how crew would be classified. Maybe 17 Air Force and 38 civilian?

I think the suggestion is just that a standard C-130, depending on variant, will have four to six and perhaps double that is they are worried about crew duty and the aircraft was flying back that day. Seventeen is large so there was possibly a training event going on at the same time or perhaps extra “crew” who were along for the ride to check out Antarctica.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:21 pm
by AirlineCritic

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 12:12 pm
by iRISH251
This was formerly a US Marines tanker. http://www.c-130.net/aircraft-database/ ... file/7430/
Something catastrophic must have happened for it to come down from cruising level (typically FL200-240).

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:23 pm
by acontador
This is a very sad and unfortunate accident, right now the 38 occupants and the aircraft are presumed lost at sea. If the 38 people on board are confirmed as deceased, then this would be the worst accident in history affecting a Chilean aircraft. All out thoughts are right now with the families and friends of the people on board.

The aircraft was a KC-130R, BuNo 160628 (MSN 382-4776) 77-0324, delivered originally to the US Marine Corps in 1978 and SOC on Mar 6, 2009, then stored at AMARC. It was bought by the Chilean Air Force in 2010 as EDA, fully refurbished and redelivered in 2015 as FACH 990.

The 38 poeple on board comprised 17 crew members (I would guess 4 complete crews, as the aircraft was flying from Santiago to Punta Arenas, then after refuelling to Antartica, and then back again) and 21 passengers (overall 32 persons were Air Force personnel, 3 Army, 2 civil contractors and one student). The flight (it was the usual monthly supply flight to Antartica during the summer months) departed Santiago at 10:21 (all LT) and landed at Punta Arenas at 14:44. After refueling there, the aircraft took off at 16:53, and it was supposed to arrive at the Chilean Antartica base at King George Island at 19:17. Last contact with the aircraft was at 18:13, and it failed to respond on the next contact at 18:21. Overall flight distance from Punta Arenas to Antartica was about 670 nm, and the flight las reported its position about 390 nm into the flight over the Drake passage, and area of deep sea infamous for severe weather conditions, freezing temperatures (both air and water) and heavy storms.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:43 pm
by Noray
The Fuerza Aérea de Chile has set up a page with press releases in Spanish: SITUACIÓN C130 HÉRCULES

Noshow wrote:
They were at least pretty close to some island (Drake) it seems. Let's hope for the best.

At the position in question, I can't find an island on the map. Maybe there's some confusion about the names "Horno" and "Drake" in the communiqué (map) of the FACh? I guess that these are just reporting points where the crew is supposed to radio their position.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:14 pm
by Noray
According to the latest press release, 30 kilometers south of the aircraft's last known position, the Chilean ship Antarctic Endeavour has found pieces of foam that may have been part of the fuel tanks of a C-130.

Earlier they had reported that, among others, the US will send a P-8 and the British their A400M from the Falklands to help in the search operation.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:50 pm
by dcajet
Additional pieces of wreckage have been found, as reported by Clarin of Buenos Aires. Many news outlets inform of human remains being found, but I am not sure if the FACh has confirmed this yet.

https://www.clarin.com/mundo/tragedia-a ... d_Q_K.html.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:58 pm
by NearMiss
Human remains, parts of the fuel tanks, personal belongings and parts from the landing gear have been found:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... antarctica

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 11:12 pm
by dcajet
According to the latest news, there's a WhatsApp audio message sent from the plane by a soldier to its mother, telling that the plane had experienced some sort of electrical failure.

https://tn.com.ar/internacional/un-pasa ... ia_1018088

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:52 am
by dragon6172
dcajet wrote:
According to the latest news, there's a WhatsApp audio message sent from the plane by a soldier to its mother, telling that the plane had experienced some sort of electrical failure.

https://tn.com.ar/internacional/un-pasa ... ia_1018088

I find this very doubtful

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 2:59 am
by dcajet
dragon6172 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
According to the latest news, there's a WhatsApp audio message sent from the plane by a soldier to its mother, telling that the plane had experienced some sort of electrical failure.

https://tn.com.ar/internacional/un-pasa ... ia_1018088

I find this very doubtful


Apparently it's been confirmed by the FACh (Chilean Air Force):

https://www.theclinic.cl/2019/12/12/fac ... les-c-130/

https://www.soychile.cl/Santiago/Socied ... falla.aspx

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 1:04 pm
by Noray
dcajet wrote:
dragon6172 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
According to the latest news, there's a WhatsApp audio message sent from the plane by a soldier to its mother, telling that the plane had experienced some sort of electrical failure.

https://tn.com.ar/internacional/un-pasa ... ia_1018088

I find this very doubtful


Apparently it's been confirmed by the FACh (Chilean Air Force):

https://www.theclinic.cl/2019/12/12/fac ... les-c-130/

https://www.soychile.cl/Santiago/Socied ... falla.aspx

According to your links, they only confirmed that they've heard about it, not that it's authentic, and, if so, when and from where it was sent. Somebody has to explain to me how you get a connection to WhatsApp in a C-130 flying over the ocean 400 kilometers south of Cape Horn.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 4:08 pm
by dcajet
Noray wrote:
dcajet wrote:
dragon6172 wrote:
I find this very doubtful


Apparently it's been confirmed by the FACh (Chilean Air Force):

https://www.theclinic.cl/2019/12/12/fac ... les-c-130/

https://www.soychile.cl/Santiago/Socied ... falla.aspx

According to your links, they only confirmed that they've heard about it, not that it's authentic, and, if so, when and from where it was sent. Somebody has to explain to me how you get a connection to WhatsApp in a C-130 flying over the ocean 400 kilometers south of Cape Horn.


Well, no skin of mine in this game, but in one of the links provided it also states that the message was not of the last goodbye sort, but rather that it was sent by a soldier to his mother stating how happy he was to be on this trip and mentioned in passing there was an electrical issue with the plane. So it could have been sent shortly after take off. closer to the continent, or while still over the continent...

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:53 pm
by dragon6172
dcajet wrote:
Noray wrote:
dcajet wrote:

According to your links, they only confirmed that they've heard about it, not that it's authentic, and, if so, when and from where it was sent. Somebody has to explain to me how you get a connection to WhatsApp in a C-130 flying over the ocean 400 kilometers south of Cape Horn.


Well, no skin of mine in this game, but in one of the links provided it also states that the message was not of the last goodbye sort, but rather that it was sent by a soldier to his mother stating how happy he was to be on this trip and mentioned in passing there was an electrical issue with the plane. So it could have been sent shortly after take off. closer to the continent, or while still over the continent...

Maybe from their last fuel stop. Sending a message while sitting on the ground waiting for an electrical issue to be fixed on the aircraft seems plausible.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:12 pm
by flyingturtle
dcajet wrote:
So it could have been sent shortly after take off. closer to the continent, or while still over the continent...


Questionable given that the population density of that area is really, really low. A few mobile antennas, yes... but I'm not going to look for the map of Chilean mobile antennas.

Maybe the aircraft had a continuous data link via satellite, and somebody bolted a Wifi router onto that system.

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:51 pm
by WKTaylor
CBS News... Chile air force plane found off tip of South America along with human remains
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/chile-plan ... 019-12-12/

Re: Chilean Air Force C-130 disappears on its way to Antarctica

Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 8:56 pm
by WKTaylor