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AirlineCritic wrote:Needless hurry + bad weather = bad outcome?
sovietjet wrote:Let's not make this political. Whoever the crew is, were following orders during their service in the military. The problem with fog is not that the helicopter doesn't have electronics to get back to base. From what I understand, it's the terrain obstacles. Imagine flying low and not knowing where exactly you will run into a tree or power lines. Yes, the electronics guide you back to the base, but then landing it requires some minimal visibility to not run into stuff.
Phosphorus wrote:sovietjet wrote:Let's not make this political. Whoever the crew is, were following orders during their service in the military. The problem with fog is not that the helicopter doesn't have electronics to get back to base. From what I understand, it's the terrain obstacles. Imagine flying low and not knowing where exactly you will run into a tree or power lines. Yes, the electronics guide you back to the base, but then landing it requires some minimal visibility to not run into stuff.
Somebody killed my answer. Probably Kremlin brigade didn't like it.
anyway, the question remains -- how is it that a Mil Mi-28N Night Hunter is unable to fly and land at home base in the dark? Night vision equipment, radars, ILS -- nothing beats poor visibility anymore?
Phosphorus wrote:sovietjet wrote:Let's not make this political. Whoever the crew is, were following orders during their service in the military. The problem with fog is not that the helicopter doesn't have electronics to get back to base. From what I understand, it's the terrain obstacles. Imagine flying low and not knowing where exactly you will run into a tree or power lines. Yes, the electronics guide you back to the base, but then landing it requires some minimal visibility to not run into stuff.
Somebody killed my answer. Probably Kremlin brigade didn't like it.
anyway, the question remains -- how is it that a Mil Mi-28N Night Hunter is unable to fly and land at home base in the dark? Night vision equipment, radars, ILS -- nothing beats poor visibility anymore?
Phosphorus wrote:What I find fascinating -- this is presumably a brand-new helicopter, fresh from the factory. It's an attack helicopter, crammed with expensive vision and targeting stuff, electronics galore, all that.
The original crew (two people) had a major as pilot in command. They were returning to home base, also crammed with electronics, radars, all that.
A major is a lot of officer in those parts. In Soviet Army, plenty of officers retired as major after 25 years of service.
Here, a major in a (presumably) state-of-the art helicopter cannot land at his (presumably) well-equipped base, because... visibility is poor?
kanban wrote:Love the article wording that "there was no damage on the ground"... not sure how a pilotless aircraft other than a drone can accomplish this.. but then again it may just be American English vs. British English.
Phosphorus wrote:Su-57, manufacturer-owned, down in Russia. No casualties.
426Shadow wrote:This certainly is good news. Kind of odd though that China hasn't had one go down. I guess the benefits of stealing data means you wont make the same mistakes.
426Shadow wrote:This certainly is good news. Kind of odd though that China hasn't had one go down. I guess the benefits of stealing data means you wont make the same mistakes.
Dutchy wrote:426Shadow wrote:This certainly is good news. Kind of odd though that China hasn't had one go down. I guess the benefits of stealing data means you wont make the same mistakes.
What do you mean? China hasn't had any Su-57 delivered, so in that sense, you are absolutely right, they haven't had any Su-57 crashes to date. And perhaps good to mention that New Zealand also hasn't had any Su-57 crashes.
DeltaMD90 wrote:Not to defend the SU-57 or modern day Russian aerospace engineering in general, but top of the line Western planes crash too. I don't think, this alone, is much of a useful data point
Glad the pilot made it out
RJMAZ wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:Phosphorus wrote:Su-57, manufacturer-owned, down in Russia. No casualties.
This article has a good top view pic of the SU-57,
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... est-flight
Armadillo1 wrote:...
haven't heard anything about barrier strike.
initial reports landing in blizzard condition, moving (or landing) left off runway.