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Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:46 am

Welcome to the Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread Thread 2020. Please continue your discussion and to post your updates here.

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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:21 am

How many KC-46s are now at:
Altus
McConnell
Pease
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:18 am

How long do they intend to fly the KC-46s for?
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:32 am

I think the most important question to ask is when is the KC-46 going to be ready operationally?
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:46 am

kc135topboom wrote:
How many KC-46s are now at:
Altus
McConnell
Pease


According my spreadsheet - additions and/or corrections are welcome :

Not delivered
Delivered to Altus
Delivered to Mc Conell
Delivered to Pease

KC-46A Listing :

L/N 1065 C/N 41273 B767-2LKC N461FT 11-46001 USAF KC-46A (VH001) EMD1
L/N 1066 C/N 41274 B767-2LKC N464KC 11-46002 USAF KC-46A (VH002) EMD4
L/N 1067 C/N 34054 B767-2LKC N463FT 11-46003 USAF KC-46A (VH003) EMD3
L/N 1069 C/N 41275 B767-2LKC N462KC 11-46004 USAF KC-46A (VH004) EMD2
L/N 1091 C/N 41852 B767-2LKC N842BA 15-46005 USAF KC46A (VH005) LRIP 1, #1/7
L/N 1092 C/N 41983 B767-2LKC N884BA 15-46006 USAF KC46A (VH006) LRIP 1, #2/7
L/N 1098 C/N 41855 B767-2LKC 15-46007 USAF KC46A (VH007)LRIP 1, #3/7, tail 56007
L/N 1100 C/N 41856 B767-2LKC 15-46008 USAF KC-46A (VH008) LRIP 1, #4/7, tail 56008
L/N 1102 C/N 41858 B767-2LKC 15-46009 USAF KC-46A (VH009) LRIP 1, #5/7, N50217, tail 56009, Note : ALL 767’s built after this L/N are not indicated anymore with Boeing customer codes in FAA documentation, however internal Boeing documentation is still indicating the customer code.
L/N 1104 C/N 41859 B767-2LKC 15-46010 USAF KC-46A (VH010) LRIP 1, #6/7, tail 56010
L/N 1107 C/N 34106 B767-2LKC 15-46011 USAF KC-46A (VH011) LRIP 1, #7/7, tail 56011
L/N 1109 C/N 34107 B767-2LKC 16-46012 USAF KC-46A (VH012) LRIP 2, #01/12, tail 66012
L/N 1111 C/N 34109 B767-2LKC 16-46013 USAF KC-46A (VH013) LRIP 2, #02/12, tail 66013
L/N 1113 C/N 34105 B767-2LKC 16-46014 USAF KC-46A (VH014) LRIP 2, #03/12, tail 66014
L/N 1114 C/N 34134 B767-2LKC 16-46015 USAF KC-46A (VH015) LRIP 2, #04/12, N6009F, tail 66015
L/N 1116 C/N 41860 B767-2LKC 16-46016 USAF KC-46A (VH016) LRIP 2, #05/12, tail 66016
L/N 1117 C/N 34108 B767-2LKC 16-46017 USAF KC-46A (VH017) LRIP 2, #06/12, N5573S, tail 66017
L/N 1119 C/N 34135 B767-2LKC 16-46018 USAF KC-46A (VH018) LRIP 2, #07/12, N5514J, tail 66018
L/N 1120 C/N 34138 B767-2LKC 16-46019 USAF KC-46A (VH019) LRIP 2, #08/12, N5514K, tail 66019
L/N 1122 C/N 34137 B767-2LKC 16-46020 USAF KC-46A (VH020) LRIP 2, #09/12, N5514V, tail 66020
L/N 1124 C/N 34139 B767-2LKC 16-46021 USAF KC-46A (VH021) LRIP 2, #10/12, N5514X, tail 66021
L/N 1126 C/N 34136 B767-2LKC 16-46022 USAF KC-46A (VH022) LRIP 2, #11/12, N5573S, tail 66022
L/N 1128 C/N 41861 B767-2LKC 16-46023 USAF KC-46A (VH023) LRIP 2, #12/12, N6018N, tail 66023

L/N 1129 C/N 34121 B767-2LKC 17-46024 USAF KC-46A (VH024) LRIP 3, #01/15, tail 76024
L/N 1131 C/N 41863 B767-2LKC 17-46025 USAF KC-46A (VH025) LRIP 3, #02/15, N1785B, tail 76025
L/N 1132 C/N 34127 B767-2LKC 17-46026 USAF KC-46A (VH026) LRIP 3, #03/15, N6018N, tail 76026
L/N 1134 C/N 34126 B767-2LKC 17-46027 USAF KC-46A (VH027) LRIP 3, #04/15, tail 76027
L/N 1135 C/N 34124 B767-2LKC 17-46028 USAF KC-46A (VH028) LRIP 3, #05/15, N55141, tail 76028

L/N 1137 C/N 34110 B767-2LKC 17-46029 USAF KC-46A (VH029) LRIP 3, #06/15, N55141, tail 76029
L/N 1139 C/N 34112 B767-2LKC 17-46030 USAF KC-46A (VH030) LRIP 3, #07/15, N6009F, tail 76030
L/N 1143 C/N 34115 B767-2LKC 17-46031 USAF KC-46A (VH031) LRIP3, #08/15, N5513X, tail 76031

L/N 1145 C/N 34111 B767-2LKC 17-46032 USAF KC-46A (VH032) LRIP3, #09/15, N5016R, tail 76032
L/N 1147 C/N 34113 B767-2LKC 17-46033 USAF KC-46A (VH033) LRIP3, #10/15, N5016R, tail 76033
L/N 1149 C/N 34114 B767-2LKC 17-46034 USAF KC-46A (VH034) LRIP3, #11/15, tail 76034
L/N 1151 C/N 41864 B767-2LKC 17-46035 USAF KC-46A (VH035) LRIP3, #12/15, N5017V, tail 76035
L/N 1154 C/N 34091 B767-2LKC 17-46036 USAF KC-46A (VH036) LRIP3, #13/15, tail 76036
L/N 1156 C/N 41984 B767-2LKC 17-46037 USAF KC-46A (VH037) LRIP3, #14/15, N5511Y, tail 76037
L/N 1158 C/N 41985 B767-2LKC 17-46038 USAF KC-46A (VH038) LRIP3, #15/15, N5020K, tail 76038
L/N 1160 C/N 34089 B767-2LKC 18-46039 USAF KC-46A (VH039) Lot 4, #01/18, N1785B, tail 86039
L/N 1162 C/N 34087 B767-2LKC 18-46040 USAF KC-46A (VH040) Lot 4, #02/18, N6018N, tail 86040
L/N 1164 C/N 34088 B767-2LKC 18-46041 USAF KC-46A (VH041) Lot 4, #03/18, N50217, tail 86041
L/N 1166 C/N 34090 B767-2LKC 18-46042 USAF KC-46A (VH042) Lot 4, #04/18, N5512A, tail 86042
L/N 1168 C/N 34092 B767-2LKC 18-46043 USAF KC-46A (VH043) Lot 4, #05/18, tail 86043
L/N 1170 C/N 34086 B767-2LKC 18-46044 USAF KC-46A (VH044) Lot 4, #05/18, N5511V, tail 86044
L/N 1172 C/N 41865 B767-2LKC 18-46045 USAF KC-46A (VH045) Lot 4, #05/18, tail 86045

L/N 1174 C/N 41866 B767-2LKC 18-46046 USAF KC-46A (VH046) Lot 4, #06/18, tail 86046
L/N 1176 C/N 41867 B767-2LKC 18-46047 USAF KC-46A (VH047) Lot 4, #07/18, N5016R, tail 86047
L/N 1178 C/N 34141 B767-2LKC 18-46048 USAF KC-46A (VH048) Lot 4, #08/18, N1794B, tail 86048
L/N 1181 C/N 34140 B767-2LKC 18-46049 USAF KC-46A (VH049) Lot 4, #09/18, N5510E, tail 86049
L/N 1184 C/N 34052 B767-2LKC 18-46050 USAF KC-46A (VH050) Lot 4, #10/18, N5511Z, tail 86050
L/N 1188 C/N 41868 B767-2LKC 18-46051 USAF KC-46A (VH051) Lot 4, #11/18, tail 86051
L/N 1190 was the final B767 to display in Boeing internal documentation with a full firing order configuration with Boeing customer code (eg. -LK). All 767 frames from LN 1191 forwards are now simply -300F or -2C for the KC-46A tankers.
L/N 1192 C/N 41870 B767-2C 18-46052 USAF KC-46A (VH052) Lot 4, #12/18, tail 86052
L/N 1196 C/N 41873 B767-2C 18-46053 USAF KC-46A (VH053) Lot 4, #13/18, tail 86053
L/N 1200 C/N 41874 B767-2C 18-46054 USAF KC-46A (VH054) Lot 4, #14/18, tail 86054
L/N 1202 C/N xxxxx B767-2C 18-46055 USAF KC-46A (VH055) Lot 4, #15/18, tail 86055

Not allocated L/N’s :
L/N XXXX C/N xxxxx B767-2C 18-46056 USAF KC-46A (VH056) Lot 4, #16/18, tail 86056
L/N XXXX C/N xxxxx B767-2C 18-46057 USAF KC-46A (VH057) Lot 4, #17/18, tail 86057
L/N XXXX C/N xxxxx B767-2C 18-46058 USAF KC-46A (VH058) Lot 4, #18/18, tail 86058
L/N XXXX C/N xxxxx B767-2C 19-46059 USAF KC-46A (VH059) Lot 5, #01/15, tail 96059

JApan Self Defence Force KC-46A :
L/N 1207 C/N xxxxx B767-2C 14-3611 JASDF KC-46A (Vx001)
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:57 pm

Thanks 747classic.

So 55 airframes have been built, or are in production for the USAF, 4 more are ordered by the USAF, and 1 ordered for the JSDAF. That puts the USAF at about 33% of the way through the 179 tanker order, and the JSFDAF 25% of the way through thier 4 tanker order?

21 at McConnell
2 at Altus
2 at Pease

Is that right?

On a separate note:

A fix was approved by the USAF in December 2019 for the cargo floor lock tie downs. All new builds will have the modified tie downs, and those tankers already delivered will all be modified in the coming months. At least one McConnell tanker has already been modified and is approved for cargo and passenger flights.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:58 pm

DigitalSea wrote:
How long do they intend to fly the KC-46s for?


The KC-46 is expected to be in the USAF fleet for 40-45 years.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:06 pm

LMP737 wrote:
I think the most important question to ask is when is the KC-46 going to be ready operationally?


TBD

The USAF is already doing training air refueling and Boom Operator/receiver qualification/Boom Operator missions with the KC-46. Work still continues on design of new hardware and software for the remote air refueling station, but what we have now is good enough for some training, operational, and combat missions (the KC-46A is not combat qualified, yet).

At least one airframe has been cleared for cargo/pax missions, others will follow soon.

Areo-medical missions TBD.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:55 pm

It has been suggested multiple times that the tanker fleet would make great comms nodes and now a subset of kc-135s are being modified for the role. Interestingly the KC-46 has clearly been designed with this in mind and the current airframe has everything it would need without major modification.

What if Air Force tankers became a communications node?

For decades, the Air Force’s tanker fleet have logged hours transferring fuel, transporting troops and serving as flying ambulances. Soon, the tankers could add another mission to the list: relaying communications data as part of the Air Force’s new mesh network.

...

Tankers are well-suited to be used as communications nodes for two reasons, Thomas said. One, aerial refueling planes are typically large, wide-body aircraft that have enough excess space and power to host additional communication systems. The second is their location during combat. One way to operate tanker aircraft is to position them near a contested airspace, close enough for fighters and other airborne assets to refuel as needed before returning to battle, he said.

“If you’re in that spot, you also have a great opportunity by virtue of that position. You can communicate to a lot of different assets if you have the right equipment on the tanker. You can communicate line of sight to other air assets. You can communicate line of sight possibly to some assets on the surface,” Thomas said. “If you have the ability to get to the space layer and communicate, then you can also be a pathway from line-of-sight to beyond line-of-sight, to the space layer. If you have a resilient space architecture, then you can lateral across and then come back down to a ground entry point.”

The Air Force’s newest tanker, the KC-46, has communications and defensive systems that would allow it to become a communications relay without needing significant upgrades, Thomas said.

...

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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:51 pm

Apparently rework needs to be completed on some key systems. Light jets need to push harder to connect which can lead to unwanted interaction with the receiver.

At the heart of the KC-46 design are the boom and Remote Vision System. The latter of which has boom operators wearing 3D glasses and sitting in front of screens at stations in the front of the 767 derivative to control refueling operations (read all about it here). Both of these key components, the boom and the Remote Vision System, do not meet the USAF's expectations and are being redesigned. This is occurring as the jets continue to be delivered.


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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:58 am

kc135topboom wrote:
Thanks 747classic.

So 55 airframes have been built, or are in production for the USAF, 4 more are ordered by the USAF, and 1 ordered for the JSDAF. That puts the USAF at about 33% of the way through the 179 tanker order, and the JSFDAF 25% of the way through thier 4 tanker order?

21 at McConnell
2 at Altus
2 at Pease

Is that right?

On a separate note:

A fix was approved by the USAF in December 2019 for the cargo floor lock tie downs. All new builds will have the modified tie downs, and those tankers already delivered will all be modified in the coming months. At least one McConnell tanker has already been modified and is approved for cargo and passenger flights.


I made a slight mistake on Lot 4 :
L/N 1168, 1170 and 1172 are all three marked as aircraft #5/18. (copy-paste failure ????)
Below you find the corrected KC-46A listing.

Total ordered up to now are 71 aircraft :
EMD----- 4 aircraft
LRIP 1--- 7 aircraft
LRIP 2--- 12 aircraft
LRIP 3 --- 15 aircraft
Lot 4 ------ 18 aircraft
Lot 5 ------ 15 aircraft

Not delivered
Delivered to Altus
Delivered to Mc Conell
Delivered to Pease

KC-46A Listing :

L/N 1065 C/N 41273 B767-2LKC N461FT 11-46001 USAF KC-46A (VH001) EMD1
L/N 1066 C/N 41274 B767-2LKC N464KC 11-46002 USAF KC-46A (VH002) EMD4
L/N 1067 C/N 34054 B767-2LKC N463FT 11-46003 USAF KC-46A (VH003) EMD3
L/N 1069 C/N 41275 B767-2LKC N462KC 11-46004 USAF KC-46A (VH004) EMD2
L/N 1091 C/N 41852 B767-2LKC N842BA 15-46005 USAF KC46A (VH005) LRIP 1, #1/7
L/N 1092 C/N 41983 B767-2LKC N884BA 15-46006 USAF KC46A (VH006) LRIP 1, #2/7
L/N 1098 C/N 41855 B767-2LKC 15-46007 USAF KC46A (VH007)LRIP 1, #3/7, tail 56007
L/N 1100 C/N 41856 B767-2LKC 15-46008 USAF KC-46A (VH008) LRIP 1, #4/7, tail 56008
L/N 1102 C/N 41858 B767-2LKC 15-46009 USAF KC-46A (VH009) LRIP 1, #5/7, N50217, tail 56009, Note : ALL 767’s built after this L/N are not indicated anymore with Boeing customer codes in FAA documentation, however internal Boeing documentation is still indicating the customer code.
L/N 1104 C/N 41859 B767-2LKC 15-46010 USAF KC-46A (VH010) LRIP 1, #6/7, tail 56010
L/N 1107 C/N 34106 B767-2LKC 15-46011 USAF KC-46A (VH011) LRIP 1, #7/7, tail 56011
L/N 1109 C/N 34107 B767-2LKC 16-46012 USAF KC-46A (VH012) LRIP 2, #01/12, tail 66012
L/N 1111 C/N 34109 B767-2LKC 16-46013 USAF KC-46A (VH013) LRIP 2, #02/12, tail 66013
L/N 1113 C/N 34105 B767-2LKC 16-46014 USAF KC-46A (VH014) LRIP 2, #03/12, tail 66014
L/N 1114 C/N 34134 B767-2LKC 16-46015 USAF KC-46A (VH015) LRIP 2, #04/12, N6009F, tail 66015
L/N 1116 C/N 41860 B767-2LKC 16-46016 USAF KC-46A (VH016) LRIP 2, #05/12, tail 66016
L/N 1117 C/N 34108 B767-2LKC 16-46017 USAF KC-46A (VH017) LRIP 2, #06/12, N5573S, tail 66017
L/N 1119 C/N 34135 B767-2LKC 16-46018 USAF KC-46A (VH018) LRIP 2, #07/12, N5514J, tail 66018
L/N 1120 C/N 34138 B767-2LKC 16-46019 USAF KC-46A (VH019) LRIP 2, #08/12, N5514K, tail 66019
L/N 1122 C/N 34137 B767-2LKC 16-46020 USAF KC-46A (VH020) LRIP 2, #09/12, N5514V, tail 66020
L/N 1124 C/N 34139 B767-2LKC 16-46021 USAF KC-46A (VH021) LRIP 2, #10/12, N5514X, tail 66021
L/N 1126 C/N 34136 B767-2LKC 16-46022 USAF KC-46A (VH022) LRIP 2, #11/12, N5573S, tail 66022
L/N 1128 C/N 41861 B767-2LKC 16-46023 USAF KC-46A (VH023) LRIP 2, #12/12, N6018N, tail 66023

L/N 1129 C/N 34121 B767-2LKC 17-46024 USAF KC-46A (VH024) LRIP 3, #01/15, tail 76024
L/N 1131 C/N 41863 B767-2LKC 17-46025 USAF KC-46A (VH025) LRIP 3, #02/15, N1785B, tail 76025
L/N 1132 C/N 34127 B767-2LKC 17-46026 USAF KC-46A (VH026) LRIP 3, #03/15, N6018N, tail 76026
L/N 1134 C/N 34126 B767-2LKC 17-46027 USAF KC-46A (VH027) LRIP 3, #04/15, tail 76027
L/N 1135 C/N 34124 B767-2LKC 17-46028 USAF KC-46A (VH028) LRIP 3, #05/15, N55141, tail 76028

L/N 1137 C/N 34110 B767-2LKC 17-46029 USAF KC-46A (VH029) LRIP 3, #06/15, N55141, tail 76029
L/N 1139 C/N 34112 B767-2LKC 17-46030 USAF KC-46A (VH030) LRIP 3, #07/15, N6009F, tail 76030
L/N 1143 C/N 34115 B767-2LKC 17-46031 USAF KC-46A (VH031) LRIP3, #08/15, N5513X, tail 76031

L/N 1145 C/N 34111 B767-2LKC 17-46032 USAF KC-46A (VH032) LRIP3, #09/15, N5016R, tail 76032
L/N 1147 C/N 34113 B767-2LKC 17-46033 USAF KC-46A (VH033) LRIP3, #10/15, N5016R, tail 76033
L/N 1149 C/N 34114 B767-2LKC 17-46034 USAF KC-46A (VH034) LRIP3, #11/15, tail 76034
L/N 1151 C/N 41864 B767-2LKC 17-46035 USAF KC-46A (VH035) LRIP3, #12/15, N5017V, tail 76035
L/N 1154 C/N 34091 B767-2LKC 17-46036 USAF KC-46A (VH036) LRIP3, #13/15, tail 76036
L/N 1156 C/N 41984 B767-2LKC 17-46037 USAF KC-46A (VH037) LRIP3, #14/15, N5511Y, tail 76037
L/N 1158 C/N 41985 B767-2LKC 17-46038 USAF KC-46A (VH038) LRIP3, #15/15, N5020K, tail 76038
L/N 1160 C/N 34089 B767-2LKC 18-46039 USAF KC-46A (VH039) Lot 4, #01/18, N1785B, tail 86039
L/N 1162 C/N 34087 B767-2LKC 18-46040 USAF KC-46A (VH040) Lot 4, #02/18, N6018N, tail 86040
L/N 1164 C/N 34088 B767-2LKC 18-46041 USAF KC-46A (VH041) Lot 4, #03/18, N50217, tail 86041
L/N 1166 C/N 34090 B767-2LKC 18-46042 USAF KC-46A (VH042) Lot 4, #04/18, N5512A, tail 86042
L/N 1168 C/N 34092 B767-2LKC 18-46043 USAF KC-46A (VH043) Lot 4, #05/18, tail 86043
L/N 1170 C/N 34086 B767-2LKC 18-46044 USAF KC-46A (VH044) Lot 4, #06/18, N5511V, tail 86044
L/N 1172 C/N 41865 B767-2LKC 18-46045 USAF KC-46A (VH045) Lot 4, #07/18, tail 86045
L/N 1174 C/N 41866 B767-2LKC 18-46046 USAF KC-46A (VH046) Lot 4, #08/18, tail 86046

L/N 1176 C/N 41867 B767-2LKC 18-46047 USAF KC-46A (VH047) Lot 4, #09/18, N5016R, tail 86047
L/N 1178 C/N 34141 B767-2LKC 18-46048 USAF KC-46A (VH048) Lot 4, #10/18, N1794B, tail 86048
L/N 1181 C/N 34140 B767-2LKC 18-46049 USAF KC-46A (VH049) Lot 4, #11/18, N5510E, tail 86049
L/N 1184 C/N 34052 B767-2LKC 18-46050 USAF KC-46A (VH050) Lot 4, #12/18, N5511Z, tail 86050
L/N 1188 C/N 41868 B767-2LKC 18-46051 USAF KC-46A (VH051) Lot 4, #13/18, tail 86051
L/N 1190 was the final B767 to display in Boeing internal documentation with a full firing order configuration with Boeing customer code (eg. -LK). All 767 frames from LN 1191 forwards are now simply -300F or -2C for the KC-46A tankers.
L/N 1192 C/N 41870 B767-2C 18-46052 USAF KC-46A (VH052) Lot 4, #14/18, tail 86052
L/N 1196 C/N 41873 B767-2C 18-46053 USAF KC-46A (VH053) Lot 4, #15/18, tail 86053
L/N 1200 C/N 41874 B767-2C 18-46054 USAF KC-46A (VH054) Lot 4, #16/18, tail 86054
L/N 1202 C/N xxxxx B767-2C 18-46055 USAF KC-46A (VH055) Lot 4, #17/18, tail 86055

Not allocated L/N’s :
L/N XXXX C/N xxxxx B767-2C 18-46056 USAF KC-46A (VH056) Lot 4, #18/18, tail 86056
L/N XXXX C/N xxxxx B767-2C 19-46057 USAF KC-46A (VH057) Lot 4, #01/15, tail 96057
L/N XXXX C/N xxxxx B767-2C 19-46058 USAF KC-46A (VH058) Lot 4, #02/15, tail 96058
L/N XXXX C/N xxxxx B767-2C 19-46059 USAF KC-46A (VH059) Lot 5, #03/15, tail 96059
until/incl.
L/N XXXX C/N xxxxx B767-2C 19-46071 USAF KC-46A (VH071) Lot 5, #15/15, tail 96071

JApan Self Defence Force KC-46A :
L/N 1207 C/N xxxxx B767-2C 14-3611 JASDF KC-46A (Vx001)
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:01 pm

Ozair wrote:
It has been suggested multiple times that the tanker fleet would make great comms nodes and now a subset of kc-135s are being modified for the role. Interestingly the KC-46 has clearly been designed with this in mind and the current airframe has everything it would need without major modification.

What if Air Force tankers became a communications node?

For decades, the Air Force’s tanker fleet have logged hours transferring fuel, transporting troops and serving as flying ambulances. Soon, the tankers could add another mission to the list: relaying communications data as part of the Air Force’s new mesh network.

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Tankers are well-suited to be used as communications nodes for two reasons, Thomas said. One, aerial refueling planes are typically large, wide-body aircraft that have enough excess space and power to host additional communication systems. The second is their location during combat. One way to operate tanker aircraft is to position them near a contested airspace, close enough for fighters and other airborne assets to refuel as needed before returning to battle, he said.

“If you’re in that spot, you also have a great opportunity by virtue of that position. You can communicate to a lot of different assets if you have the right equipment on the tanker. You can communicate line of sight to other air assets. You can communicate line of sight possibly to some assets on the surface,” Thomas said. “If you have the ability to get to the space layer and communicate, then you can also be a pathway from line-of-sight to beyond line-of-sight, to the space layer. If you have a resilient space architecture, then you can lateral across and then come back down to a ground entry point.”

The Air Force’s newest tanker, the KC-46, has communications and defensive systems that would allow it to become a communications relay without needing significant upgrades, Thomas said.

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https://www.c4isrnet.com/air/2020/01/06 ... ions-node/


The KC-135 has filled the role of a communications node before:
During the Vietnam War several KC-135As were equipped as radio relay birds that orbited in the Gulf Of Tonkin.
During Operation Eldorado, Granada, Panama, and Desert Storm EC-135Cs filled this role.
During the current GWOT some KC-135Rs were equipped to be 'Smart Tankers' which carries a Battle Staff and communications suit.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:47 am

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How many KC-46s are now at:
Altus
McConnell
Pease


Two more deliveries for Pease :

L/N 1120 C/N 34138 B767-2LKC 16-46019 USAF KC-46A (VH019) LRIP 2, #08/12, N5514K, tail 66019 was delivered BFI-PSM at January 10th 2020 with callsign PACK51 to 157ARW
L/N 1119 C/N 34135 B767-2LKC 16-46018 USAF KC-46A (VH018) LRIP 2, #07/12, N5514J, tail 66018 was delivered BFI-PSM at January 10th 2020 with callsign PACK52 to 157ARW.

One for McConnell :

L/N 1116 C/N 41860 B767-2LKC 16-46016 USAF KC-46A (VH016) LRIP 2, #05/12, tail 66016 was delivered BFI-IAB at January 10th 2020 with callsign MDUSA21 to 22ARW.

See : https://twitter.com/BoeingDefense/statu ... 8316554245
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:39 am

747classic wrote:
kc135topboom wrote:
How many KC-46s are now at:
Altus
McConnell
Pease


Two more deliveries for Pease :

L/N 1120 C/N 34138 B767-2LKC 16-46019 USAF KC-46A (VH019) LRIP 2, #08/12, N5514K, tail 66019 was delivered BFI-PSM at January 10th 2020 with callsign PACK51 to 157ARW
L/N 1119 C/N 34135 B767-2LKC 16-46018 USAF KC-46A (VH018) LRIP 2, #07/12, N5514J, tail 66018 was delivered BFI-PSM at January 10th 2020 with callsign PACK52 to 157ARW.

One for McConnell :

L/N 1116 C/N 41860 B767-2LKC 16-46016 USAF KC-46A (VH016) LRIP 2, #05/12, tail 66016 was delivered BFI-IAB at January 10th 2020 with callsign MDUSA21 to 22ARW.

See : https://twitter.com/BoeingDefense/statu ... 8316554245


Do we know if these 3 new tankers have had the cargo tie down locks modified to the new standard?
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:54 am

There seems to be some confusion to the number of jets delivered to Altus. So far 5 jets were delivered to Altus.
028, 027, 025, 032, and 033
McConnell just had their 21st jet delivered on Friday. They have the following,
009, 016, 017, 022, 023, 026, 030, 031, 035, 036, 037, 038, 039, 040, 041, 042, 043, 044, 045, 046, and 048

Pease had their first two delivered last August, and the second two last Friday
029 and 034 in August
018 and 019 10 Jan 2020
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:57 am

kc135topboom wrote:
747classic wrote:
kc135topboom wrote:
How many KC-46s are now at:
Altus
McConnell
Pease




Do we know if these 3 new tankers have had the cargo tie down locks modified to the new standard?


From what I've heard, there hasn't been a fix to the problem yet, so I would say no.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:11 am

Galaxy5007 wrote:
kc135topboom wrote:
747classic wrote:



Do we know if these 3 new tankers have had the cargo tie down locks modified to the new standard?


From what I've heard, there hasn't been a fix to the problem yet, so I would say no.

The fix was released and modified airframes approved to carry cargo and passengers in mid December, https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/12 ... assengers/ I expect every subsequent delivery has the new locks.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:07 pm

Ozair wrote:
Galaxy5007 wrote:
kc135topboom wrote:


From what I've heard, there hasn't been a fix to the problem yet, so I would say no.

The fix was released and modified airframes approved to carry cargo and passengers in mid December, https://www.defensenews.com/air/2019/12 ... assengers/ I expect every subsequent delivery has the new locks.


I missed that news. Regardless, the way they are currently pumping them out, there is no way the last few jets have had the modification. There was only 4 completed at the time of the article nearly a month ago, so I would guess they are working on getting more kits and fixing the already delivered aircraft first. Perhaps future deliveries will have the fix already, but I highly doubt they've already incorporated it into the process of delivery of the last half dozen jets
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 Production and Delivery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 5:21 pm

Based on the weight of this issue,, Boeing's change incorporation board would have allocated the incoming hardware between the production line, the undelivered planes and the delivered ones. However the delivered fleet will require a service bulletin to be written and approved so they may actually take longer. fixing this is not a simple matter of just shipping parts and installing them. Most likely the Aorforce will be doing the post delivery rework as the service bulletin will allow them "X" amount of hours and expenses.

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