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A400M Update Thread 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:54 pm

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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:56 pm

At Christmas, the 100th aerial refueling mission of an A400M during Operation Counter Daesh was flown in the Middle East.
https://twitter.com/Team_Luftwaffe/stat ... 9399339009 (German)

The A400M's versatility in the tanker, tactical and logistical roles proved useful after the recent events in Iraq, when the German aircraft (54+22) that was on location in Al Azraq/Jordan as aerial refueller for fast jets, evacuated 32 German soldiers from Taji/Iraq and took them back to Germany.

According to one of the pilots, the night-time evacuation from Taji took place in a threat situation, and they landed after a fast and steep approach. The aircraft didn't spend more than nine minutes on the ground to collect 32 soldiers before it took off again to Al Azraq. The same aircraft has returned to Germany with the soldiers temporarily evacuated from Iraq.
https://twitter.com/Bw_Einsatz/status/1 ... 1559222272 (German)
https://twitter.com/Team_Luftwaffe/stat ... 2958559238 (German)
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:37 pm

Wow, check out this air drop video with a Spanish A400M: https://twitter.com/AgueraMartin/status ... 0708028416
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:03 pm

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Wow, check out this air drop video with a Spanish A400M: https://twitter.com/AgueraMartin/status ... 0708028416

Crazy, must have been packed inside like sardines before the jump.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:41 pm

Ozair wrote:
PepeTheFrog wrote:
Wow, check out this air drop video with a Spanish A400M: https://twitter.com/AgueraMartin/status ... 0708028416

Crazy, must have been packed inside like sardines before the jump.

Packed as designed actually, 114 paratroopers jumped for 116 troop seat.
http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es/EA/ej ... -del-Aire/

Dumb question, sorry. They jump from the ramp, paratrooper doors are only certified for 80, 40x2 (116 soon). In operation, what's the difference to jump from ramp or side doors ? The use of static line ?
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:05 am

Grizzly410 wrote:
Ozair wrote:
PepeTheFrog wrote:
Wow, check out this air drop video with a Spanish A400M: https://twitter.com/AgueraMartin/status ... 0708028416

Crazy, must have been packed inside like sardines before the jump.

Packed as designed actually, 114 paratroopers jumped for 116 troop seat.
http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es/EA/ej ... -del-Aire/

Dumb question, sorry. They jump from the ramp, paratrooper doors are only certified for 80, 40x2 (116 soon). In operation, what's the difference to jump from ramp or side doors ? The use of static line ?
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... patch.html


Paratrooper doors with a static line are usually at a lower altitude, below 10,000'. Ramp jump is usually for HALO jumps.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sun Jan 26, 2020 3:52 am

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Wow, check out this air drop video with a Spanish A400M: https://twitter.com/AgueraMartin/status ... 0708028416


They dive out so gracefully, then whack, they hit the air stream :wideeyed:
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:28 am

Hopefully this is the year that Airbus can get all the kinks worked out and get on track with the final certifications that need done.

For the most part, it seems the engine issues have been addressed. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of reports for the past year.

There hasn't been much at all about the low level, collision avoidance, and terrain following capabilities. So can one assume these are good to go?

It seems the major issues to be addressed now are the helicopter refueling and the paratrooper side doors. All of which have been worked on for some time. I imagine good progress is being made with the refueling since the tests began in September last year.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:22 am

Slug71 wrote:
Hopefully this is the year that Airbus can get all the kinks worked out and get on track with the final certifications that need done.

For the most part, it seems the engine issues have been addressed. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of reports for the past year.

There hasn't been much at all about the low level, collision avoidance, and terrain following capabilities. So can one assume these are good to go?

It seems the major issues to be addressed now are the helicopter refueling and the paratrooper side doors. All of which have been worked on for some time. I imagine good progress is being made with the refueling since the tests began in September last year.


Paratrooper side door jump envelope to be extended from 40x2 to 58x2 soon, Helicopter refuel dry contacts done with H225, wet contact trials flight tests very soon, IRC certification flights planned before summer.
MSN56 is working hard on low level flight and associated features certification, but I believe these capabilities are to be delivered in a later year.
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:32 pm

Grizzly410 wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
Hopefully this is the year that Airbus can get all the kinks worked out and get on track with the final certifications that need done.

For the most part, it seems the engine issues have been addressed. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of reports for the past year.

There hasn't been much at all about the low level, collision avoidance, and terrain following capabilities. So can one assume these are good to go?

It seems the major issues to be addressed now are the helicopter refueling and the paratrooper side doors. All of which have been worked on for some time. I imagine good progress is being made with the refueling since the tests began in September last year.


Paratrooper side door jump envelope to be extended from 40x2 to 58x2 soon, Helicopter refuel dry contacts done with H225, wet contact trials flight tests very soon, IRC certification flights planned before summer.
MSN56 is working hard on low level flight and associated features certification, but I believe these capabilities are to be delivered in a later year.


Thanks for the updates. Do you know how the proximity tests with the H160 went?
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:49 am

Slug71 wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
Hopefully this is the year that Airbus can get all the kinks worked out and get on track with the final certifications that need done.

For the most part, it seems the engine issues have been addressed. There doesn't seem to be much in the way of reports for the past year.

There hasn't been much at all about the low level, collision avoidance, and terrain following capabilities. So can one assume these are good to go?

It seems the major issues to be addressed now are the helicopter refueling and the paratrooper side doors. All of which have been worked on for some time. I imagine good progress is being made with the refueling since the tests began in September last year.


Paratrooper side door jump envelope to be extended from 40x2 to 58x2 soon, Helicopter refuel dry contacts done with H225, wet contact trials flight tests very soon, IRC certification flights planned before summer.
MSN56 is working hard on low level flight and associated features certification, but I believe these capabilities are to be delivered in a later year.


Thanks for the updates. Do you know how the proximity tests with the H160 went?


Unfortunately nothing more than "no issue has been reported."
Last week the pods have been installed on MSN4 and then it flew to Istres, I suspect we'll know more soon !
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:33 am

Grizzly410 wrote:
Slug71 wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:

Paratrooper side door jump envelope to be extended from 40x2 to 58x2 soon, Helicopter refuel dry contacts done with H225, wet contact trials flight tests very soon, IRC certification flights planned before summer.
MSN56 is working hard on low level flight and associated features certification, but I believe these capabilities are to be delivered in a later year.


Thanks for the updates. Do you know how the proximity tests with the H160 went?


Unfortunately nothing more than "no issue has been reported."
Last week the pods have been installed on MSN4 and then it flew to Istres, I suspect we'll know more soon !


Good news. Thanks for the updates!
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 11:12 pm

Another year another financial hit on Airbus for the A400M. Good at least to see perhaps some rational realistic discussion may be had on the export potential…

Airbus takes hit as A400M faces export hurdles

Airbus incurred a fresh €1.2 billion ($1.3 billion) charge against its A400M tactical transport programme in the fourth quarter of 2019, having “reassessed its assumptions on future export deliveries”.

Detailing the development in a full-year results announcement on 13 February, Airbus says: “While the rebaselining of the A400M programme was completed and significant progress has been made on technical capabilities, the outlook is increasingly challenging on exports during the launch contract phase, also in light of the repeatedly extended German export ban to Saudi Arabia.”

Airbus chief executive Guillaume Faury describes the German government’s action as creating “significant headwinds on export”, and says the company is “awaiting clarification” regarding its potential further impact.

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https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/ai ... 39.article
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:35 pm

Ozair wrote:
Another year another financial hit on Airbus for the A400M. Good at least to see perhaps some rational realistic discussion may be had on the export potential…

Airbus takes hit as A400M faces export hurdles

Airbus incurred a fresh €1.2 billion ($1.3 billion) charge against its A400M tactical transport programme in the fourth quarter of 2019, having “reassessed its assumptions on future export deliveries”.

Detailing the development in a full-year results announcement on 13 February, Airbus says: “While the rebaselining of the A400M programme was completed and significant progress has been made on technical capabilities, the outlook is increasingly challenging on exports during the launch contract phase, also in light of the repeatedly extended German export ban to Saudi Arabia.”

Airbus chief executive Guillaume Faury describes the German government’s action as creating “significant headwinds on export”, and says the company is “awaiting clarification” regarding its potential further impact.

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https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/ai ... 39.article

So the German government is blocking potential sales of the A400M to Saudi Arabia for political reasons. Yet, during the contract renegotiations the same German government takes a very hard line and is uncompromising. They have at certain times reduced their orders or threatened to do so and have had the most difficulties with introducing the A400M to service.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 5:47 am

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Airbus chief executive Guillaume Faury describes the German government’s action as creating “significant headwinds on export”, and says the company is “awaiting clarification” regarding its potential further impact.

Seems he has gotten clarification on the undocumented use of 'consultants' to help sell military products around the globe which may be adding to the headwinds issue.
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:12 am

There's a recent video in pilot's eye style that follows a logistical transport flight (soldiers, luggage, light cargo) from Germany to Jordan and back: https://youtu.be/B1sxGuHqbKI
Approximately 5 hours flight time @ FL350 each way, though the video was shortened to 55 minutes.
Plenty of cockpit views, ATC recordings, as well as of the cargo hold and pre-/postflight. The entire commentary is in German, though, so you might want to turn sound off.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:31 am

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There's a recent video in pilot's eye style that follows a logistical transport flight (soldiers, luggage, light cargo) from Germany to Jordan and back: https://youtu.be/B1sxGuHqbKI
Approximately 5 hours flight time @ FL350 each way, though the video was shortened to 55 minutes.
Plenty of cockpit views, ATC recordings, as well as of the cargo hold and pre-/postflight. The entire commentary is in German, though, so you might want to turn sound off.

Interesting video, thanks for posting. Do you or anyone else know if there is an internal spall liner option available for the A400?
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:56 am

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Interesting video, thanks for posting. Do you or anyone else know if there is an internal spall liner option available for the A400?

I've seen some add-on light arms protection mats for the cockpit crew (available on all Airbus products upon customer request IIRC) but nothing comparable for the cargo / passenger compartments. Whether there is armor already integrated into the structure, I don't know. The fuselage is equipped with a propeller ice shield (like all turboprops), though.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:59 pm

mxaxai wrote:
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Interesting video, thanks for posting. Do you or anyone else know if there is an internal spall liner option available for the A400?

I've seen some add-on light arms protection mats for the cockpit crew (available on all Airbus products upon customer request IIRC) but nothing comparable for the cargo / passenger compartments. Whether there is armor already integrated into the structure, I don't know. The fuselage is equipped with a propeller ice shield (like all turboprops), though.


Mxaxai answer guide me but not sure exactly what you mean by “internal spall liner”…
Is it about additional protections, armouring ? In which case there is only an armouring kit for the cockpit and loadmaster workstation, ~1000 kg added weight.
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:40 pm

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mxaxai wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Interesting video, thanks for posting. Do you or anyone else know if there is an internal spall liner option available for the A400?

I've seen some add-on light arms protection mats for the cockpit crew (available on all Airbus products upon customer request IIRC) but nothing comparable for the cargo / passenger compartments. Whether there is armor already integrated into the structure, I don't know. The fuselage is equipped with a propeller ice shield (like all turboprops), though.


Mxaxai answer guide me but not sure exactly what you mean by “internal spall liner”…
Is it about additional protections, armouring ? In which case there is only an armouring kit for the cockpit and loadmaster workstation, ~1000 kg added weight.

Thanks Mxaxai. I wouldn't expect any internal armour in the structure, apart from perhaps a few key critical areas, given it would be carried for the 95% of missions where it wasn't required

Yes Grizzly410 I am talking about a spall liner than is fitted to the inside of the cargo bay of the aircraft. C-130s I have flown in have had them fitted. Essentially as Mxaxai stated it is small arms armour protection outside of the crew areas. Watching the video triggered the question of whether the aircraft was fitted with it, or if the option was available, when operating into Afghanistan, Mali etc. Noting the armour kit for the cockpit and loadmaster station I expect a cargo bay spall liner for the A400M would be a third party item similar to other armour kits on comparable transport aircraft.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:01 am

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Watching the video triggered the question of whether the aircraft was fitted with it, or if the option was available, when operating into Afghanistan, Mali etc. Noting the armour kit for the cockpit and loadmaster station I expect a cargo bay spall liner for the A400M would be a third party item similar to other armour kits on comparable transport aircraft.

Your mention of third party kits got me searching what the Luftwaffe uses for their C-160. Garant Protection AG, from Germany, has supplied ballistic protection mats for them: https://garant-protection.com/en/armouring
They also claim to have developed and supplied armor kits for the A400M and C-130 but it's a bit unclear to whom and in what quantities. Not sure if this is their actual product on the Hercules or just a stock photo:
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:28 pm

Interesting that an Airbus owned A400M is delivering the face masks and not a Spanish Air Force A400M?

Spanish MoD drafts in A400M to deliver masks

The Spanish Ministry of Defence (MoD) has utilised an Airbus-owned and operated A400M transport aircraft to deliver face masks to help combat the coronavirus.

The airlift, which took place the day prior to Airbus' announcement on 24 March, saw aircraft MSN56 fly "thousands" of masks from the company's Toulouse headquarters in southern France to Getafe Air Base near Madrid, in Spain.

As noted by Airbus, the masks which were part of a consignment of two million delivered to Europe from China, are destined for use in the Spanish health system.

"This air-bridge will enable the delivery of a significant supply of masks to the Spanish public health network in support of current Covid-19 crisis efforts. This comes on top of donations by Airbus in recent days to provide thousands of masks to hospitals and public services around Europe. The company will continue to provide support with additional flights planned to take place in the coming days in co-ordination with national authorities," the company said in a statement.

News of the A400M airlift came five days after Airbus confirmed to Jane's that it was one of a number of aerospace and automotive companies that had responded to the UK government's call to develop and build ventilators to help cope with the worsening coronavirus pandemic.

"These are unprecedented times and Airbus will help where it can. Our engineers and technology teams in France, Germany, Spain, and the UK are investigating the practicalities of how we might best support the design, manufacturing, and assembly of critical medical equipment," Airbus told Jane's on 19 March.

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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:29 am

Ozair wrote:
Interesting that an Airbus owned A400M is delivering the face masks and not a Spanish Air Force A400M?

This is what the original Airbus press release says (bold text highlighted by me):

The cargo is part of the approximately 2 million masks transported over the weekend by a test Airbus A330-800 aircraft from Tianjin, China, to Europe.

This air-bridge will enable the delivery of a significant supply of masks to the Spanish public health network in support of current COVID-19 crisis efforts. This comes on top of donations by Airbus in recent days to provide thousands of masks to hospitals and public services around Europe. The Company will continue to support with additional flights planned to take place in the coming days in coordination with national authorities.

I wouldn't expect the Spanish Air Force to complete donations by Airbus. A military transport aircraft like the A400M isn't even required for that kind of cargo.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:16 am

Noray wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Interesting that an Airbus owned A400M is delivering the face masks and not a Spanish Air Force A400M?

This is what the original Airbus press release says (bold text highlighted by me):

The cargo is part of the approximately 2 million masks transported over the weekend by a test Airbus A330-800 aircraft from Tianjin, China, to Europe.

This air-bridge will enable the delivery of a significant supply of masks to the Spanish public health network in support of current COVID-19 crisis efforts. This comes on top of donations by Airbus in recent days to provide thousands of masks to hospitals and public services around Europe. The Company will continue to support with additional flights planned to take place in the coming days in coordination with national authorities.

I wouldn't expect the Spanish Air Force to complete donations by Airbus. A military transport aircraft like the A400M isn't even required for that kind of cargo.

Makes sense, it wasn't clear to me from the Janes article that the masks were also being donated by Airbus and not just the cargo space.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:26 am

Noray wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Interesting that an Airbus owned A400M is delivering the face masks and not a Spanish Air Force A400M?

This is what the original Airbus press release says (bold text highlighted by me):

The cargo is part of the approximately 2 million masks transported over the weekend by a test Airbus A330-800 aircraft from Tianjin, China, to Europe.

This air-bridge will enable the delivery of a significant supply of masks to the Spanish public health network in support of current COVID-19 crisis efforts. This comes on top of donations by Airbus in recent days to provide thousands of masks to hospitals and public services around Europe. The Company will continue to support with additional flights planned to take place in the coming days in coordination with national authorities.

I wouldn't expect the Spanish Air Force to complete donations by Airbus. A military transport aircraft like the A400M isn't even required for that kind of cargo.

No, but a military airlifter is closer to the ground, and is easier and quicker to load and unload. Either drive a forklift directly onto the aircraft and pull the pallets off that way, or if you do have K-loader, it's a faster process.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

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ThePointblank wrote:
Noray wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Interesting that an Airbus owned A400M is delivering the face masks and not a Spanish Air Force A400M?

This is what the original Airbus press release says (bold text highlighted by me):

The cargo is part of the approximately 2 million masks transported over the weekend by a test Airbus A330-800 aircraft from Tianjin, China, to Europe.

This air-bridge will enable the delivery of a significant supply of masks to the Spanish public health network in support of current COVID-19 crisis efforts. This comes on top of donations by Airbus in recent days to provide thousands of masks to hospitals and public services around Europe. The Company will continue to support with additional flights planned to take place in the coming days in coordination with national authorities.

I wouldn't expect the Spanish Air Force to complete donations by Airbus. A military transport aircraft like the A400M isn't even required for that kind of cargo.

No, but a military airlifter is closer to the ground, and is easier and quicker to load and unload. Either drive a forklift directly onto the aircraft and pull the pallets off that way, or if you do have K-loader, it's a faster process.


In this case the A/C to transport from Toulouse to Spain was chosen more by availability than anything else. Quick load/unload and forklift wasn't a criteria as the boxes were loaded bulk. Not paletized.
I've seen picture on tweeter of the A330-800 loaded, the FTE workstation surrounded by mask boxes pilled up in bulk, and also the A400M offload with guys lifting boxes one by one.

Edit : Searching for the twits I come across picture of boxes paletized in A400M cargo bay, a forklift BUT boxes stored bulk behind the A/C, and people lifting one by one :confused:
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:29 pm

The german air force is preparing / using two of their A400M and a C-160 to transport ICU patients from Italy to Germany, in addition to their dedicated medevac A310. Each aircraft (at least the A310 and A400M) can take on up to 6 ICU patients, whereas the Italian coutnerpart can handle only two patients. https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland ... hland.html http://www.tagesschau.de/newsticker/liv ... g-101.html [in German]
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:14 pm

A Spanish Air Force A400M currently is in Shanghai to load more medical equipment.
https://twitter.com/EjercitoAire/status ... 7532422145
 
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Question for the thread resident here :lol: :mischievous:

Recently a German A400M took 2 serious COVID-19 cases from france to germany in an MEDEVAC configuration, a french aerospace/defense reporter (Jean Do Merchet) asked if France had A400M MEDEVAC capacity too n their A400M and so far nobody provided him evidence the french A400M had this capability enabled...

I know every A400M have everything avail in the cargo to fit a medevac kit (power, oxy outlets for example), but I'm sure such kit isn't delivered with the A/C itself.
France have other way to perform the role, like the A330MRTT Phenix in MORPHEE config https://www.defense.gouv.fr/content/dow ... nix_BD.pdf)
Is it possibleFrance cannot MEDEVAC in A400M now just because it prioritize the MRTT for this role and it will be enabled at some point anyway on A400M ?
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:11 am

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Is it possible France cannot MEDEVAC in A400M now just because it prioritize the MRTT for this role and it will be enabled at some point anyway on A400M ?

Quite possible they haven't gone through the certification yet for AME but the MRTT already has. Clearly as you say the aircraft is capable of it and likely they could do it if necessary but don't yet have the approvals or enough staff trained for A400M operations. In the same way the aircrew would need to be trained for multiple other specific roles such as AAR and paradrop.

For example, the Spanish when introducing the A400M start with logistics roles and then moved on to tactical work.

Qualification training takes three months and is carried out at Seville. According to Capt. Guerrero: “The pilot goes on to manage the cockpit more than to fly the aircraft. You have a lot of work on the ground to prepare the flight before departure. Flying at the logistics level (phase in which we are now) this is rather boring, on the tactical level sure that is more fun".

https://www.milavia.net/specials/spanis ... rst-a400m/
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:25 am

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A Spanish Air Force A400M currently is in Shanghai to load more medical equipment.
https://twitter.com/EjercitoAire/status ... 7532422145


Noray wrote:
A military transport aircraft like the A400M isn't even required for that kind of cargo.

Good to see Spain using the A400M no matter the cargo. Do we know where the A400M was going to fuel stop on the way given the distance between Shanghai and Madrid is greater than the range of the aircraft?
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:40 am

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Is it possibleFrance cannot MEDEVAC in A400M now just because it prioritize the MRTT for this role and it will be enabled at some point anyway on A400M ?

The ICAE units on German A400M were developed specifically at the request of the Luftwaffe, and only they have ordered them so far. It is my understanding that Germany maintains this special capability as part of NATO and EU forces.
https://www.bmvg.de/de/aktuelles/a400m- ... tion-26564

Germany has kits to convert four A400M into flying ICU's, although only one is always on standby and a second one was fitted last week. These kits need to be properly installed, it's not a fast change. Airbus was said to be working on a palletized solution but without a customer there won't be any rapid progress.
The aircraft needs to be certified for these installations (although that's mostly paperwork now), and the medical crew on the aircraft needs to be trained in using the equipment on this specific aircraft type. The Luftwaffe put up a video of such a training flight fairly recently: https://youtu.be/7XvG_Kq2XSc [commentary in German]

Germany does have a medevac A310 with the same role / capability as France's A330. Before Germany got the A400M, the plan for combat evacuation was to find a nearby field sufficient for a C-160 or a helo, then use that to bring the wounded to a nearby airport and transfer them onto the long-range A310 for transport to a proper hospital. It is possible that the French have comparable kits for their C-130 or C-235 fleets; alternatively they would have to airlift patients by helicopter to an airfield that is large enough for an A330. They've brought several COVID patients to Germany and Luxembourg by helo in the past days.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:59 pm

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Is it possibleFrance cannot MEDEVAC in A400M now just because it prioritize the MRTT for this role and it will be enabled at some point anyway on A400M ?

Don't know about their plans for the future, but according to the government website, France is using various aircraft in that role, including several Falcons.

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Noray wrote:
A Spanish Air Force A400M currently is in Shanghai to load more medical equipment.
https://twitter.com/EjercitoAire/status ... 7532422145


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A military transport aircraft like the A400M isn't even required for that kind of cargo.

Good to see Spain using the A400M no matter the cargo. Do we know where the A400M was going to fuel stop on the way given the distance between Shanghai and Madrid is greater than the range of the aircraft?

The Twitter video in my post shows that this time, the cargo was distributed to eight or nine pallets that make optimal use of the aircraft's cargo bay.

There was one stop on the outbound flight (Yekaterinburg, Russia), and two on the return flight (Novosibirsk, Russia and Riga, Latvia. Locations according to FlightAware data posted to Twitter).
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:12 pm

Airbus have paused production in Spain including the A400M. Given almost all A400M customers are European anyway there shouldn't be that much of an impact to this shutdown. It is also expected to be temporary and restart again on the 9th of April although I'm not sure how much work happens over Easter in Spain.

Airbus pauses Spanish production in line with royal decree

Airbus has temporarily closed its operations in Spain in line with a royal decree limiting movement and industrial activity in the country.

The move, announced by the company on 30 March, will see all non-essential work at its Spanish facilities cease until 9 April as the country’s government battles the coronavirus.

In terms of Airbus’ industrial footprint in Spain, this will most dramatically affect the Airbus Defence and Space (DS) CN235, C295 and A400M assembly lines in Seville in the south of the country, and the A300 MultiRole Tanker Transport (MRTT) conversion facility in Getafe, near Madrid. In addition, Airbus Helicopters’ NH90 and Tiger facilities will be similarly affected.

A spokesperson for Airbus DS told Jane’s that the company will continue to provide industrial support for its products that are operated by the Spanish military and police. “Essential work will continue, mainly in support of the Spanish Air Force operating C212, CN235, C295 and A400M military airplanes, and the Super Puma and NH90 helicopters. There are also H135 and H145 helicopters in use with the Guardia Civil, Police and emergency services,” the spokesperson said.

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https://www.janes.com/article/95190/cov ... yal-decree
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:51 pm

The autonomous motorised mobile crane equipment (CME) has been quailified and the first seven units have been delivered to the final assembly line. 121 aircraft are to be equipped with this optional item.
https://euro-sd.com/2020/04/news/16810/ ... for-a400m/

With its single-rail system, the CME is designed for independent loading and unloading of the A400M. Weights of up to five tonnes can be lifted and transported from the cargo hold to the apron (or vice versa). The CME is controlled by its remote control unit, which is connected to the interface of a panel located in the rear cargo hold of the aircraft.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:08 pm

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Question for the thread resident here :lol: :mischievous:

Recently a German A400M took 2 serious COVID-19 cases from france to germany in an MEDEVAC configuration, a french aerospace/defense reporter (Jean Do Merchet) asked if France had A400M MEDEVAC capacity too n their A400M and so far nobody provided him evidence the french A400M had this capability enabled...

I know every A400M have everything avail in the cargo to fit a medevac kit (power, oxy outlets for example), but I'm sure such kit isn't delivered with the A/C itself.
France have other way to perform the role, like the A330MRTT Phenix in MORPHEE config https://www.defense.gouv.fr/content/dow ... nix_BD.pdf)
Is it possibleFrance cannot MEDEVAC in A400M now just because it prioritize the MRTT for this role and it will be enabled at some point anyway on A400M ?

With some help from the British Defense Equipement and Support, the French DGA has quickly provided adapters that allow the use of intensive care modules in French A400Ms. They can now transport four Covid-19 patients in one A400M flight.
https://twitter.com/DGA/status/1246143363570638848
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:47 am

Noray wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
Question for the thread resident here :lol: :mischievous:

Recently a German A400M took 2 serious COVID-19 cases from france to germany in an MEDEVAC configuration, a french aerospace/defense reporter (Jean Do Merchet) asked if France had A400M MEDEVAC capacity too n their A400M and so far nobody provided him evidence the french A400M had this capability enabled...

I know every A400M have everything avail in the cargo to fit a medevac kit (power, oxy outlets for example), but I'm sure such kit isn't delivered with the A/C itself.
France have other way to perform the role, like the A330MRTT Phenix in MORPHEE config https://www.defense.gouv.fr/content/dow ... nix_BD.pdf)
Is it possibleFrance cannot MEDEVAC in A400M now just because it prioritize the MRTT for this role and it will be enabled at some point anyway on A400M ?

With some help from the British Defense Equipement and Support, the French DGA has quickly provided adapters that allow the use of intensive care modules in French A400Ms. They can now transport four Covid-19 patients in one A400M flight.
https://twitter.com/DGA/status/1246143363570638848


Where do you see a reference to British defense in you link ?
It seems to be french DGA authorizing the french air force to use french SAMU (Service d'Aide Medicale d'Urgence) material to move french people between two french region... What Britain would have to do here ?

What I'm missing ?
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:34 am

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Where do you see a reference to British defense in you link ?
It seems to be french DGA authorizing the french air force to use french SAMU (Service d'Aide Medicale d'Urgence) material to move french people between two french region... What Britain would have to do here ?

What I'm missing ?

It's in the following post of that thread. https://twitter.com/DGA/status/1246143368666767363

La DGA a commandé au #SIAé des adaptateurs permettant d’accrocher les modules de soins intensifs au plancher de l’A400M. Le modèle de ces adaptateurs a été fourni à la DGA par son homologue #britannique la Defense Equipement and Support @DefenceES
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:51 am

Noray wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
Where do you see a reference to British defense in you link ?
It seems to be french DGA authorizing the french air force to use french SAMU (Service d'Aide Medicale d'Urgence) material to move french people between two french region... What Britain would have to do here ?

What I'm missing ?

It's in the following post of that thread. https://twitter.com/DGA/status/1246143368666767363

La DGA a commandé au #SIAé des adaptateurs permettant d’accrocher les modules de soins intensifs au plancher de l’A400M. Le modèle de ces adaptateurs a été fourni à la DGA par son homologue #britannique la Defense Equipement and Support @DefenceES


Jaja thanks don't know why I didn't even think to scroll down! Getting old!
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:18 pm

Luxembourg's only ordered A400M has flown and will be tested before delivery later this year. It will be operated in a joint unit with Belgium's aircraft.

Luxembourg’s A400M completes 5h debut flight

Luxembourg’s lone A400M tactical transport made a 5h flight debut from Airbus Defence & Space’s San Pablo final assembly site in Seville, Spain, on 13 April.

The Europrop International TP400-D6-powered airlifter (MSN104/CT-01) is scheduled to be delivered before the end of the second quarter of this year, its manufacturer says.

Once operational, the Luxembourg-owned asset will be assigned to a joint unit also including the Belgian Air Component’s eventual seven-strong Atlas fleet.

...

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 69.article

Image from EDR online.
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Anyone know if this is the first aircraft for the joint fleet as it appears that Belgium has yet to receive its A400Ms?

Grizzly410, is a five hour debut flight standard?
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:46 pm

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Luxembourg's only ordered A400M has flown and will be tested before delivery later this year. It will be operated in a joint unit with Belgium's aircraft.

Luxembourg’s A400M completes 5h debut flight

Luxembourg’s lone A400M tactical transport made a 5h flight debut from Airbus Defence & Space’s San Pablo final assembly site in Seville, Spain, on 13 April.

The Europrop International TP400-D6-powered airlifter (MSN104/CT-01) is scheduled to be delivered before the end of the second quarter of this year, its manufacturer says.

Once operational, the Luxembourg-owned asset will be assigned to a joint unit also including the Belgian Air Component’s eventual seven-strong Atlas fleet.

...

https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 69.article

Image from EDR online.
Image

Anyone know if this is the first aircraft for the joint fleet as it appears that Belgium has yet to receive its A400Ms?

Grizzly410, is a five hour debut flight standard?


Yes it is standard for multi hour First Flights with the A400M. They usually go within the same Geographic area over and over again.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:11 pm

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Anyone know if this is the first aircraft for the joint fleet as it appears that Belgium has yet to receive its A400Ms?

Grizzly410, is a five hour debut flight standard?


You are right the Luxembourg one, MSN104, is coming first in the joint fleet. Belgian MSN106 and 109 aren't far away, though.

5h seems to me normal for a FF, if anything could be slightly shorter than usual given it flew close to Sevilla when they usually go over the Mediterranean sea.
https://twitter.com/AgueraMartin/status ... 30880?s=20

You got me curious, tomorrow I'll have a look to recent FF :lol:
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:54 pm

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Ozair wrote:
Anyone know if this is the first aircraft for the joint fleet as it appears that Belgium has yet to receive its A400Ms?

Grizzly410, is a five hour debut flight standard?


You are right the Luxembourg one, MSN104, is coming first in the joint fleet. Belgian MSN106 and 109 aren't far away, though.

5h seems to me normal for a FF, if anything could be slightly shorter than usual given it flew close to Sevilla when they usually go over the Mediterranean sea.
https://twitter.com/AgueraMartin/status ... 30880?s=20

You got me curious, tomorrow I'll have a look to recent FF :lol:

Thanks Grizzly410 and bspc.

I'm surprised at five hours being normal but that isn't based on anything other than my own expectations (and lack of knowledge of large aircraft testing) so appreciate any additional info or confirmation you have.
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 5:40 pm

Ozair wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Anyone know if this is the first aircraft for the joint fleet as it appears that Belgium has yet to receive its A400Ms?

Grizzly410, is a five hour debut flight standard?


You are right the Luxembourg one, MSN104, is coming first in the joint fleet. Belgian MSN106 and 109 aren't far away, though.

5h seems to me normal for a FF, if anything could be slightly shorter than usual given it flew close to Sevilla when they usually go over the Mediterranean sea.
https://twitter.com/AgueraMartin/status ... 30880?s=20

You got me curious, tomorrow I'll have a look to recent FF :lol:

Thanks Grizzly410 and bspc.

I'm surprised at five hours being normal but that isn't based on anything other than my own expectations (and lack of knowledge of large aircraft testing) so appreciate any additional info or confirmation you have.

5h seemed to me normal and it appears that’s very close to the average! :)
The last 10 FF have an 5h10 average flight time even counting the short MSN099 FF of 2h40 (must have canceled after an issue preventing the full FF testing).

It’s a long flight because there is much to do, simplifying a lot :
During the climb all standard system are checked in various mode. Flights control, autoflight, navigation, communication, air cond……
Level at FL3xx, specific checks at altitude : fuel Xfer, APU start, Engine param, air cond, anti-ice, perfo at high MACH
Enjoy descent to overspeed a bit
Than various level, short time at FL200 playing with fuel, ramp, and checking perfo. ~FL100 at low speed and various config, LG ext&retract, ramp and PT door opening.
Finally 3 approach in various mode, ILS, Tactical, Emergency….
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:19 pm

Grizzly410 wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:

You are right the Luxembourg one, MSN104, is coming first in the joint fleet. Belgian MSN106 and 109 aren't far away, though.

5h seems to me normal for a FF, if anything could be slightly shorter than usual given it flew close to Sevilla when they usually go over the Mediterranean sea.
https://twitter.com/AgueraMartin/status ... 30880?s=20

You got me curious, tomorrow I'll have a look to recent FF :lol:

Thanks Grizzly410 and bspc.

I'm surprised at five hours being normal but that isn't based on anything other than my own expectations (and lack of knowledge of large aircraft testing) so appreciate any additional info or confirmation you have.

5h seemed to me normal and it appears that’s very close to the average! :)
The last 10 FF have an 5h10 average flight time even counting the short MSN099 FF of 2h40 (must have canceled after an issue preventing the full FF testing).

It’s a long flight because there is much to do, simplifying a lot :
During the climb all standard system are checked in various mode. Flights control, autoflight, navigation, communication, air cond……
Level at FL3xx, specific checks at altitude : fuel Xfer, APU start, Engine param, air cond, anti-ice, perfo at high MACH
Enjoy descent to overspeed a bit
Than various level, short time at FL200 playing with fuel, ramp, and checking perfo. ~FL100 at low speed and various config, LG ext&retract, ramp and PT door opening.
Finally 3 approach in various mode, ILS, Tactical, Emergency….

Thanks! You also anticipated my next question with a review of what they actually test. Is that the only test flight before delivery or are there a few more?
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:59 am

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Grizzly410 wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Thanks Grizzly410 and bspc.

I'm surprised at five hours being normal but that isn't based on anything other than my own expectations (and lack of knowledge of large aircraft testing) so appreciate any additional info or confirmation you have.

5h seemed to me normal and it appears that’s very close to the average! :)
The last 10 FF have an 5h10 average flight time even counting the short MSN099 FF of 2h40 (must have canceled after an issue preventing the full FF testing).

It’s a long flight because there is much to do, simplifying a lot :
During the climb all standard system are checked in various mode. Flights control, autoflight, navigation, communication, air cond……
Level at FL3xx, specific checks at altitude : fuel Xfer, APU start, Engine param, air cond, anti-ice, perfo at high MACH
Enjoy descent to overspeed a bit
Than various level, short time at FL200 playing with fuel, ramp, and checking perfo. ~FL100 at low speed and various config, LG ext&retract, ramp and PT door opening.
Finally 3 approach in various mode, ILS, Tactical, Emergency….

Thanks! You also anticipated my next question with a review of what they actually test. Is that the only test flight before delivery or are there a few more?


The first flight is the final assembly check, once checklist complete the aircraft is out of the FAL and goes to delivery.
Should be a single flight but have to repeat if checklist isn't complete for whatever reason. It's a milestone where nothing can be postponed and checked later.

Then, in Delivery, there is at least one Customer Acceptance flight, operated by a mixed crew : Airbus+Customer.
I don't know how it's negotiated moneywise but customer sometimes request various flight, to check technical snag discovered during first CA flight possibly but more often to check various config. With or without pods, armouring kit, cargo tanks, crane...

There is nearly never more than two production flight.
It obviously varies much more for customer flight, which are technical but also a bit "political". It's usually between one and three flights.
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:28 pm

Grizzly410 wrote:
Ozair wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
5h seemed to me normal and it appears that’s very close to the average! :)
The last 10 FF have an 5h10 average flight time even counting the short MSN099 FF of 2h40 (must have canceled after an issue preventing the full FF testing).

It’s a long flight because there is much to do, simplifying a lot :
During the climb all standard system are checked in various mode. Flights control, autoflight, navigation, communication, air cond……
Level at FL3xx, specific checks at altitude : fuel Xfer, APU start, Engine param, air cond, anti-ice, perfo at high MACH
Enjoy descent to overspeed a bit
Than various level, short time at FL200 playing with fuel, ramp, and checking perfo. ~FL100 at low speed and various config, LG ext&retract, ramp and PT door opening.
Finally 3 approach in various mode, ILS, Tactical, Emergency….

Thanks! You also anticipated my next question with a review of what they actually test. Is that the only test flight before delivery or are there a few more?


The first flight is the final assembly check, once checklist complete the aircraft is out of the FAL and goes to delivery.
Should be a single flight but have to repeat if checklist isn't complete for whatever reason. It's a milestone where nothing can be postponed and checked later.

Then, in Delivery, there is at least one Customer Acceptance flight, operated by a mixed crew : Airbus+Customer.
I don't know how it's negotiated moneywise but customer sometimes request various flight, to check technical snag discovered during first CA flight possibly but more often to check various config. With or without pods, armouring kit, cargo tanks, crane...

There is nearly never more than two production flight.
It obviously varies much more for customer flight, which are technical but also a bit "political". It's usually between one and three flights.

Thanks again Grizzly410, some great info!
 
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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 11:24 pm

The certification of automatic low-level flight under visual meteorological conditions has now been achieved. Automatic low-level flight under instrument meteorological conditions is expected to be certified in the second quarter of 2021.

A400M wins certification for automatic low-level flight

Inherent to the fighter aircraft world, and as a unique capability for a military transport aircraft, automatic low-level flight improves the A400M’s terrain masking and survivability, making the aircraft less detectable in hostile areas and less susceptible to threats when cruising towards key military operations like aerial delivery, air-to-air refuelling, logistic or other specific special operations


While the French forces recently have allowed the operational release of 30 paratroopers through a single side door, the CQC (international Certification and Qualification Committee for the A400M) is already two steps further. On 14 May 2020 it announced that simultaneous jumps out of both side doors have been certified for up to 116 paratroopers, which is the A400M's full capacity.

France will receive the first new machine with the new capabilities in the beginning of 2021. By summer of that year, five more French A400Ms are to be retrofitted to that standard, according to the French Direction générale de l’armement (DGA). Nouvelles certifications militaires pour l’avion de transport A400M Atlas (French)
 
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Sun May 31, 2020 9:08 am

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The certification of automatic low-level flight under visual meteorological conditions has now been achieved. Automatic low-level flight under instrument meteorological conditions is expected to be certified in the second quarter of 2021.

A400M wins certification for automatic low-level flight

Inherent to the fighter aircraft world, and as a unique capability for a military transport aircraft, automatic low-level flight improves the A400M’s terrain masking and survivability, making the aircraft less detectable in hostile areas and less susceptible to threats when cruising towards key military operations like aerial delivery, air-to-air refuelling, logistic or other specific special operations


While the French forces recently have allowed the operational release of 30 paratroopers through a single side door, the CQC (international Certification and Qualification Committee for the A400M) is already two steps further. On 14 May 2020 it announced that simultaneous jumps out of both side doors have been certified for up to 116 paratroopers, which is the A400M's full capacity.

France will receive the first new machine with the new capabilities in the beginning of 2021. By summer of that year, five more French A400Ms are to be retrofitted to that standard, according to the French Direction générale de l’armement (DGA). Nouvelles certifications militaires pour l’avion de transport A400M Atlas (French)


Interesting. The minimum allowable height/ speed is determined by the available detailed terrain information, aircraft performance, residual performance after a sudden engine failure, actual aircraft weight, temperature, wind, etc. In combination with FBW and flight envelope protection. A lot of info and modelling. As said a lot of knowledge available already from low level attack aircraft like Tornado.

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Re: A400M Update Thread 2020

Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:03 am

FG has picked this up also. Maximum of 116 paratroopers can now be deployed, 58 from each side door:

https://www.flightglobal.com/defence/a4 ... 70.article

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