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USAF E-11A plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 9:57 am

Just seen this on twitter:

https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1221733519208198145?s=20

Hope everyone on board is fine if true.
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:04 am

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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:10 am

RT confirms the plane has crashed, no details on the aircraft model or where it was flying.

https://www.rt.com/news/479281-ariana-a ... s-crashes/
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:12 am

It appears to be JY-JAL, a 31 year old B767 flying the route Kabul-Herat that disappeared from radar at an altitude of 26,000 ft about 13 minutes after take-off. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#23a9d7fa

Taliban shootdown?
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:19 am

It was a B737-400, almost 30 years old. The flight was from Herat to Kabul

https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/12 ... 22400?s=20
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:23 am

aerobus12 wrote:
It appears to be JY-JAL, a 31 year old B767 flying the route Kabul-Herat that disappeared from radar at an altitude of 26,000 ft about 13 minutes after take-off. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#23a9d7fa

Taliban shootdown?


Did Jordan Aviation wet lease the aircraft to Ariana? Some people are saying it was a B737-400
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:26 am

BBC news is reporting that Ariana now denied this is one of their aircraft.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51264744
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:27 am

According to the BBC Ariana denied that they lost a plane. However, Afghan officials have confirmed a plane crash. Strange, hope everyone is ok.

Passenger plane crashes in Afghanistan https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-51264744
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:30 am

aerobus12 wrote:
It appears to be JY-JAL, a 31 year old B767 flying the route Kabul-Herat that disappeared from radar at an altitude of 26,000 ft about 13 minutes after take-off. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#23a9d7fa

Taliban shootdown?

Hello,
The airliner you mention appears to belong to another airline, Jordan Aviation:
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-24239.htm

Ariana is currently not operating B767 aircraft and never did, according to my information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana_Afghan_Airlines
https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ariana%20Afghan%20Airlines.htm

It is likely that the involved aircraft is a B737 classic (-400 or -500) or possibly an A310-300.

It's probably way too early to speculate about the possible cause of the accident, unless you have better sources. In this case, please let us know.

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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:31 am

Reported that it crashed in the Sado Khel area of Deh Yak district of Ghazni province around 1:10 p.m. local time. A major Taliban controlled area. I imagine it will be very hard for the free press to get to the crash site.
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:35 am

piedmontf284000 wrote:
Reported that it crashed in the Sado Khel area of Deh Yak district of Ghazni province around 1:10 p.m. local time. A major Taliban controlled area. I imagine it will be very hard for the free press to get to the crash site.


Dear Piedmont,

Not only the free press will struggle to (and likely refrain from) accessing the crash site, but also investigators.
Let's still hope for survivors.

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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:36 am

hitower3 wrote:
aerobus12 wrote:
It appears to be JY-JAL, a 31 year old B767 flying the route Kabul-Herat that disappeared from radar at an altitude of 26,000 ft about 13 minutes after take-off. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#23a9d7fa

Taliban shootdown?

Hello,
The airliner you mention appears to belong to another airline, Jordan Aviation:
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-24239.htm

Ariana is currently not operating B767 aircraft and never did, according to my information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana_Afghan_Airlines
https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ariana%20Afghan%20Airlines.htm

It is likely that the involved aircraft is a B737 classic (-400 or -500) or possibly an A310-300.

It's probably way too early to speculate about the possible cause of the accident, unless you have better sources. In this case, please let us know.


Best regards,
Hendric




Although JY-JAL was operating a flight out of Kabul and it's FR24 track suddenly stops at 26,000ft not far from said crash site. Operated by Jordan Aviation but could be chartered to Ariana ? We'll find out soon enough.
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:39 am

hitower3 wrote:
piedmontf284000 wrote:
Reported that it crashed in the Sado Khel area of Deh Yak district of Ghazni province around 1:10 p.m. local time. A major Taliban controlled area. I imagine it will be very hard for the free press to get to the crash site.


Dear Piedmont,

Not only the free press will struggle to (and likely refrain from) accessing the crash site, but also investigators.
Let's still hope for survivors.

Hendric


The relation between the US, the afghan government and the taliban is actually getting better and there is a seized fire. Chances are they will allow investigators to the crash site as a sign of good will.
JannEejit wrote:
hitower3 wrote:
aerobus12 wrote:
It appears to be JY-JAL, a 31 year old B767 flying the route Kabul-Herat that disappeared from radar at an altitude of 26,000 ft about 13 minutes after take-off. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... l#23a9d7fa

Taliban shootdown?

Hello,
The airliner you mention appears to belong to another airline, Jordan Aviation:
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-24239.htm

Ariana is currently not operating B767 aircraft and never did, according to my information:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariana_Afghan_Airlines
https://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Ariana%20Afghan%20Airlines.htm

It is likely that the involved aircraft is a B737 classic (-400 or -500) or possibly an A310-300.

It's probably way too early to speculate about the possible cause of the accident, unless you have better sources. In this case, please let us know.


Best regards,
Hendric




Although JY-JAL was operating a flight out of Kabul and it's FR24 track suddenly stops at 26,000ft not far from said crash site. Operated by Jordan Aviation but could be chartered to Ariana ? We'll find out soon enough.


As mentioned above, Ariana denies a plane crash. It could very well be a plane from another airline.

If I look at FR24 I agree it is probably this plane. It is in theory not a Ariana plane, maybe that’s the reason the CEO denied a Ariana plane has crashed.
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:40 am

Ariana Airlines CEO denies that one of its planes has crashed.
A lot of confusion at this stage it seems. Lets hope its not a passenger plane.
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:46 am

It could very well be the 767 by Jordan Aviation that crashed. I had a look at the departures from Herat and it did fly from there to Kabul yesterday as FG252 which is Ariana Afghan Airlines, so apparently they're leasing it in some form and they also claimed they did not lose one of their own planes via BBC?

It did disappear from radar west from Kabul but it did not have any destination, which could be plenty of reasons why.

It cannot be a flight from Herat as the next scheduled 737 from there today leaves in two hours. Previous one was 07:00 this morning local time.

I'm purely speculating here based on the information avaliable on Flightradar and the information in this thread.
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:48 am

It's in that region of the world where news does not come all that immediately or clearly. Suddenly disappeared at that altitude though? Hate to say it, might have been a bomb.
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:53 am

Can the topic title perhaps change to “Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan” or something similar? Arina denies being involved.
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:54 am

Jouhou wrote:
It's in that region of the world where news does not come all that immediately or clearly. Suddenly disappeared at that altitude though? Hate to say it, might have been a bomb.

If an official from that region immediately announces it's mechanical, we'll have a pretty good idea of what it was.
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 10:58 am

PANAMsterdam wrote:
Can the topic title perhaps change to “Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan” or something similar? Arina denies being involved.


They deny that one of their planes were involved, but they did lease the plane from Jordan Aviation yesterday for a flight between Herat and Kabul.
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:15 am

Well, the actual quote of the denial from the BBC article is:

"The plane that crashed, therefore, doesn't belong to Ariana Airlines."


Which is true if it's an Ariana flight leased from Jordan.
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:20 am

rrlopes wrote:
Well, the actual quote of the denial from the BBC article is:

"The plane that crashed, therefore, doesn't belong to Ariana Airlines."


Which is true if it's an Ariana flight leased from Jordan.


If this is the plane in question, they're not lying to BBC, they're just playing with words. But we'll probably get more information during the day. I mean, the Jordan Aviation plane has to land sooner or later if it's just radar disturbance or something of the kind. But unfortunately I suspect it'll be the plane that crashed. The media seems to know the death count already so they sit on information we don't have yet.

It's just a matter of time until it comes out.
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:28 am

I think that the general coverage of the flightradar24 is rather poor in the area. In reference to the above mentioned 767 flight path, a quite identical flightpath can be seen of this flight https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... d#23a9cfe6 departed today. So it seems that it looses coverage at the same area, therefor I would not use flightradar24 as a proof of a crash in the region...
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash?!

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:30 am

danni wrote:
If this is the plane in question, they're not lying to BBC, they're just playing with words.


It's a crucial detail for them. The long-term impact of the crash will be very different if the media reports on the "Jordan Aviation Crash" rather than the "Ariana Airlines Crash". And since the plane is in white livery (if it is JY-JAL, still unconfirmed), they have a good chance of getting the owner of the plane in the spotlight rather than the company selling the ticket.
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:41 am

JY-JAL has just shown up as AFG508 descending into Kabul. So that's not the one.
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:46 am

The Av Herald is thankfully reporting there is no crash. https://avherald.com/h?article=4d282570&opt=0
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:47 am

Johner wrote:
JY-JAL showed up on the radar now as AFG508. So that's not the one.


FG507 on FR24 was JY-JAL, the flight number reprted to have crashed, took off just before 8AM, check playback. Returning from Herat, Very short flight though for a 767.
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:53 am

AIR MALTA wrote:
Just seen this on twitter:

https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1221733519208198145?s=20

Hope everyone on board is fine if true.


The original Tweet now appears to have been deleted.
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:55 am

hpff wrote:
The Av Herald is thankfully reporting there is no crash. https://avherald.com/h?article=4d282570&opt=0


Well, really just that there's no airliner crashed. If a plane has crashed and a pilot survived, it could be a military plane.
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:59 am

Apparently an IL-76 is missing now....
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:04 pm

OA940 wrote:
Apparently an IL-76 is missing now....


The plot thickens...
 
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Re: Ariana Afghan crash

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:09 pm

scbriml wrote:
hpff wrote:
The Av Herald is thankfully reporting there is no crash. https://avherald.com/h?article=4d282570&opt=0


Well, really just that there's no airliner crashed. If a plane has crashed and a pilot survived, it could be a military plane.


That's true, as they did mention a potential crash near Ghazni. Simon posted in the comments it may have been an unknown military plane, and says the IL-76 departed. Which could imply that the IL-76 took off and crashed, but not necessarily.

But fortunately it doesn't appear to be a passenger aircraft.
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:17 pm

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... r-21368981

If this image is off the plane is looks like maybe an F100?
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:19 pm

Global Express ?
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:21 pm

Looks like a CRJ or Challenger in this photo.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-new ... r-21368981
 
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:25 pm

That picture is an E-11 of the USAF
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:26 pm

DALCE wrote:
That picture is an E-11 of the USAF


I agree, or a civilian Bombardier Global Express.

I think we would've heard if a USAF-plane was shot down by the Taliban.
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:27 pm

DALCE wrote:
That picture is an E-11 of the USAF


Agreed.
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:27 pm

Looking at the cheat line, it appears to look like a USAF E-11A - airframe based on the Bombardier Global Express
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:27 pm

DALCE wrote:
That picture is an E-11 of the USAF


Indeed, the cheatline and air inlet on the horizontal stabilizer are quite obvious indicators.
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:31 pm

DALCE wrote:
That picture is an E-11 of the USAF


Good spot.
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:37 pm

Weird that no other news outlet picked this up. Most are still referring to Ariana.
 
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:42 pm

Jonne1184 wrote:
DALCE wrote:
That picture is an E-11 of the USAF


Indeed, the cheatline and air inlet on the horizontal stabilizer are quite obvious indicators.


Do you mean the vertical stabiliser? Isn't that the case on every Global Express?
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:44 pm

I can't think of many Global Express owners who'd fly into that neck of the woods...

A USAF E-11, on the other hand...
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:46 pm

Reuters has an update suggesting crashed plane belong to a foreign company.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afgh ... ZQ0WE?il=0
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:49 pm

www.aviation-safety.net also suggest a Global Express.
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:57 pm

Looks very much like the aircraft in this wikipedia article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlefie ... tions_Node
 
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 12:58 pm

Reuters: ''A senior defence official in Kabul said no U.S. or NATO forces’ flight had crashed.''
 
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Re: Reports of plane crash in Afghanistan

Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:02 pm

https://twitter.com/Natsecjeff/status/1 ... 47266?s=20

This video basically confirms that it is a USAF E-11A BACN (Global Express) that crashed here. The USAF insignia is visible on the engine.
 
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:05 pm

The E-11s are part of the 430th Expeditionary Electronic Combat Squadron, and that squadron has a station at Kandahar. Sadly it seems likely that this was indeed an American aircraft. RIP to the pilots...
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 1:06 pm

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