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Open Skies at risk? Trump looking to pull US out.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 5:11 pm
by Tugger
So apparently Russia is violating the agreed terms of Open Skies and the US is saying "enough". Not sure what the ultimate fallout will be.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/us/p ... ntrol.html
American officials have long complained that Moscow was violating the Open Skies accord by not permitting flights over a city where it was believed Russia was deploying nuclear weapons that could reach Europe, as well as forbidding flights over major Russian military exercises. (Satellites, the main source for gathering intelligence, are not affected by the treaty.)

“You reach a point at which you need to say enough is enough,” said Marshall Billingslea, Mr. Trump’s new special representative for arms control. “The United States cannot keep participating in this treaty if Russia is going to violate it with impunity.”


https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ies-treaty
Trump has said in the past that he would only remain in the treaty if China joined, which has not happened.


Tugg

Re: Open Skies at risk? Trump looking to pull US out.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 6:26 pm
by mxaxai
Tugger wrote:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- ... ies-treaty
Trump has said in the past that he would only remain in the treaty if China joined, which has not happened.


Tugg

I think this paragraph should refer to the New START treaty, since there was never any push to include China in Open Skies.

The likely fallout is that Russia also withdraws, like they did with the INF. Which leaves smaller countries without their own satellite program at a disadvantage, since Open Skies intel is shared between all treaty signatory states but satellite images are not. Considering the rate of the US withdrawing from or violating international treaties, it becomes increasingly difficult to consider them a reliable ally. Not that Russia is doing any better, though; I suppose that topic is better suited to Non-Av.

https://apnews.com/773c5e6b7fb92f5e6d0e4b8fddf1665e
“So I think what’s going to happen is we’re going to pull out and they (the Russians) are going to come back and want to make a deal,” Trump said. He added: “I think something very positive will work.”
As if that strategy had ever worked for them with any of their other recent treaties ...

Re: Open Skies at risk? Trump looking to pull US out.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 6:50 pm
by SAS A340
This will probably mean a less safe Europe.

Re: Open Skies at risk? Trump looking to pull US out.

Posted: Thu May 21, 2020 6:57 pm
by SuperiorPilotMe
mxaxai wrote:

The likely fallout is that Russia also withdraws, like they did with the INF. Which leaves smaller countries without their own satellite program at a disadvantage, since Open Skies intel is shared between all treaty signatory states but satellite images are not. Considering the rate of the US withdrawing from or violating international treaties, it becomes increasingly difficult to consider them a reliable ally. Not that Russia is doing any better, though; I suppose that topic is better suited to Non-Av.


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