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Ozair
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France and the CH-47

Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:26 pm

Was reading the article below and I became curious as to why the French have never operated the CH-47. Given the reliance on the UK for these operations in Mali, and how long France has been operating there and other parts of Africa, it seems strange that France has never acquired the aircraft. There isn't really a corresponding aircraft available from a European manufacturer and the current Caracel and Cougars don't have the payload range.

UK again extends helicopter deployment to Mali
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news ... nt-to-mali

I did find this article from February that indicates the French are considering the aircraft but seem to be looking for an initial lease instead of straight acquisition. There must be enough surplus aircraft they could acquire rapidly to gain this capability instead of leasing a couple to trial and given their experience now operating with partner aircraft such as the UK I fail to see why a lease and trial is even necessary.

France confirms interest in Chinook acquisition
https://www.flightglobal.com/helicopter ... 15.article

Is there some deep back story to this I am missing?
 
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Re: France and the CH-47

Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:14 am

Ozair wrote:
Is there some deep back story to this I am missing?
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The story was pretty convincing with the idea that they are leasing because they originally did not budget for it in the current spending plan. And the want to delay the buy outright until the latest block upgrade is implemented.

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Re: France and the CH-47

Wed Jun 17, 2020 12:52 am

It’s another reminder of how unique the old Vertol from 1957 really is, even today, given all of the helo’s that have been developed over the past 70 years. None have really managed to displace it’s position in the market.
 
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Re: France and the CH-47

Wed Jun 17, 2020 1:55 am

I believe there are a number of CH-47 airframes available, as a result of the US Army getting brand-new CH-47F's, allowing them to retire older CH-47D's. The older airframes can be re-manufactured into the later standard, and there are a number of US Army airframes that have gone through that process, alongside accepting deliveries of newly built CH-47F's.
 
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Re: France and the CH-47

Wed Jun 17, 2020 3:34 pm

Just a capability gap most have in some areas, though the French seemed to long rely on large numbers of Pumas and the subsequent models developed from it.
They used to have Super Frelons, though the French used them in the ASW/SAR role, though they sold utility versions, to Israel and South Africa.
Not a CH-47 true, still a step up from what they had for the role.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A%C3%A9ro ... per_Frelon

Though the UK path to CH-47 was not straight, ordered in 1967, cancelled when the devaluation crisis hit, re-ordered in 1978 when a Ministry Of Defence underspend made funds available.
The rest is history...
The RAF had the Belvedere, again not a CH-47, nor even a Super Frelon in capability, only 26 built and used for 10 years, mostly in the mid and far East.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Belvedere
 
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Re: France and the CH-47

Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:00 am

With the US putting tariffs on French wines, now might not be the best time to buy US hardware.

Also, if the situation means we are helped in that mess by other countries, it's not necessarily a bad thing...
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Re: France and the CH-47

Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:00 am

Aesma wrote:
With the US putting tariffs on French wines, now might not be the best time to buy US hardware.

Also, if the situation means we are helped in that mess by other countries, it's not necessarily a bad thing...

Doesn't have to be American built CH-47's, it could be Italian-built CH-47's. Leonardo has a license to build CH-47's domestically in Italy.
 
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Re: France and the CH-47

Sun Jun 21, 2020 4:25 am

Aesma wrote:
With the US putting tariffs on French wines, now might not be the best time to buy US hardware.

We've had so much bluster over the last four years about Europe, and specifically France and Germany, not buying US Hardware for this or that reason and yet they continue to. I really don't see this is as an issue and given how reliant the French seem to be on partner CH-47s it makes sense to acquire this.

Aesma wrote:
Also, if the situation means we are helped in that mess by other countries, it's not necessarily a bad thing...

The French already have a lot of support. The USAF has a significant presence supporting with UAS as well as SOCOM and AMC provides continued logistics and refuelling.

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