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USAF considers hiring experienced Comm Airline pilots

Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:17 am

There is an article on FlightGlobal referencing however it is paywall protected.

Does anyone have the details or full article?
 
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Re: USAF considers hiring experienced Comm Airline pilots

Tue Jun 23, 2020 11:41 am

worldranger wrote:
There is an article on FlightGlobal referencing however it is paywall protected.

Does anyone have the details or full article?

Since a decent number of them are ex USAF anyway it wouldn't be a surprise nor a reasonably difficult transition. These pilots did leave the USAF for a reason though so I wonder what conditions of service and stability the USAF would have to offer to make this attractive.
 
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Re: USAF considers hiring experienced Comm Airline pilots

Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:15 pm

Sounds sort of like an expanded ROTC recruitment effort, but also recognizing there are thousands of laid off pilots right now who might be interested.

The concept aims to take advantage of the growing pool of trained commercial pilots, many of whom have been grounded or are facing layoffs due to the economic impact of the coronavirus pandemic on airlines.

“Can we bring a pilot [who is] already a commercial-experience pilot, and can we put them through a short programme in the air force to make them an air force pilot?” says Holmes.

The Air Education and Training Command is also considering recruiting pilots who are much earlier in their commercial careers, he says.

“They’re also looking at ways to go out into civilian pilot training programmes and work with them to design the equivalent of our programmes where we could take people out of some of those university or school-based programmes and bring them straight into the air force,” says Holmes.

Recruiting from the commercial world remains conceptual at this point. In the short term, the USAF is focused on retaining military pilots who just six months ago would likely have departed the service for more lucrative jobs as commercial airline pilots.

“People that were reaching the end of their service commitment or had reached it, and were planning on moving to the airlines, are now thinking through that decision,” says Holmes. “I think that some of those will decide to stick around with us for a while longer. Some of them will sign a longer-term bonus and decide to commit and some of them will make a year-to-year decision and wait and see what happens in the environment. It gives us a chance to try to convince them to stick with us, which is an opportunity for us.”


Of course, there aren’t many 767 qualified commercial pilots without a current job given the cargo market, and basically no 707 rated ones. By the time the DoD could put together a program (possibly in F21, but probably later), it’s highly unlikely as many grounded commercial pilots (US citizens) will still be in that status.
 
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Re: USAF considers hiring experienced Comm Airline pilots

Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:07 pm

Why do they have to be grounded? Why not one that just wants a job with the USAF.
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Re: USAF considers hiring experienced Comm Airline pilots

Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:40 pm

Hoe long would it take to go from a B737 to an F15?.
 
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Re: USAF considers hiring experienced Comm Airline pilots

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:14 pm

Ozair wrote:
worldranger wrote:
There is an article on FlightGlobal referencing however it is paywall protected.

Does anyone have the details or full article?

Since a decent number of them are ex USAF anyway it wouldn't be a surprise nor a reasonably difficult transition. These pilots did leave the USAF for a reason though so I wonder what conditions of service and stability the USAF would have to offer to make this attractive.


Much fewer are ex-USAF/USN today in both absolute and percentage terms, especially when comparing those who might qualify to re-enter military service (age/fitness etc). The USAF has been shrinking for decades now and the total (civilian/commercial) pilot force has been expanding globally by an order of magnitude (just look at EK). There have never been fewer ‘young Sully’s’ so to speak in commercial cockpits in the US (or elsewhere).

There are ideas out there about how the military can address the pilot shortage they face, but I don’t have time today to dig thru the data to show how drastic the decrease in commercial pilots are today vs. the early 80’s even, sorry. It’s a very interesting situation, to say the least, though.

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Re: USAF considers hiring experienced Comm Airline pilots

Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:37 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Hoe long would it take to go from a B737 to an F15?.


To fly an F-15, not too long. To fight with an F-15 leading a strike package or winging in a strike—5 years of full time training. It’s not about the flying, it’s employing the weapons in a high stress environment.

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