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Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2020 7:42 am
by JayinKitsap
I recall way up thread and the supporting articles is the ship is steel up thru the main flight deck, AL above that.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 2:35 am
by zanl188
Arson suspected.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:24 am
by flyingturtle
Yep. A sailor was questioned but charges were not yet brought forward.

They also report that sailors nearly had the fire under control during the first few hours, but then winds stoked the fire...

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/27/90654469 ... 8512959338

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 9:25 pm
by Ozair
As many of us expected it is now official that USS Bonhomme Richard will be scrapped. It will leave a gap in USMC F-35 Pacific deployments so will be interesting to see how they get around that.

Navy Will Decommission Ship Damaged in Five-Day Blaze

The U.S. Navy will decommission the amphibious assault ship Bonhomme Richard after it was heavily damaged in a five-day fire in July off the coast of San Diego, officials said Monday.

Rebuilding the ship would have cost up to $3.2 billion and taken up to seven years, Rear Adm. Eric H. Ver Hage, commander of Navy Regional Maintenance Center, told reporters Monday. About 60% of the ship would have needed replacement, Adm. Ver Hage said.

...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/navy-will- ... 1606768369

Longer article here, https://news.usni.org/2020/11/30/navy-w ... me-richard

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 10:17 pm
by N328KF
Ozair wrote:
As many of us expected it is now official that USS Bonhomme Richard will be scrapped. It will leave a gap in USMC F-35 Pacific deployments so will be interesting to see how they get around that.

Navy Will Decommission Ship Damaged in Five-Day Blaze

The U.S. Navy will decommission the amphibious assault ship Bonhomme Richard after it was heavily damaged in a five-day fire in July off the coast of San Diego, officials said Monday.

Rebuilding the ship would have cost up to $3.2 billion and taken up to seven years, Rear Adm. Eric H. Ver Hage, commander of Navy Regional Maintenance Center, told reporters Monday. About 60% of the ship would have needed replacement, Adm. Ver Hage said.

...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/navy-will- ... 1606768369

Longer article here, https://news.usni.org/2020/11/30/navy-w ... me-richard


For reference, the first three America-class vessels cost $10 billion (total), and that was for the first in class vessels. Follow-on ships would probably (though not necessarily) be more expensive. Bottom line is that using napkin math, the Navy could get a zero-year ship for about the same price as rebuilding this 22 year-old vessel (29 years by the time it would be recommissioned.) They'll probably have to reactivate Nassau or Peleliu temporarily, or keep one of the early Wasps in service, and accelerate construction of a replacement.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2020 11:12 pm
by Ozair
N328KF wrote:
Ozair wrote:
As many of us expected it is now official that USS Bonhomme Richard will be scrapped. It will leave a gap in USMC F-35 Pacific deployments so will be interesting to see how they get around that.

Navy Will Decommission Ship Damaged in Five-Day Blaze

The U.S. Navy will decommission the amphibious assault ship Bonhomme Richard after it was heavily damaged in a five-day fire in July off the coast of San Diego, officials said Monday.

Rebuilding the ship would have cost up to $3.2 billion and taken up to seven years, Rear Adm. Eric H. Ver Hage, commander of Navy Regional Maintenance Center, told reporters Monday. About 60% of the ship would have needed replacement, Adm. Ver Hage said.

...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/navy-will- ... 1606768369

Longer article here, https://news.usni.org/2020/11/30/navy-w ... me-richard


For reference, the first three America-class vessels cost $10 billion (total), and that was for the first in class vessels. Follow-on ships would probably (though not necessarily) be more expensive. Bottom line is that using napkin math, the Navy could get a zero-year ship for about the same price as rebuilding this 22 year-old vessel (29 years by the time it would be recommissioned.) They'll probably have to reactivate Nassau or Peleliu temporarily, or keep one of the early Wasps in service, and accelerate construction of a replacement.


Agree and for what it is worth in the second article Rear Adm Ver Hage stated the current build cost for an America LHA is US$4.1 Billion.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:24 am
by Zkpilot
The only sensible conclusion really. Get a brand new ship faster for roughly the same cost as rebuilding a ship in the latter half of its life. Should be able to salvage possibly a couple of hundred million in systems/parts etc off it and a bit of scrap value.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Sun Dec 06, 2020 8:27 pm
by N328KF
Zkpilot wrote:
The only sensible conclusion really. Get a brand new ship faster for roughly the same cost as rebuilding a ship in the latter half of its life. Should be able to salvage possibly a couple of hundred million in systems/parts etc off it and a bit of scrap value.


I think other than the fact that the recent refit cost US$250M, most people aren't that upset about the additional expense (which is a problem, to be sure). The biggest issue appears to be the disruption to operational schedules, since it will take time and effort to insert an additional ship into the construction cycle.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 1:07 pm
by Slug71
They should be fine on numbers. There was only 8 Wasp Class ships. 11 are planned for the America Class, and 2 are currently active. So even with this loss, it shouldn't impact capability much.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:20 pm
by LyleLanley
Slug71 wrote:
They should be fine on numbers. There was only 8 Wasp Class ships. 11 are planned for the America Class, and 2 are currently active. So even with this loss, it shouldn't impact capability much.


Numbers and capability ≠ operational availability.

Ship deployments schedules are driven by maintenance periods and are forecast years in advance. This event threw a huge monkey wrench into the Navy’s deployment availability forecast by severely disrupting the operational and maintainable periods of the rest of the gator carriers.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:29 pm
by DigitalSea
LyleLanley wrote:
This event threw a huge monkey wrench into the Navy’s deployment availability forecast by severely disrupting the operational and maintainable periods of the rest of the gator carriers.


If that's true, I'd hate to see how the Navy would handle wartime losses.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:34 pm
by LyleLanley
DigitalSea wrote:
LyleLanley wrote:
This event threw a huge monkey wrench into the Navy’s deployment availability forecast by severely disrupting the operational and maintainable periods of the rest of the gator carriers.


If that's true, I'd hate to see how the Navy would handle wartime losses.


Wartime availability and damage sustained in combat is a much different proposition than a peacetime navy with hefty global commitments and an expectation of decades of service. These are preventative maintenance periods and can be skipped/shifted, but it’ll cost more somewhere else.

No free lunch, and navies sail because of maintenance.

Re: USS Bonhomme Richard (Wasp-class amphibious assault ship) is on fire

Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2020 8:39 pm
by Ozair
Slug71 wrote:
They should be fine on numbers. There was only 8 Wasp Class ships. 11 are planned for the America Class, and 2 are currently active. So even with this loss, it shouldn't impact capability much.

The impact is actually pretty significant. The loss of this vessel, one of only a couple that could currently host F-35B for the USMC, means the USMC won’t be able to deploy those aircraft on the deployments they were intending. The USN cannot just pull another vessel out to complete the same work, whichever vessel is identified would also need to be modified to handle F-35B same as the work being done to the Bonhomme Richard. The USN also has a backlog of work on vessels and as such the yards are booked out for years. If they modify a current active vessel instead that vessel comes out of the operational rotation and impacts locations and activities it was planned for and meant to undertake over the next couple of years.

All that translates to a loss of deployment of assets in the right locations and potentially this one loss impacts over twice the deployments of other vessels. For example Bonhomme is now done and all activities planned for it over the next five years have to be either dropped or taken over by another vessel. To conduct the same work that Bonhomme was going to do the replacement vessel needs to be modified for F-35B necessitating unscheduled yard work, that takes that vessel out of the deployment rotation necessitating another vessel take its place etc… If a vessel is taken out of the active reserve, so a Tarawa class, then it also needs yard work to do the replacement work.

You see how with so many moving parts it can quickly spin out of control.