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French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:33 am

French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

I was just wondering if this aircraft would need maintenance to fly again, but apparently it has been flown to Amman in Jordan??

https://samchui.com/2020/09/02/french-p ... 0-BxEjVLIU
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 11:41 am

There are maintenance facilities in Amman that can fix and sign out an A330. They might have a spare winglet as well, or maybe they will just remove it.

My guess is that they chose to send it there, because they could do it quickly enough not to disrupt the travel plans. Istanbul would be another close place, but France and Turkey aren't exactly on a good footing at the moment.
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 12:49 pm

I remember seeing a picture of an A340 of BWIA landing at LHR without the left winglet. Could not have this plane done anything similar by flying back to France?
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:06 pm

FCOTSTW wrote:
I remember seeing a picture of an A340 of BWIA landing at LHR without the left winglet. Could not have this plane done anything similar by flying back to France?

Flying without a winglet is no big deal but I suspect that flying with a damaged one could be risky. I wonder how it flew to Amman. Maybe just very slowly?
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:11 pm

The A330 can be flown with one winglet removed under the configuration deviation list it does result in a reduction in the MZFW and MTOW.

Looks like the whole hanger moved suddenly by some distance while the aircraft was being towed and hit the aircraft.
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:26 pm

Bigger question is what, if any, was damaged internally at the spar. Flying without the winglet isn’t a big deal; a temp repair to the structure is another matter.
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:03 pm

zeke wrote:
The A330 can be flown with one winglet removed under the configuration deviation list it does result in a reduction in the MZFW and MTOW.

Looks like the whole hanger moved suddenly by some distance while the aircraft was being towed and hit the aircraft.


Is there any need of rudder compensation when flying with one missing winglet? The winglets are reducing the induced drag so I understand that with a missing winglet, the drag becomes slightly asymmetrical.
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:29 pm

aschachter wrote:
I was just wondering if this aircraft would need maintenance to fly again, but apparently it has been flown to Amman in Jordan??

They should just use that as a backup...throw Airbus a bone and get an A338 as a replacement. It's likely that the few in line may not all be delivered. :duck:

Alternatively, the PM could do a Merkel and order A359s instead. :bigthumbsup:
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:40 pm

tomcat wrote:
Is there any need of rudder compensation when flying with one missing winglet? The winglets are reducing the induced drag so I understand that with a missing winglet, the drag becomes slightly asymmetrical.


I guess there would be, doubt it would be noticeable by the pilots.
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:58 pm

zeke wrote:
Looks like the whole hanger moved suddenly by some distance while the aircraft was being towed and hit the aircraft.


I know. You have to be watchful for when the hangar will jump out at you like that.
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Wed Sep 02, 2020 10:52 pm

I would think the Ground Handlers have a big repair bill and insurance claim coming....
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:17 am

The aircraft was probably sent to Jordan to get repaired by Joramco, a pretty big MRO operator in the Middle East.
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:10 am

Devilfish wrote:
aschachter wrote:
I was just wondering if this aircraft would need maintenance to fly again, but apparently it has been flown to Amman in Jordan??

They should just use that as a backup...throw Airbus a bone and get an A338 as a replacement. It's likely that the few in line may not all be delivered. :duck:

Alternatively, the PM could do a Merkel and order A359s instead. :bigthumbsup:


Why not both? Throw in a pair of A321XLRs for the fun of it 8-)
 
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:37 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Why not both? Throw in a pair of A321XLRs for the fun of it 8-)

Indeed why not...Germany did add two A321Ns after all. Depends on how popular the current administration think they are. Seriously, it's more palatable than handing over corporate bailout money altogether.
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Re: French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

Fri Sep 04, 2020 6:28 pm

aschachter wrote:
French President's A330 Damaged being Towed in Beirut

I was just wondering if this aircraft would need maintenance to fly again, but apparently it has been flown to Amman in Jordan??

https://samchui.com/2020/09/02/french-p ... 0-BxEjVLIU


Image

Image from the linked article.

An interesting route flown, quite far out to sea before turning south after which turning east towards Israel and than Jordan. Geopolitics at work for you.

Why didn't they just fly it back to Paris? If it can fly and allowed to fly to Amman, than it should be possible and safe to fly it to Paris.
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