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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:51 am

Coronet West conducted by KC-46s, with F-16s out of the DC ANG. Rota Spain in October, still in the 70s and beautiful country side. Wonder if any interesting combat markings are visible on the Vipers coming home...

https://www.airforcemag.com/kc-46-compl ... y-release/
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:28 pm

JayinKitsap wrote:
Are the F-117's officially back? I thought they were just doing 'aggressor' squadrons via a contractor.


They're (F-117s) back in the refueling manual. Before last year, you would have their ops limits and receiver info handed to you as part of your mission materials since the aircraft wasn't "officially" flying and, hence, was no longer in the refueling manual. Essentially a really badly over-xerox'd page from the old -33 circa 2005.

Boeing's stubbornness with the RVS and other systems is responsible for a good portion of the program's delays. Boeing thought their system met the specification at minimum cost (and it shows), and the AF had to learn how to argue the point. How do you argue that a system that induces migraines isn't meeting specification? The Air Force had to stand up a unit in one of their labs at Wright Patterson in order to build the vocabulary and scientific know-how to argue their point about how the RVS sucked and meets neither the specs nor the intent of the specs.

CX747 wrote:
Coronet West conducted by KC-46s, with F-16s out of the DC ANG. Rota Spain in October, still in the 70s and beautiful country side. Wonder if any interesting combat markings are visible on the Vipers coming home...

https://www.airforcemag.com/kc-46-compl ... y-release/


Very, very minor point, but that trip was actually a Coronet East. With the CONUS at the center of the world, anything east of it is a Coronet East, anything west of it is a Coronet West, etc. etc.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:23 am

Boeing delivers first KC-46A refueling tanker to Japan.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/busines ... an-2282066
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:07 pm

AngMoh wrote:
Boeing delivers first KC-46A refueling tanker to Japan.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/busines ... an-2282066


L/N 1207 C/N 66585 B767-2C 14-3611 (N6018N) JASDF KC-46A (VH401), ordered Dec 2017, was ferried Renton (RNT) - Miho Yonago Airport (YGJ) at October 28th 2021, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/143 ... /KRNT/RJOH
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:30 pm

Weird, why did it fly out of Renton?

When was the flight from Boeing Field to Renton?

Isn't the military delivery center at Boeing Field?

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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Nov 01, 2021 6:16 pm

It's got to be an error, the plane flew from Moses Lake to Seattle just before delivery. Besides I doubt it could land at Renton.. if I recall the plane has no thrust reversers so the runway is way too short.
 
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Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:11 pm

It's because the trackers didn't pick it up until it was over 2000ft off the deck at BFI, by which point it had just sailed past the end of the RNTs runway so the trackers just choose the nearest airfield and put 2 and 2 together assuming it makes 4.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Nov 10, 2021 4:08 am

The first two KC-46s to be assigned to Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst arrived at their new home on November 9, 2021.

Aircraft 19-46057 using callsign PUDGY01
Aircraft 19-46060 using callsign PUDGY02

Both aircraft operated BFI-WRI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu1vMSBOuFY

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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:53 am

usair1489 wrote:
The first two KC-46s to be assigned to Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst arrived at their new home on November 9, 2021.

Aircraft 19-46057 using callsign PUDGY01
Aircraft 19-46060 using callsign PUDGY02

Both aircraft operated BFI-WRI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu1vMSBOuFY

Image
Photo courtesy JBMDL PAO.


Looking forward to see these, I live under their training area and have grown up seeing C-141s transition to C-17s and KC-135Es transition to KC-135Rs. I remember when the KC-10s showed up in 1994. They are slated to get 24 KC-46, but they currently have 32 KC-10s. Hopefully they beef up the KC-46s to be a one for one replacement.They didn't get a one for one with the C-17s replacing the C-141s.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:51 am

Israel attempted to move ahead of the line in their deliveries. My question is, would it be possible for them to buy used KC-10s in the near term?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... bNancRGsD8
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:34 am

Buckeyetech wrote:
Israel attempted to move ahead of the line in their deliveries. My question is, would it be possible for them to buy used KC-10s in the near term?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... bNancRGsD8

Not a smart idea but anything is possible. Lyle will confirm the retired KC-10s are the bad ones of the bunch, you probably don't want to take those on...
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:42 am

Sounds like a political decision to me. Congress can strong arm the Air Force on behalf of Israel any day. But in this case, I guess Washington may be playing a game of high stake poker with the KC-46 time line.

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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Dec 17, 2021 7:13 pm

SeamanBeaumont wrote:
Buckeyetech wrote:
Israel attempted to move ahead of the line in their deliveries. My question is, would it be possible for them to buy used KC-10s in the near term?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... bNancRGsD8

Not a smart idea but anything is possible. Lyle will confirm the retired KC-10s are the bad ones of the bunch, you probably don't want to take those on...


It's absolutely possible, if 1.) Israel decided it wanted its IDF/AF to adopt a more expeditionary culture and be based all over the world, and the rest of the world somehow agreed to all this. 2.) Israel decided being frugal wasn't wise and decided to pay top dollar for mincemeat by not only bringing jets out of the bone yard that have pages upon pages of deferred maintenance, temp repairs, depot maintenance due, etc. but to also train the crews and (maybe) update the aircraft's systems on a very bespoke fleet. 3.) Israel looked at the absolutely revolutionary advancements in AR and C2 the KC-46 brings to the table and decided to wait a half century on the capes but spend the money now on a 40 year old airplane based on a 55 year-old design.

Possible? Yes, if all three of those stipulations were met. Probably? Not in the slightest bit.
 
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Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:36 pm

LyleLanley wrote:
SeamanBeaumont wrote:
Buckeyetech wrote:
Israel attempted to move ahead of the line in their deliveries. My question is, would it be possible for them to buy used KC-10s in the near term?

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... bNancRGsD8

Not a smart idea but anything is possible. Lyle will confirm the retired KC-10s are the bad ones of the bunch, you probably don't want to take those on...


It's absolutely possible, if 1.) Israel decided it wanted its IDF/AF to adopt a more expeditionary culture and be based all over the world, and the rest of the world somehow agreed to all this. 2.) Israel decided being frugal wasn't wise and decided to pay top dollar for mincemeat by not only bringing jets out of the bone yard that have pages upon pages of deferred maintenance, temp repairs, depot maintenance due, etc. but to also train the crews and (maybe) update the aircraft's systems on a very bespoke fleet. 3.) Israel looked at the absolutely revolutionary advancements in AR and C2 the KC-46 brings to the table and decided to wait a half century on the capes but spend the money now on a 40 year old airplane based on a 55 year-old design.

Possible? Yes, if all three of those stipulations were met. Probably? Not in the slightest bit.


I was a bit confused on the article stating that it would take a tanker larger than their 707s to successfully attack Iran’s nuclear facility, but then they already have an exercise planned soon to simulate an attack (which seems all but inevitable at this point).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... is-spring/
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:45 pm

Buckeyetech wrote:
I was a bit confused on the article stating that it would take a tanker larger than their 707s to successfully attack Iran’s nuclear facility, but then they already have an exercise planned soon to simulate an attack (which seems all but inevitable at this point).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... is-spring/


Hence their desire to acquire KC-46s faster 8-)

They probably could do it already with their organic tankers - especially after a few LFEs to work the bugs out - but with big-wing USAF tanker help it wouldn't be a question of possibility. Their 707 doesn't have the fuel capacity of the KC-135 nor the KC-46, and at the altitudes they'd have to fly (for the fighters) its fuel burn would be pretty atrocious.
 
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Sat Dec 18, 2021 3:46 am

Buckeyetech wrote:
I was a bit confused on the article stating that it would take a tanker larger than their 707s to successfully attack Iran’s nuclear facility, but then they already have an exercise planned soon to simulate an attack (which seems all but inevitable at this point).

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_ ... is-spring/

The Iranian nuclear power station is only 950nm from Israel. The F-35I can fly to the target and back on internal fuel using all reserve fuel and the most optimal cruising altitude.

The official F-35A combat radius has max internal weapon weight, allocates fuel for combat/emergency plus reserve fuel and it is flown at a non optimal cruising altitude.

In operation Opera the F-16's flew 50% further than their combat radius. Any engagement or dogfight would have meant they wouldn't have made it back home.

Israel have also developed 600 gallon drop tanks for the F-35I that are apparently already flying over Tel-Nof air force base. These tanks not only allow them to do the mission without inflight refueling but gives them time on station or fuel to engage enemy fighters.
 
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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Dec 18, 2021 4:08 am

But we are not really worried about the 35s though aren't we? The work horse would be the F-15s with the deep penetration bombs. Or are you saying those bunker busters will fit on a 35?

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Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Dec 18, 2021 8:28 pm

Two more KC-46s were recently delivered to the 916th ARW, SJ AFB: 19-46062 and 19-46065.
 
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Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:56 am

One KC-46 was delivered to McGuire today: 19-46063.
 
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