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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Sun May 09, 2021 2:39 am

The next P8 for Royal Air Force rolled out of paint and was parked across from the P8 line.

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 1:16 pm

Interesting read.

Not all is rosy with the P-8A mission capability.

https://news.usni.org/2021/05/25/pentag ... re-mission

While the tech performance is excellent. Mission readiness is low because of of all things, lack of bolts and O rings.

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Tue May 25, 2021 7:44 pm

bikerthai wrote:
Interesting read.

Not all is rosy with the P-8A mission capability.

https://news.usni.org/2021/05/25/pentag ... re-mission

While the tech performance is excellent. Mission readiness is low because of of all things, lack of bolts and O rings.

bt

One presumes this is readiness relative to the required figure, and not versus the P-3C?

Because the uptimes here are night and day compared to the Soviet birds they replaced. We have eight P-8Is that are doing as much work, maybe more, than 13 soviet MPAs. When we get to the full 12 on contract, it will be the best airborne maritime awareness we've ever had.
 
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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Tue May 25, 2021 9:42 pm

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One presumes this is readiness relative to the required figure, and not versus the P-3C?


Also probably not applicable to the P-8I of the Indian Navy. The issue with the USN birds seems to related to the inadequacy of the maintenance plan. I was surprised that the crew at Sigonella had trouble accessing the maintenance manuals as Boeing provides digital maintenance manuals to all it's customers.

I supposed if you are setting up at a new operating base away from your home base, some kinks needs to be ironed out. Hopefully the lessons learned could be applied to The UK and Norway. Although as the primary base for their P-8A, both the UK and Norway should have all the maintenance documents right there.

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Tue May 25, 2021 10:43 pm

The other question would be how the Sigonella data compares to the Kadena deployment. They should have had lots of lessons learned from that first deployment.

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Wed May 26, 2021 2:09 pm

That's a good point. We don't deploy the same way so the comparison is moot.

FWIW, anecdotally, the P-8I's ability to self-deploy to other bases within India and/or nearby is also light years ahead of the Tu-142 and Il-38. I've seen it with my own eyes.

And during MH370, the first IN asset tasked was a Tu-142 because it was closest. But when the IN had to deploy MPA (to Malaysia, IIRC) to join the multinational search effort proper, they straightaway picked the P-8I.
 
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Tue Jun 01, 2021 1:38 pm

Don't have a link, but the FY defense budget request for FY 22 does not have any P-8A for the US Navy.

Congress may add more frames but most likely the production line is booked with foreign frames in the near future.

There still may be opportunity in the next budget, but the Navy will have already have more frames than the original 117 requested.

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Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:44 am

ZP807 rolled out

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Another P8 for @RoyalAirForce on the final assembly line. #ZP808 LN#8757

Behind it is the 1st P8 for the Royal Norwegian Air Force (@Luftforsvaret) LN#8796

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Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:49 pm

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... -radar-pod

This was posted on another aviation thread.

This AAS pod serves the same function as the Air Force J-STARS aircraft.

Note that the later P-8A frames have the capability of mounting the AAS kit. So in theory, if the US government allows, the RAAF and UK frames can incorporate the AAS pod as well.

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Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:57 pm

bikerthai wrote:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33289/behold-these-awesome-shots-of-a-navy-p-8a-poseidon-carrying-its-big-secretive-radar-pod

This was posted on another aviation thread.

This AAS pod serves the same function as the Air Force J-STARS aircraft.

Note that the later P-8A frames have the capability of mounting the AAS kit. So in theory, if the US government allows, the RAAF and UK frames can incorporate the AAS pod as well.

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:thumbsup: Would love to see some shots of it on the ground - what sort of ground clearance it has. The 737/P8 airframe already sits very low to the ground on account of the MLG.
 
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Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:06 am

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Would love to see some shots of it on the ground - what sort of ground clearance it has. The 737/P8 airframe already sits very low to the ground on account of the MLG.


https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.p ... eidon.html

Include video.

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Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:06 pm

The P-8 Poseidon has had a remarkably smooth entrance into service, the only criticisms has been it's anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities. One device it lacks that the P-3C utilized was the magnetic anomaly detector (MAD), it's said to fly too high and too fast to be a suitable platform for the MAD. In 2019 the Pentagon issued a solicitation for the defense industry to develop a Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) that would be equipped with the magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) ;

https://www.militaryaerospace.com/unmanned/article/14034795/antisubmarine-warfare-asw-uav-magnetic-anomaly-detector-mad

They want the MAD equipped UAV to be around 36 pounds and able to be air deployed through the P-8's sonobuoy launcher. They should have the ability to cruise for 45 minutes "at cruise speed", and fly as fast as 90 knots. The Navy wants the ability to air launch them from anywhere between 500 - 25,000 ft.

My question is what is the update on this project, and how feasible can this new UAV be as a platform to relay magnetic anomaly detector (MAD) back to the P-8's crew? I assume the UAV would be electric powered and just terminate after an hour or so? How much coverage could that provide?

The MQ-4C is being deployed as a companion to the P-8s, however they too are operating at altitudes too high for the magnetic-anomaly-detector-mad.

https://seapowermagazine.org/triton-deploys-at-last-the-navy-takes-its-new-uav-to-the-western-pacific/

Wouldn't it make sense to develop a UAV that is able to skim the ocean at lower altitudes, stay on station for an extended period of time and that can be launched and recovered either from an airport on land or a ship at sea like an Aircraft carrier, or better yet launch and land vertically onto surface ship like a Destroyer etc..
 
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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:44 am

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One device it lacks that the P-3C utilized was the magnetic anomaly detector (MAD), it's said to fly too high and too fast to be a suitable platform for the MAD. I


For what ever reason, the US Navy chose not to install the MAD boom on their P-8A. The Indian Navy has the MAD boom installed on their P-8I.

Would the MAD sensor work againt titanium hull sub?

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:59 pm

Its not just using it against titanium hulled subs, being down low to the surface of the ocean makes it very vulnerable to the sorts of short range SAMs that some subs and suspected unmanned submersibles can or are expected to carry. The idea is that the P-8 will be less vulnerable at altitude to those sorts of things, while shepherding smaller, attritable UAVs to look for suspected contacts. This also allows the P-8 to stay on station longer as it is more efficient at altitude than down low. This also gives it longer range on its sensors, longer direct-line-of-site range for command links to the various drones, and better visibility to other high altitude assets that it may be coordinating with.
 
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Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:58 pm

It is curious though why now requesting the white paper on tube launch MAD Drones?

Theory 1. When the P-8A was launched, the major concerns were titanium hull Russian subs. Now with he pivot to China and Iranian sub, the MAD capability is useful again, but they don't want to carry the extra weigth, so the drone is more flexible to use.

Theory 2. The US is requesting the white paper at the behest of an ally and is not intending to use the MAD drone.

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Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:44 pm

bikerthai wrote:
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/33289/behold-these-awesome-shots-of-a-navy-p-8a-poseidon-carrying-its-big-secretive-radar-pod

This was posted on another aviation thread.

This AAS pod serves the same function as the Air Force J-STARS aircraft.

Note that the later P-8A frames have the capability of mounting the AAS kit. So in theory, if the US government allows, the RAAF and UK frames can incorporate the AAS pod as well.

bt



I saw a jet with this pod equipped doing touch and goes at Tinker AFB last year. Couldn't find anything about what the hell it was at the time. Thanks for posting that link.
 
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Fri Jun 25, 2021 4:57 am

The next P8 for @RoyalAirForce rolled out of paint and is parked behind final assembly undergoing more work before heading to the flight line. #ZP808

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The 1st P8 for @Luftforsvaret as seen on the P8 line at Renton and will be the next one out the door.

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Fri Jul 09, 2021 12:35 pm

First P-8 for the Royal Norwegian air force rolls out of the paint hangar and includes the "Saint" on the tail

https://forsvaretsforum.no/forsvarsmate ... FTLsUqchgU
 
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The 1st P8 for Royal Norwegian Air Force @Luftforsvaret on the flight line preparing for its first flight.

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Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:04 pm

Appreciate possibly not the most accurate thread to post it on; but the MAX thread in the civilian section didn't make sense either. The following aircraft has been registered with the FAA:

N576JK BOEING 737-700 66840 BOEING CO

Anyone know if this is a Wedgetail or a last BBJ or something being produced? Strange to see a new 737-700?
 
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Anyone know if this is a Wedgetail


Most likely the 3rd E-7 frame for the UK.

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Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:24 pm

The next P8 for India

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Mon Aug 23, 2021 1:22 am

The next P8 to roll out.

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Tue Aug 24, 2021 1:54 pm

I noticed the LN's of the newest P-8s are high and still a lot of gaps with each newer report. The highest I know, LN 9026 - 66114 for the Norwegian Air Force is already in production. Meanwhile civil production has reached LN 8118 with many lower numbers not even finished yet (about half of LN 7905-8100). Does that mean there are more than 900 fuselages hanging around in Wichita waiting and waiting? I would imagine they would lower the rate which would mean every 1 in 10 LN's is a P-8 for a while until civil deliveries catched up and cleaned out. Or is for instance the fuselage LN 9025, most likely a civil MAX, not even built yet in Wichita?
 
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Tue Aug 24, 2021 2:31 pm

The line numbers were assigned prior to COVID and the MAX fiasco. Since the P-8A and the MAX have different base model and the Navy still want their frames, Boeing just slow down the Civil side and kept the P-8A side going without reassigning the line numbers.

The P-8A will have an out of sequence line number coming up. That fuselage had to be re-built after transportation damage on its trip from Wichita. They did not re-fire that line number either. They just incorporated some changes to bring it up to current configuration.

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Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:26 am

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The P-8A will have an out of sequence line number coming up. That fuselage had to be re-built after transportation damage on its trip from Wichita. They did not re-fire that line number either. They just incorporated some changes to bring it up to current configuration.


You keep repeating this as fact, yet despite asking you to provide a verifiable source to back it up, we are still waiting.
 
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Wed Aug 25, 2021 9:37 am

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I noticed the LN's of the newest P-8s are high and still a lot of gaps with each newer report. The highest I know, LN 9026 - 66114 for the Norwegian Air Force is already in production. Meanwhile civil production has reached LN 8118 with many lower numbers not even finished yet (about half of LN 7905-8100). Does that mean there are more than 900 fuselages hanging around in Wichita waiting and waiting? I would imagine they would lower the rate which would mean every 1 in 10 LN's is a P-8 for a while until civil deliveries catched up and cleaned out. Or is for instance the fuselage LN 9025, most likely a civil MAX, not even built yet in Wichita?


I have wondered this myself. Given the current roll-out rates at RNT I think it unlikely that there will be 900 barrels at Wichita and various rail yards, plus there's the 100 frames between LN 7900 and 8100 which haven't yet been assembled either - although these ones are likely already built and stored somewhere. We may see the future P8s appearing in consecutive LN order at some point.
 
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You keep repeating this as fact, yet despite asking you to provide a verifiable source to back it up,


Unfortunately, you'll just have to wait for that frame to show up on the flight line.

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We may see the future P8s appearing in consecutive LN order at some point.


Again no reliable confirmation until they show up on the flight line, but you are spot on.

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RobK wrote:
You keep repeating this as fact, yet despite asking you to provide a verifiable source to back it up,


Unfortunately, you'll just have to wait for that frame to show up on the flight line.

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So you have no source. Cool. :roll:
 
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So you have no source. Cool.


Not any source that I could name without suffering consequence. :ziplip: :shakehead: :ouch:

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Any idea when production will begin on the New Zealand (RNZAF) airframes?
 
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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021

Sat Oct 02, 2021 5:25 am

US Navy has awarded Boeing the production contract for the five P-8A for Germany a few days ago.

Boeing Awarded Contract for Five P-8A Aircraft for Germany

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