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NASA B747SP flying over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 3:58 pm

Just noted that a NASA B747SP is doing air tests in Airbus territory over Hamburg, one wonders why??

- NASA747 HAMBURG dep. 10:33 - Boeing 747SP-21 REG N747NA

The flight lasted over 6 hours!

An unexpected form of US-EU aviation industry cooperation?

Any info much appreciated. Thanks!

https://www.flightradar24.com/NASA747/26b58f42
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:08 pm

N747NA is the NASA SOFIA 747; SOFIA is a cooperation between NASA and DLR (Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt, German Aerospace Center). So, it's no surprised it is over Germany.
As wo why Hamburg vs Cologne (where DLR is based): maybe Hamburg has more support facilities than Cologne?
 
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:11 pm

I don't know any exact details, but the NASA 747SP is the SOFIA airborne observatory (SOFIA stands for Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy). It's a joint project between NASA and the German Aerospace Center, so it would make sense that it would be flying over Germany to make some observations. Here's a link to NASA's page about it if you want more details https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/SOFIA/index.html
 
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:17 pm

maintenance test flight from Lufthansa Technik posted in another group...

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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:20 pm

The aircraft gets its maintenance done in Hamburg. It’s based in Palmdale CA.
 
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:25 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
N747NA is the NASA SOFIA 747; SOFIA is a cooperation between NASA and DLR (Deutsches Zentrum für Luft- und Raumfahrt, German Aerospace Center). So, it's no surprised it is over Germany.
As wo why Hamburg vs Cologne (where DLR is based): maybe Hamburg has more support facilities than Cologne?


DLR is widely spread over Gerrnany. :-)
( headquarters doesn't count. only paper pushers there :-)))

LH Technik has done rather major maintenance on the SOFIA airframe. ( Interesting report around for the last major check. )
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 4:58 pm

May I remind you to provide a link to a source when stating facts? Otherwise your post will be deleted.

Anyway, for those interested, here you go:

How Lufthansa Technik Maintain’s NASA’s Boeing 747 Telescope
 
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 5:18 pm

SQ22 wrote:
May I remind you to provide a link to a source when stating facts? Otherwise your post will be deleted.

Anyway, for those interested, here you go:

How Lufthansa Technik Maintain’s NASA’s Boeing 747 Telescope


Report on the D-Check done by LH-Technik in 2014:
https://www.dglr.de/publikationen/2015/370363.pdf

Current visit in Hamburg for a C-Check:
https://www.dglr.de/publikationen/2015/370363.pdf

And to top it off the map of individual DLR sites:
https://www.dlr.de/content/de/bilder/ma ... s-dlr.html
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 6:17 pm

factsonly, an overview of SOFIA, an admirable program IMHO, had it's development issues but groundbreaking science and engineering usually do.
An overview;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw2uVNbqjDo

A well informed enthusiast;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNjHvbqYkB0

SOFIA's recent, unexpected discovery;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U70y8ypCbyA

Flight crew perspective;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=of2TU9SCdKg

And if you really want to dive extra deep, the scientific perspective 3 years into it's operation;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV98BcBBA9c
 
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 7:24 pm

SQ22 wrote:
May I remind you to provide a link to a source when stating facts? Otherwise your post will be deleted.

Anyway, for those interested, here you go:

How Lufthansa Technik Maintain’s NASA’s Boeing 747 Telescope


Who?
 
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Sun Jan 31, 2021 9:08 pm

factsonly wrote:
An unexpected form of US-EU aviation industry cooperation?


Ah, you mean as unexpected as CFMI with GE and Safran? Or Pratt & MTU? Or [insert dozens of examples of your own choice]?

The industry is far beyond the superficial and often laughable competition dirty talk between Airbus and Boeing, which is more often than not media und public (fanboy) made.
 
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:03 am

HaveBlue wrote:
SQ22 wrote:
May I remind you to provide a link to a source when stating facts? Otherwise your post will be deleted.

Anyway, for those interested, here you go:

How Lufthansa Technik Maintain’s NASA’s Boeing 747 Telescope


Who?


Lufthansa Technik.
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:12 pm

V6Aveo wrote:
I don't know any exact details, but the NASA 747SP is the SOFIA airborne observatory (SOFIA stands for Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy). It's a joint project between NASA and the German Aerospace Center, so it would make sense that it would be flying over Germany to make some observations. Here's a link to NASA's page about it if you want more details https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/SOFIA/index.html



It seems to me that international cooperation in the aerospace industry is the real future of our planet, because only through joint efforts can humanity save the planet from ruin. I think that the aerospace company UK may also be a candidate for international campaigns.
 
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Re: NASA B747SP flying in Airbus territory over Hamburg

Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:35 pm

V6Aveo wrote:
I don't know any exact details, but the NASA 747SP is the SOFIA airborne observatory (SOFIA stands for Stratospheric Observatory for Infrared Astronomy). It's a joint project between NASA and the German Aerospace Center, so it would make sense that it would be flying over Germany to make some observations. Here's a link to NASA's page about it if you want more details https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/SOFIA/index.html

Observation aren't usually done over Germany or Europe, though. AFAIK there was only one such observation flight previously, last year during a PR visit to Germany.

SOFIA is based in Palmdale, CA, and they also did flights from Christchurch, NZ, during the southern winter / northern summer. Some of the instruments need to be cooled with liquid helium, which isn't available everywhere. The aircraft as a relatively old 747SP can also be a pain to maintain since there are few spare parts. By focusing on two 'home' airports, they can keep all the spares and supplies ready nearby.

The flight plans also prefer open airspace without having to navigate around restrictions or other traffic. Since the telescope can only gimbal up and down, the aircraft's heading is dictated by the observation target. With dense European traffic and the many borders, it's not the ideal place.

I'm fairly certain that this observation campaign only happened in Germany because of the COVID restrictions that made it difficult for scientists to travel to the US or NZ.

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