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bearnard123 wrote:Talking about Mars missions. "BEIJING, June 24 (Reuters) - China aims to send its first crewed mission to Mars in 2033, with regular follow-up flights to follow, under a long-term plan to build a permanently inhabited base on the Red Planet and extract its resources."
zululima wrote:That's nonsense. They won't even have crew on the moon by then. Anyone who actually follows the Chinese space program knows they are steady and incremental, and just as underfunded as the rest. A robotic sample return from Mars in twelve years would be more than ambitious. Don't trust news articles about Chinese plans; they're overblown click-bait, even from respectable news outlets, as were stories about the USSR during the Cold War. China simply doesn't have the funding or expertise to skip forward in the timeline like that.
As for "permanently inhabited base"... No one will be doing that in your lifetime without a significant leap in technology.
zululima wrote:bearnard123 wrote:Talking about Mars missions. "BEIJING, June 24 (Reuters) - China aims to send its first crewed mission to Mars in 2033, with regular follow-up flights to follow, under a long-term plan to build a permanently inhabited base on the Red Planet and extract its resources."
That's nonsense. They won't even have crew on the moon by then. Anyone who actually follows the Chinese space program knows they are steady and incremental, and just as underfunded as the rest. A robotic sample return from Mars in twelve years would be more than ambitious. Don't trust news articles about Chinese plans; they're overblown click-bait, even from respectable news outlets, as were stories about the USSR during the Cold War. China simply doesn't have the funding or expertise to skip forward in the timeline like that.
As for "permanently inhabited base"... No one will be doing that in your lifetime without a significant leap in technology.
bearnard123 wrote:zululima wrote:bearnard123 wrote:Talking about Mars missions. "BEIJING, June 24 (Reuters) - China aims to send its first crewed mission to Mars in 2033, with regular follow-up flights to follow, under a long-term plan to build a permanently inhabited base on the Red Planet and extract its resources."
That's nonsense. They won't even have crew on the moon by then. Anyone who actually follows the Chinese space program knows they are steady and incremental, and just as underfunded as the rest. A robotic sample return from Mars in twelve years would be more than ambitious. Don't trust news articles about Chinese plans; they're overblown click-bait, even from respectable news outlets, as were stories about the USSR during the Cold War. China simply doesn't have the funding or expertise to skip forward in the timeline like that.
As for "permanently inhabited base"... No one will be doing that in your lifetime without a significant leap in technology.
I can partially agree with you. But China makes now huge leaps in space exploration campaign and in the last decade China advanced. So, I guess we should not underate them
GDB wrote:Excellent update on the Chinese Rover from Scott Manley, some fascinating video and images;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSSs6FfBlgY
bearnard123 wrote:The Curiosity rover had managed to collect 32 Martian rock samples by using a drill attached to robotic arm. Perseverance rovere mission still keeps searching for signs of past life on the red planet by analyzing the chemical, mineral, physical and organic characteristics of the rocks.
wingman wrote:bearnard123 wrote:The Curiosity rover had managed to collect 32 Martian rock samples by using a drill attached to robotic arm. Perseverance rovere mission still keeps searching for signs of past life on the red planet by analyzing the chemical, mineral, physical and organic characteristics of the rocks.
The best part of this accomplishment comes next, something I wouldn't have thought of until I had the rocks in hands..hmmm, how do I get them back home?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nasa-mars- ... n-mission/
FGITD wrote:wingman wrote:bearnard123 wrote:The Curiosity rover had managed to collect 32 Martian rock samples by using a drill attached to robotic arm. Perseverance rovere mission still keeps searching for signs of past life on the red planet by analyzing the chemical, mineral, physical and organic characteristics of the rocks.
The best part of this accomplishment comes next, something I wouldn't have thought of until I had the rocks in hands..hmmm, how do I get them back home?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nasa-mars- ... n-mission/
I do enjoy how very un-NASA like this whole concept is. It reads as if some low level manager was spitballing in a presentation to get his drill added.
We’ll drill the sample! Then…another rover will come get it eventually. And then that rover will launch it! And then some kind of probe will come pick it up from Martian orbit and bring it back! What’s that? Oh…no, we don’t yet have any plans or preliminary designs for any of these except the original rover.
I hope the soil is retrieved by an astronaut walking up to the rover
GDB wrote:FGITD wrote:wingman wrote:
The best part of this accomplishment comes next, something I wouldn't have thought of until I had the rocks in hands..hmmm, how do I get them back home?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nasa-mars- ... n-mission/
I do enjoy how very un-NASA like this whole concept is. It reads as if some low level manager was spitballing in a presentation to get his drill added.
We’ll drill the sample! Then…another rover will come get it eventually. And then that rover will launch it! And then some kind of probe will come pick it up from Martian orbit and bring it back! What’s that? Oh…no, we don’t yet have any plans or preliminary designs for any of these except the original rover.
I hope the soil is retrieved by an astronaut walking up to the rover
Likely as much a funding issue as anything, though like the helicopter and the Moxie experiment, as much a technology demonstration as exploration asset. The first has gone way beyond expectations and has become an asset on this mission, the second worked too and after a dusty first attempt, the sample collector is working.
I too would like to see a gloved human hand retrieve them, or a big rover and launch to orbit booster put there by a Starship (god it's weird to type that name on a non sci-fi site), on an earlier unmanned mission.
Since this rover was conceived and then approved, the spaceflight world has been turned on it's head.
GDB wrote:Likely as much a funding issue as anything, though like the helicopter and the Moxie experiment, as much a technology demonstration as exploration asset.