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VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Fri May 21, 2021 9:49 pm

Is it Jet A1 or JP-8?

If it's Jet A1, do they have a dedicated fleet of tankers for in-flight refueling or are the tankers able to seamlessly switch between JP-8 and Jet A1?
 
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Re: VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Fri May 21, 2021 9:55 pm

Probably JP-8, as that’s the US MIL standard, but fuels can be mixed. No dedicated tanker fleet in any case. Refueled, on the ground, in the ME for C-5s, burned whatever they gave us.
 
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Re: VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Sat May 22, 2021 1:01 am

It’s actually Jet-A now. JP-8 cost slightly more per gallon, and the powers that be decided that $ wasn’t worth the benefits ~ 2016, so we’re all switched now.
 
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Re: VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Sat May 22, 2021 3:54 am

After my time, jets will burn most anything combustive.
 
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Re: VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Sat May 22, 2021 11:03 am

LyleLanley wrote:
It’s actually Jet-A now. JP-8 cost slightly more per gallon, and the powers that be decided that $ wasn’t worth the benefits ~ 2016, so we’re all switched now.


If I recall correctly JP-8 had negative health effects for folks that came in contact with it. None of my Fuels MX or POL friends had anything good to say about it.
 
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Re: VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Sat May 22, 2021 5:11 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
but fuels can be mixed.



Neat side-note-
if a NAVY bird gets anything but JP5 and goes to sea....
it gets treated 'differently' until all threat of the non standard fuel is gone.
My recollection is that it's about the flashpoint.



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Re: VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Sat May 22, 2021 9:10 pm

zanl188 wrote:
If I recall correctly JP-8 had negative health effects for folks that came in contact with it. None of my Fuels MX or POL friends had anything good to say about it.


I'd believe it. Although on my jet between the JP-8, the skydrol, and the "potable" water kept in a tank that probably hasn't been cleaned since Reagan had naturally brown hair, the JP-8 was probably the least of their health concerns.

studedave wrote:
Neat side-note-
if a NAVY bird gets anything but JP5 and goes to sea....
it gets treated 'differently' until all threat of the non standard fuel is gone.
My recollection is that it's about the flashpoint.StudeDave


I knew that was a thing when the AF flew with JP-4, but do they do the same thing today when JP-8/Jet A is the tanking fuel? Definitely the flashpoint. JP-5>JP-4, although not nearly as safe as JP-7.
 
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Re: VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Wed May 26, 2021 4:08 am

LyleLanley wrote:
I'd believe it. Although on my jet between the JP-8, the skydrol, and the "potable" water kept in a tank that probably hasn't been cleaned since Reagan had naturally brown hair, the JP-8 was probably the least of their health concerns.

OT but out of curiosity, what did you fly?
 
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Re: VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Wed May 26, 2021 4:13 am

KC-10s
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 6:10 pm

The Gucci boys and gals
 
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Re: VC-25A/B, E-4B - Type of Fuel

Sun Oct 17, 2021 12:22 am

studedave wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
but fuels can be mixed.



Neat side-note-
if a NAVY bird gets anything but JP5 and goes to sea....
it gets treated 'differently' until all threat of the non standard fuel is gone.
My recollection is that it's about the flashpoint.



StudeDave

JP-5 has a much higher flashpoint than JP-8 so its much safer for shipboard use.

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