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USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Sat May 29, 2021 5:13 am

"The 421 aircraft described in the talking points include a total phase-out of the aged F-15C/D fleet, numbering about 234 aircraft, by the end of fiscal 2026. The F-16 fleet would be reduced by 124 aircraft, mostly from what are called the “pre-block,” or oldest models, leaving a force of 812, also by the end of 2026. The A-10 attack plane would be reduced from 281 total aircraft to 218, for a reduction of 63 tails, but on a more aggressive timeline ending in fiscal 2023.

Over the future-years defense plan ending in fiscal ’26, the Air Force would also bring on 84 new F-15EX and 220 F-35A fighters, resulting in a net reduction of 117 jets over the five-year period. The downsizing would be the largest since the “CAF Redux,” or Combat Air Forces Reduction of the early 2010s, in which the USAF trimmed its fleet by about 250 airplanes."

https://www.airforcemag.com/air-force-w ... -new-ones/


Note that the amount of aircraft purchased will likely go up because Congress.
 
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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Sun May 30, 2021 2:23 pm

kitplane01 wrote:
Note that the amount of aircraft purchased will likely go up because Congress.


Yeah that and the unknown number of frames they will be building under the black project programs.

The other aspect of the number's game is as they bring UAV on board, would they categorize the UAV as 1 for 1, 2 for 1, etcetera per manned fighter replacement?

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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Sun May 30, 2021 3:44 pm

OP, now do you know why they need the F15X?
 
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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Mon May 31, 2021 1:21 am

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OP, now do you know why they need the F15X?

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there. :rotfl:
 
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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Mon May 31, 2021 10:51 pm

The Navy is expected to grab a number of the F-16's the USAF is planning on divesting for themselves for aggressor training:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/202 ... t-gap.html

The U.S. Navy is preparing to receive F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter jets from the Air Force as it moves to rid its inventory of legacy F/A-18 Hornet models used in its Reserve fleets, according to its fiscal 2022 budget request.

The Navy will shelve roughly 55 aircraft over the next year, the documents state, in hopes of transitioning to the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. But to make sure it has enough fighters available amid the conversion, it expects the Air Force to transfer some F-16s to it.

"This divestment reduces long-term support cost of older [Hornets] while retaining adversary capacity," the documents state, but do not specify the number of F-16s needed. Seapower Magazine reported earlier this month the F-16s could come from Air National Guard units.

The Drive reported the F-16s will be used for aggressor training, or to act as enemy forces in air-to-air training.
 
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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:52 am

johns624 wrote:
OP, now do you know why they need the F15X?


It's not because you couldn't buy F-16s or F-35s.
 
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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:28 pm

kitplane01 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
OP, now do you know why they need the F15X?


It's not because you couldn't buy F-16s or F-35s.
What is the production capacity for the F35? If they have it all taken, they still need more fighters, which is where the F15EX comes into play. In your other thread, you talk about the "huge" RCS of the F15. What about the F16, which you're promoting? It may not quite as big, but it's nowhere near as adaptable and capable of carrying a large and varied payload.
 
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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:23 pm

johns624 wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
OP, now do you know why they need the F15X?


It's not because you couldn't buy F-16s or F-35s.
What is the production capacity for the F35? If they have it all taken, they still need more fighters, which is where the F15EX comes into play. In your other thread, you talk about the "huge" RCS of the F15. What about the F16, which you're promoting? It may not quite as big, but it's nowhere near as adaptable and capable of carrying a large and varied payload.

They are building the F-35 in the same building the F-16 was built in, and in it's hey days as the F-16 plant, it built hundreds of F-16's a year.

Also, the F-16 has seen a number of upgrades to reduce the RCS of the aircraft; these upgrades were done as part of the HAVE GLASS modification programs, and is readily apparent on USAF F-16's, especially the Wild Weasel aircraft.

The current production variant of the F-16 is the Block 70/72, currently being built at Lockheed Martin's Greenville, SC plant. Basically, a F-16 Block 50/52+ fitted with a new AESA radar, IRST, new avionics, and some structural upgrades. Currently on order for Bahrain, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Taiwan and Morocco.
 
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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:57 pm

johns624 wrote:
which is where the F15EX comes into play. I


The F-15EX comes in to play because if they have to retrain the F-15C pilots for the F-35, they will have a capacity gap during this time. This will be the same if they bought more F-16 and have to re-train those F-15 pilots.

So the question is couldn't they just train new F-35s or F-16 pilots? Apparently not fast enough.

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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:59 am

johns624 wrote:
OP, now do you know why they need the F15X?


Former Air Force Secretary Heather Wilson said that the Air Force did not request the F-15EXs in its initial FY2020 budget submission. This proposal appears to have been added by the Office of the Secretary of Defenseduring the budget build process, without a request for proposals or explanation.
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Although the F-15EX acquisition was proposed as a sole-source contract outside of the normal requirements-definition process, Congress acted to retroactively require much of the same documentation


So basically the air force were told that some of their budget ( stated to be equivalent to 72 F-35 ) was being redirected to acquire F-15EX, and later the air force was told to draw-up plans for their adoption, testing and sustainment.
 
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Re: USAF plans drop 421 fighters, buy 304

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:47 am

ELBOB wrote:
So basically the air force were told


As I recall, the Air Force was not a monolith with respect to this decision. Though the initial request did not include the F-15EX, there was a faction in the Air Force who proposed it. This is not surprising as during any brain storm session to address the capacity gap, buying more F-15s would have been discussed.

It seems that after the initial decision, the idea gained more traction as with the 2022 un-funded budget request, the Air Force requested more F-15EX and not more F-35 as they will be waiting for the new block point to be available before ordering more.

And note that the person who "told" the Air Force to buy the F-15 never was confirmed as Sec Def, but the idea lived on.

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