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FGITD wrote:There are all the stories like working in a position that’s a 10 minute walk from the bathroom, and only given 15 minute breaks, and so on.
FGITD wrote:I think the main issue with Bezos is that a good portion of his employees work in absolutely terrible conditions with terrible pay and benefits, and extremely high turnover as a result. There are all the stories like working in a position that’s a 10 minute walk from the bathroom, and only given 15 minute breaks, and so on.
I can’t fault him for not wanting to spend his own money solving the world’s problems, but at least take care of the people who work for you.
FGITD wrote:I think the main issue with Bezos is that a good portion of his employees work in absolutely terrible conditions with terrible pay and benefits, and extremely high turnover as a result. There are all the stories like working in a position that’s a 10 minute walk from the bathroom, and only given 15 minute breaks, and so on.
I can’t fault him for not wanting to spend his own money solving the world’s problems, but at least take care of the people who work for you.
TWA772LR wrote:FGITD wrote:I think the main issue with Bezos is that a good portion of his employees work in absolutely terrible conditions with terrible pay and benefits, and extremely high turnover as a result. There are all the stories like working in a position that’s a 10 minute walk from the bathroom, and only given 15 minute breaks, and so on.
I can’t fault him for not wanting to spend his own money solving the world’s problems, but at least take care of the people who work for you.
I read saw somewhere that the conditions are designed that way to they can keep labor costs low via high turnover.
Heinkel wrote:What I see is a discussion about social and labour conditions at Amazon.
This is not aviation or space flight related.
FGITD wrote:GDB wrote:
This however, for me is Wally Funk's day, if it is the case that Bezos is stepping back from Amazon to devote more time to Blue Origin, this flight will likely make him even more focused.
Not to give Bezos much credit, but the Wally Funk point and the “crew” selection by BO was definitely a much better PR move then Virgin. I’m glad she finally got her opportunity to fly. Even the rest of them were good choices. If you founded your own company to go to space, who wouldn’t want to bring their own sibling along to share that moment? The Dutch kid…well, his family paid so he got to go, but at least his age makes him a little more noteworthy.
I wonder if Musk is getting jealous and wants to take a ride into orbit…
Aesma wrote:FGITD wrote:GDB wrote:
This however, for me is Wally Funk's day, if it is the case that Bezos is stepping back from Amazon to devote more time to Blue Origin, this flight will likely make him even more focused.
Not to give Bezos much credit, but the Wally Funk point and the “crew” selection by BO was definitely a much better PR move then Virgin. I’m glad she finally got her opportunity to fly. Even the rest of them were good choices. If you founded your own company to go to space, who wouldn’t want to bring their own sibling along to share that moment? The Dutch kid…well, his family paid so he got to go, but at least his age makes him a little more noteworthy.
I wonder if Musk is getting jealous and wants to take a ride into orbit…
I heard Musk had a Virgin Galactic ticket ?
I think Branson was in a different position, on the one hand, his spacecraft had already had successful manned space flights, on the other hand it also had a deadly crash, so going with employees made sense.
bikerthai wrote:I suspect Virgin is probably set up to pamper their customers better. And Musk does like his butt kissed.
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RJMAZ wrote:Blue origin is a joke of a company.
bikerthai wrote:RJMAZ wrote:Blue origin is a joke of a company.
So was Amazon when they started out.
Criticizing a company without knowing it's mission statement, it's business plan, or the people who work there make make a joke out of your statement.
Blue Origin engineering team pulled a lot from the local aerospace giant neighbor, Boeing. Sure you can point to the mis-step that Boeing made recently, but mow many of those issues came from management and how many came from the technical team?
You can criticize Amazon for its lobying and pay practice, but how can you doubt their business plan.
You don't start out a space race by shooting for the moon. You start by acquiring experience one small step at a time, all the way from how to design a rocket to seting up an infrastructure for a complete space system.
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bikerthai wrote:RJMAZ wrote:Blue origin is a joke of a company.
So was Amazon when they started out.
Criticizing a company without knowing it's mission statement, it's business plan, or the people who work there make make a joke out of your statement.
Blue Origin engineering team pulled a lot from the local aerospace giant neighbor, Boeing. Sure you can point to the mis-step that Boeing made recently, but mow many of those issues came from management and how many came from the technical team?
You can criticize Amazon for its lobying and pay practice, but how can you doubt their business plan.
You don't start out a space race by shooting for the moon. You start by acquiring experience one small step at a time, all the way from how to design a rocket to seting up an infrastructure for a complete space system.
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Nomadd wrote:No amount of money or skill can make up for the environment that exists in that company.
bikerthai wrote:Nomadd wrote:No amount of money or skill can make up for the environment that exists in that company.
Not sure that the environment at Blue Origin would be the same as it would be at Amazon.
The two company have different mission statements, such as Space X and Tesla have different mission statements.
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FGITD wrote:Whoever thinks of the names at Blue Origin needs
FGITD wrote:Apparently some of BO’s advisers to Bezos claimed a fully reusable booster/vehicle wasn’t feasible and the odds they’d ever land one were insurmountable.
bikerthai wrote:FGITD wrote:Whoever thinks of the names at Blue Origin needs
Blue Origin is more organic than Space-X.
A hundred years from now, our dependent will look back at us from some far away colony, Blue Origin will evoke more spiritual meaning even if Space X becomes dominant.FGITD wrote:Apparently some of BO’s advisers to Bezos claimed a fully reusable booster/vehicle wasn’t feasible and the odds they’d ever land one were insurmountable.
And good for him to have those types of advisors among the yes men. You need to have contrairian views to avoid group think. The trick is debate and analyze all the possibilities, and have constructive arguments to address all the reasons why those advisors said it can't be done.
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FGITD wrote:a true space faring species, no one is going to care about the spiritual Origin of the name of the company that may or may not have gotten them there.
FGITD wrote:but BO seems to lean too heavily on them.
bikerthai wrote:RJMAZ wrote:Blue origin is a joke of a company.
So was Amazon when they started out.
Criticizing a company without knowing it's mission statement, it's business plan, or the people who work there make make a joke out of your statement.
Blue Origin engineering team pulled a lot from the local aerospace giant neighbor, Boeing. Sure you can point to the mis-step that Boeing made recently, but mow many of those issues came from management and how many came from the technical team?
You can criticize Amazon for its lobying and pay practice, but how can you doubt their business plan.
You don't start out a space race by shooting for the moon. You start by acquiring experience one small step at a time, all the way from how to design a rocket to seting up an infrastructure for a complete space system.
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chimborazo wrote:if those folks get their astronaut wings then we should all get pilot wings by travelling on a commercial flight. They were pure passengers.
chimborazo wrote:Okay, A race was already on at that point (THE space race was already won by the Soviets). The experience to get to the moon was then acquired step by step.
chimborazo wrote:then he will be an astronaut (assuming he has some involvement in the operation of the flight).
bikerthai wrote:chimborazo wrote:then he will be an astronaut (assuming he has some involvement in the operation of the flight).
Curious. Do mission specialists get astronaut "wings"? Do they cross train to be a vehicle pilot?
I mean the USAF give "wings" to drone pilots. Will space craft pilots be called astronauts if they never leave the earth? I guess the wings will have less meaning over time. But right now, the experience has more meaning than a label or a trinket.
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