Slugman, the whole discussion and the other projects I said were military, we aren't in the civilian area here. You haven't acknowledged you were wrong about the J-15 and haven't given and justification for any other claims, ignoring the BRICs bonkers as well.
So back to the original stupidness, how can Russia buy some FC-31s that are only one maybe two prototypes that won't be ready for production for 10 years. China doesn't even operate them!!!!!
Except you never said a military example. You said "a single other" agreement. Which I did. And I'm not exactly wrong about the J-15. I didn't know that they acquired a single Su-33 prototype from Ukraine. However, most of the J-15 development came from the Su-27s they acquired from Russia. And still operate. They no doubt reverse engineered some improvements from the Su-33, which did upset Russia.
The J-15 further developed into the J-16. China also has Su-30s. But given that Russia still supplies engines, there is obviously some sort of compensation going on. And Russia still allowed them to acquire the much newer Su-35.
There is at least 3 prototypes of the FC-31, the wings and vertical tails have changes among all three. This is a lot further along than Russia's new mockup, which currently has to be towed around. Pooling their cash flow together would obviously have production advantages and speed things up.
I really dont get why you're so upset by this.
Again, one poor example outside of what we are rugging about does not a justification make.
Why I care, because you are spouting stuff like it is true when it is actually rubbish. FYI J-16 came from J-11 not J-15, they are totally different aircraft. If you can't get the basic poo right then what else also smells funny?
I never said anything "like it is true". The whole thing is a mute point anyway, given that it is being offered by Sukhoi, and not Mikoyan. All I was saying is, it would be cheaper for Mikoyan to approach Shenyang to license build a variant of the FC-31 Instead of a clean sheet, if they wanted a 5th gen offering. I was simply playing off a comment from a previous poster.
Anything more than that, was your interpretation of what I was actually saying. Maybe poor wording on my part.
I shouldn't have to spell out the obvious, but yes the J-16 came from the J-11. So did the J-15. Considering the J-15 is a single seat carrier fighter, and the J-16 is a 2 seat conventional fighter, the J-16 would not need the HD components and structural integrity the J-15 needs. By "further developed" I was only implying the applicable improvements that went into the J-15. If there were no improvements to take, they would have just kept building new build J-11s.....
This is seriously off topic now though.