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Future E-7A buy

Thu Oct 21, 2021 12:56 pm

More ground work is being done to evaluate (justify?) the purchase of the E-7A for the USAF.

https://breakingdefense.com/2021/10/the ... wedgetail/

According to an Oct. 19 notice posted on SAM.gov, the service will “award a sole source Time and Materials (T&M) contract to The Boeing Company to perform studies, analyses, and activities required to ascertain the current E-7A baseline configuration and determine what additional work the government might need to accomplish meeting USAF configuration standards and mandates.”


Additional intrigue would be how this would impact the Korean E-X evaluation.

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... dar-planes

And whether a bulk US buy would drop the price enough for the UK to get their numbers back to 5.

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Re: Future E-7A buy

Thu Oct 21, 2021 3:34 pm

Being snippy, the US Air Force has no intention of using any capability anyone else has in the Wedgetail, they will want to put their stamp on every single thing, so following that logic, why not simply put up their requirements in a RFP and be done with it, let the congress work out whether they want to support local industry versus go international.
The E3 has been around for decades, the actual need is known, a frame that has high dispatch reliability, where this will get screwed up is in all the little fancy things will will prevent the systems from tracking any a/c flying within its radar range because they can't identify the paint on the a/c.
 
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Re: Future E-7A buy

Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:26 pm

The UK configuration by nature is slightly different from the Korean or even the RAAF configuration due to computer hardware obsolescence. By the time the USAF finalize their requirements, some hardware on the UK aircraft will also be obsolete.

Way back when the Wedgetail was designed, the radar module was designed at a specific voltage. There was talk that if they could increase the voltage, they could shrink the design or have a more powerful radar. The risk was higher with more development to which they did not have time.

Perhaps the technology has caught up to where if they put in some money now, they can get a better radar.

Not saying this is the case here though. Not sure what system mentioned in the article is all about.

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Re: Future E-7A buy

Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:32 pm

A good first step in the E-3 replacement. Buying the Wedgetail is a no-brainer. It is best in class, has combat hours under its belt and an open architecture for future needs. Guys can also train with the C-40/P-8 crews.
 
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Re: Future E-7A buy

Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:57 pm

In the Pacific theater, it would be interoperable with ROK and RAAF.

As for competitive bidding, are there any platform readily available out there that is suitable for the Pacific theater? The distances there are vast.

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Re: Future E-7A buy

Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:30 pm

The P-8 would be a good frame for this, it has in flight refueling, already has defense capability and hard points. It could possibly be a Maxed P-8, but I think the current engines would be preferred to keep maintenance simple.

Often this kind of study provides the specific information for an RFP, I see similar things in the DOD facility realm. Similarly, with the B-52, Boeing did a lot of studies that were used for RFP's, one was the re-engine.
 
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Re: Future E-7A buy

Fri Oct 22, 2021 6:57 pm

They will not use a P-8 frame which is based on a -800. The E-7 is based on a -700. Where the P-8A bombay is now, the E-7 has electronic hardware relating to the Radar.

The engineering required to put the E-7 radar on a P-8 frame would not allow you to build the first one by the time they are needed. Predicted 2025 when China will have the capability ro invade Taiwan.

The time line is also another reason to avoid a competitive bid. They already know how much it should cost thru the UK contract.

I see this study is strictly how to incorporate some unique US electronic systems - is there enough room in the equipment racks, where to place any additional antennas (crown space is a premium on the E-7), will there be enough power and cooling . . .

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Re: Future E-7A buy

Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:36 pm

bikerthai wrote:
They will not use a P-8 frame which is based on a -800. The E-7 is based on a -700. Where the P-8A bombay is now, the E-7 has electronic hardware relating to the Radar.


The problem is that the -700 as such is not produced anymore. There are multiple directions here (including basically producing the NG -700 again) but it's not something they can just pull off the line now.
 
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Re: Future E-7A buy

Sat Oct 23, 2021 12:21 am

N328KF wrote:
There are multiple directions here (including basically producing the NG -700 again) but it's not something they can just pull off the line now.


They were going to do it for 3 of the 5 UK E-7A frames. Now they will only build one new -700 frame.

As long as the P-8A production is active Boeing can build the NG frame without much disruption.

That is one of the reason why the AF is fastracking this evaluation. As soon as no more orders for the P-8A is logged, the NG line will shut down, and the only avenue left would be to pull off some low hours commercial frame, which is probably a pipe dream.

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Re: Future E-7A buy

Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:37 pm

More talk from Boeing that this is essentially a done deal.

https://breakingdefense.sites.breakingm ... ec-claims/ tiallly
 
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Re: Future E-7A buy

Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:56 pm

More work for OKC!

Also if the USAF finalize on these frames, don't be surprised for the ROK, UK and RAAF to tack on some more to get a group discount.

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Re: Future E-7A buy

Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:29 am

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Re: Future E-7A buy

Mon Nov 15, 2021 6:15 am

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
Just arrived in Seattle

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Nice, is it for the UK Wedgetail?

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Re: Future E-7A buy

Mon Nov 15, 2021 2:18 pm

chiki wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
Just arrived in Seattle

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Nice, is it for the UK Wedgetail?

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Yes

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