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KC-46A firing order :
EMD :
L/N 1065 C/N 41273 B767-2LKC N461FT 11-46001 USAF KC-46A (VH001) EMD1
L/N 1066 C/N 41274 B767-2LKC N464KC 11-46002 USAF KC-46A (VH002) EMD4
L/N 1067 C/N 34054 B767-2LKC N463FT 11-46003 USAF KC-46A (VH003) EMD3
L/N 1069 C/N 41275 B767-2LKC N462KC 11-46004 USAF KC-46A (VH004) EMD2
LRIP #1 :
L/N 1091 C/N 41852 B767-2LKC N842BA 15-46005 USAF KC-46A (VH005) LRIP 1, #1/7
L/N 1092 C/N 41983 B767-2LKC N884BA 15-46006 USAF KC-46A (VH006) LRIP 1, #2/7
L/N 1098 C/N 41855 B767-2LKC 15-46007 USAF KC-46A (VH007) LRIP 1, #3/7, tail 56007
L/N 1100 C/N 41856 B767-2LKC 15-46008 USAF KC-46A (VH008) LRIP 1, #4/7, tail 56008
L/N 1102 C/N 41858 B767-2LKC 15-46009 USAF KC-46A (VH009) LRIP 1, #5/7, N50217, tail 56009
Note : ALL 767’s built after L/N 1102 are not indicated anymore with Boeing customer codes in FAA documentation, however internal Boeing documentation is still indicating the customer code.
L/N 1104 C/N 41859 B767-2LKC 15-46010 USAF KC-46A (VH010) LRIP 1, #6/7, tail 56010
L/N 1107 C/N 34106 B767-2LKC 15-46011 USAF KC-46A (VH011) LRIP 1, #7/7, tail 56011
LRIP #2
L/N 1109 C/N 34107 B767-2LKC 16-46012 USAF KC-46A (VH012) LRIP 2, #01/12, N1785B, tail 66012
L/N 1111 C/N 34109 B767-2LKC 16-46013 USAF KC-46A (VH013) LRIP 2, #02/12, N55061, tail 66013
L/N 1113 C/N 34105 B767-2LKC 16-46014 USAF KC-46A (VH014) LRIP 2, #03/12, tail 66014
L/N 1114 C/N 34134 B767-2LKC 16-46015 USAF KC-46A (VH015) LRIP 2, #04/12, tail 66015
L/N 1116 C/N 41860 B767-2LKC 16-46016 USAF KC-46A (VH016) LRIP 2, #05/12, tail 66016
L/N 1117 C/N 34108 B767-2LKC 16-46017 USAF KC-46A (VH017) LRIP 2, #06/12, tail 66017
L/N 1119 C/N 34135 B767-2LKC 16-46018 USAF KC-46A (VH018) LRIP 2, #07/12, tail 66018
L/N 1120 C/N 34138 B767-2LKC 16-46019 USAF KC-46A (VH019) LRIP 2, #08/12, N5514K, tail 66019
L/N 1122 C/N 34137 B767-2LKC 16-46020 USAF KC-46A (VH020) LRIP 2, #09/12, N5514V, tail 66020
L/N 1124 C/N 34139 B767-2LKC 16-46021 USAF KC-46A (VH021) LRIP 2, #10/12, N5514X, tail 66021
L/N 1126 C/N 34136 B767-2LKC 16-46022 USAF KC-46A (VH022) LRIP 2, #11/12, N5573S, tail 66022
L/N 1128 C/N 41861 B767-2LKC 16-46023 USAF KC-46A (VH023) LRIP 2, #12/12, N6018N, tail 66023
LRIP #3
L/N 1129 C/N 34121 B767-2LKC 17-46024 USAF KC-46A (VH024) LRIP 3, #01/15, N5514J, tail 76024
L/N 1131 C/N 41863 B767-2LKC 17-46025 USAF KC-46A (VH025) LRIP 3, #02/15, tail 76025
L/N 1132 C/N 34127 B767-2LKC 17-46026 USAF KC-46A (VH026) LRIP 3, #03/15, N6018N, tail 76026
L/N 1134 C/N 34126 B767-2LKC 17-46027 USAF KC-46A (VH027) LRIP 3, #04/15, tail 76027
L/N 1135 C/N 34124 B767-2LKC 17-46028 USAF KC-46A (VH028) LRIP 3, #05/15, N55141, tail 76028
L/N 1137 C/N 34110 B767-2LKC 17-46029 USAF KC-46A (VH029) LRIP 3, #06/15, tail 76029
L/N 1139 C/N 34112 B767-2LKC 17-46030 USAF KC-46A (VH030) LRIP 3, #07/15, tail 76030
L/N 1143 C/N 34115 B767-2LKC 17-46031 USAF KC-46A (VH031) LRIP3, #08/15, N5513X, tail 76031
L/N 1145 C/N 34111 B767-2LKC 17-46032 USAF KC-46A (VH032) LRIP3, #09/15, tail 76032
L/N 1147 C/N 34113 B767-2LKC 17-46033 USAF KC-46A (VH033) LRIP3, #10/15, N5016R, tail 76033
L/N 1149 C/N 34114 B767-2LKC 17-46034 USAF KC-46A (VH034) LRIP3, #11/15, tail 76034
L/N 1151 C/N 41864 B767-2LKC 17-46035 USAF KC-46A (VH035) LRIP3, #12/15, N5017V, tail 76035
L/N 1154 C/N 34091 B767-2LKC 17-46036 USAF KC-46A (VH036) LRIP3, #13/15, tail 76036
L/N 1156 C/N 41984 B767-2LKC 17-46037 USAF KC-46A (VH037) LRIP3, #14/15, tail 76037
L/N 1158 C/N 41985 B767-2LKC 17-46038 USAF KC-46A (VH038) LRIP3, #15/15, tail 76038
Lot #4
L/N 1160 C/N 34089 B767-2LKC 18-46039 USAF KC-46A (VH039) Lot 4, #01/18, N1785B, tail 86039
L/N 1162 C/N 34087 B767-2LKC 18-46040 USAF KC-46A (VH040) Lot 4, #02/18, tail 86040
L/N 1164 C/N 34088 B767-2LKC 18-46041 USAF KC-46A (VH041) Lot 4, #03/18, tail 86041
L/N 1166 C/N 34090 B767-2LKC 18-46042 USAF KC-46A (VH042) Lot 4, #04/18, tail 86042
L/N 1168 C/N 34092 B767-2LKC 18-46043 USAF KC-46A (VH043) Lot 4, #05/18, tail 86043
L/N 1170 C/N 34086 B767-2LKC 18-46044 USAF KC-46A (VH044) Lot 4, #06/18, tail 86044
L/N 1172 C/N 41865 B767-2LKC 18-46045 USAF KC-46A (VH045) Lot 4, #07/18, tail 86045
L/N 1174 C/N 41866 B767-2LKC 18-46046 USAF KC-46A (VH046) Lot 4, #08/18, tail 86046
L/N 1176 C/N 41867 B767-2LKC 18-46047 USAF KC-46A (VH047) Lot 4, #09/18, tail 86047
L/N 1178 C/N 34141 B767-2LKC 18-46048 USAF KC-46A (VH048) Lot 4, #10/18, N1794B, tail 86048
L/N 1181 C/N 34140 B767-2LKC 18-46049 USAF KC-46A (VH049) Lot 4, #11/18, N5510E, tail 86049
L/N 1184 C/N 34052 B767-2LKC 18-46050 USAF KC-46A (VH050) Lot 4, #12/18, N5511Z, tail 86050
L/N 1188 C/N 41868 B767-2LKC 18-46051 USAF KC-46A (VH051) Lot 4, #13/18, tail 86051
Note : LN 1190 was the final 767 to display in Boeing internal documentation with a Boeing Customer code. All 767 frames from LN 1191 forwards are now simply -300F or -2C for the tankers.
L/N 1192 C/N 41870 B767-2C 18-46052 USAF KC-46A (VH052) Lot 4, #14/18, N5514K, tail 86052
L/N 1196 C/N 41873 B767-2C 18-46053 USAF KC-46A (VH053) Lot 4, #15/18, N1785B, tail 86053
L/N 1200 C/N 41874 B767-2C 18-46054 USAF KC-46A (VH054) Lot 4, #16/18, N5028Y, tail 86054
L/N 1202 C/N 41878 B767-2C 18-46055 USAF KC-46A (VH055) Lot 4, #17/18, tail 86055
L/N 1205 C/N 41881 B767-2C 18-46056 USAF KC-46A (VH056) Lot 4, #18/18, N5514J, tail 86056
L/N 1207 C/N 66585 B767-2C 14-3611 JASDF KC-46A (VH401)
Lot #5
L/N 1210 C/N 41879 B767-2C 19-46057 USAF KC-46A (VH057) Lot 5, #01/15, tail 96057
L/N 1213 C/N 41884 B767-2C 19-46058 USAF KC-46A (VH058) Lot 5, #02/15, tail 96058
L/N 1216 C/N 41885 B767-2C 19-46059 USAF KC-46A (VH059) Lot 5, #03/15, tail 96059
L/N 1219 C/N 41883 B767-2C 19-46060 USAF KC-46A (VH060) Lot 5, #04/15, tail 96060
L/N 1223 C/N 41886 B767-2C 19-46061 USAF KC-46A (VH061) Lot 5, #05/15, tail 96061
L/N 1226 C/N 41888 B767-2C 19-46062 USAF KC-46A (VH062) Lot 5, #06/15, tail 96062
L/N 1230 C/N 41889 B767-2C 19-46063 USAF KC-46A (VH063) Lot 5, #07/15, tail 96063
L/N 1234 unk KC-46A
L/N 1236 unk KC-46A
L/N 1238 unk KC-46A
L/N 1241 unk KC-46A
Delivered : 42
EMD :
L/N 1065 C/N 41273 B767-2LKC N461FT 11-46001 USAF KC-46A (VH001) EMD1
L/N 1066 C/N 41274 B767-2LKC N464KC 11-46002 USAF KC-46A (VH002) EMD4
L/N 1067 C/N 34054 B767-2LKC N463FT 11-46003 USAF KC-46A (VH003) EMD3
L/N 1069 C/N 41275 B767-2LKC N462KC 11-46004 USAF KC-46A (VH004) EMD2
LRIP #1 :
L/N 1091 C/N 41852 B767-2LKC N842BA 15-46005 USAF KC-46A (VH005) LRIP 1, #1/7
L/N 1092 C/N 41983 B767-2LKC N884BA 15-46006 USAF KC-46A (VH006) LRIP 1, #2/7
L/N 1098 C/N 41855 B767-2LKC 15-46007 USAF KC-46A (VH007) LRIP 1, #3/7, tail 56007
L/N 1100 C/N 41856 B767-2LKC 15-46008 USAF KC-46A (VH008) LRIP 1, #4/7, tail 56008
L/N 1102 C/N 41858 B767-2LKC 15-46009 USAF KC-46A (VH009) LRIP 1, #5/7, N50217, tail 56009
Note : ALL 767’s built after L/N 1102 are not indicated anymore with Boeing customer codes in FAA documentation, however internal Boeing documentation is still indicating the customer code.
L/N 1104 C/N 41859 B767-2LKC 15-46010 USAF KC-46A (VH010) LRIP 1, #6/7, tail 56010
L/N 1107 C/N 34106 B767-2LKC 15-46011 USAF KC-46A (VH011) LRIP 1, #7/7, tail 56011
LRIP #2
L/N 1109 C/N 34107 B767-2LKC 16-46012 USAF KC-46A (VH012) LRIP 2, #01/12, N1785B, tail 66012
L/N 1111 C/N 34109 B767-2LKC 16-46013 USAF KC-46A (VH013) LRIP 2, #02/12, N55061, tail 66013
L/N 1113 C/N 34105 B767-2LKC 16-46014 USAF KC-46A (VH014) LRIP 2, #03/12, tail 66014
L/N 1114 C/N 34134 B767-2LKC 16-46015 USAF KC-46A (VH015) LRIP 2, #04/12, tail 66015
L/N 1116 C/N 41860 B767-2LKC 16-46016 USAF KC-46A (VH016) LRIP 2, #05/12, tail 66016
L/N 1117 C/N 34108 B767-2LKC 16-46017 USAF KC-46A (VH017) LRIP 2, #06/12, tail 66017
L/N 1119 C/N 34135 B767-2LKC 16-46018 USAF KC-46A (VH018) LRIP 2, #07/12, tail 66018
L/N 1120 C/N 34138 B767-2LKC 16-46019 USAF KC-46A (VH019) LRIP 2, #08/12, N5514K, tail 66019
L/N 1122 C/N 34137 B767-2LKC 16-46020 USAF KC-46A (VH020) LRIP 2, #09/12, N5514V, tail 66020
L/N 1124 C/N 34139 B767-2LKC 16-46021 USAF KC-46A (VH021) LRIP 2, #10/12, N5514X, tail 66021
L/N 1126 C/N 34136 B767-2LKC 16-46022 USAF KC-46A (VH022) LRIP 2, #11/12, N5573S, tail 66022
L/N 1128 C/N 41861 B767-2LKC 16-46023 USAF KC-46A (VH023) LRIP 2, #12/12, N6018N, tail 66023
LRIP #3
L/N 1129 C/N 34121 B767-2LKC 17-46024 USAF KC-46A (VH024) LRIP 3, #01/15, N5514J, tail 76024
L/N 1131 C/N 41863 B767-2LKC 17-46025 USAF KC-46A (VH025) LRIP 3, #02/15, tail 76025
L/N 1132 C/N 34127 B767-2LKC 17-46026 USAF KC-46A (VH026) LRIP 3, #03/15, N6018N, tail 76026
L/N 1134 C/N 34126 B767-2LKC 17-46027 USAF KC-46A (VH027) LRIP 3, #04/15, tail 76027
L/N 1135 C/N 34124 B767-2LKC 17-46028 USAF KC-46A (VH028) LRIP 3, #05/15, N55141, tail 76028
L/N 1137 C/N 34110 B767-2LKC 17-46029 USAF KC-46A (VH029) LRIP 3, #06/15, tail 76029
L/N 1139 C/N 34112 B767-2LKC 17-46030 USAF KC-46A (VH030) LRIP 3, #07/15, tail 76030
L/N 1143 C/N 34115 B767-2LKC 17-46031 USAF KC-46A (VH031) LRIP3, #08/15, N5513X, tail 76031
L/N 1145 C/N 34111 B767-2LKC 17-46032 USAF KC-46A (VH032) LRIP3, #09/15, tail 76032
L/N 1147 C/N 34113 B767-2LKC 17-46033 USAF KC-46A (VH033) LRIP3, #10/15, N5016R, tail 76033
L/N 1149 C/N 34114 B767-2LKC 17-46034 USAF KC-46A (VH034) LRIP3, #11/15, tail 76034
L/N 1151 C/N 41864 B767-2LKC 17-46035 USAF KC-46A (VH035) LRIP3, #12/15, N5017V, tail 76035
L/N 1154 C/N 34091 B767-2LKC 17-46036 USAF KC-46A (VH036) LRIP3, #13/15, tail 76036
L/N 1156 C/N 41984 B767-2LKC 17-46037 USAF KC-46A (VH037) LRIP3, #14/15, tail 76037
L/N 1158 C/N 41985 B767-2LKC 17-46038 USAF KC-46A (VH038) LRIP3, #15/15, tail 76038
Lot #4
L/N 1160 C/N 34089 B767-2LKC 18-46039 USAF KC-46A (VH039) Lot 4, #01/18, N1785B, tail 86039
L/N 1162 C/N 34087 B767-2LKC 18-46040 USAF KC-46A (VH040) Lot 4, #02/18, tail 86040
L/N 1164 C/N 34088 B767-2LKC 18-46041 USAF KC-46A (VH041) Lot 4, #03/18, tail 86041
L/N 1166 C/N 34090 B767-2LKC 18-46042 USAF KC-46A (VH042) Lot 4, #04/18, tail 86042
L/N 1168 C/N 34092 B767-2LKC 18-46043 USAF KC-46A (VH043) Lot 4, #05/18, tail 86043
L/N 1170 C/N 34086 B767-2LKC 18-46044 USAF KC-46A (VH044) Lot 4, #06/18, tail 86044
L/N 1172 C/N 41865 B767-2LKC 18-46045 USAF KC-46A (VH045) Lot 4, #07/18, tail 86045
L/N 1174 C/N 41866 B767-2LKC 18-46046 USAF KC-46A (VH046) Lot 4, #08/18, tail 86046
L/N 1176 C/N 41867 B767-2LKC 18-46047 USAF KC-46A (VH047) Lot 4, #09/18, tail 86047
L/N 1178 C/N 34141 B767-2LKC 18-46048 USAF KC-46A (VH048) Lot 4, #10/18, N1794B, tail 86048
L/N 1181 C/N 34140 B767-2LKC 18-46049 USAF KC-46A (VH049) Lot 4, #11/18, N5510E, tail 86049
L/N 1184 C/N 34052 B767-2LKC 18-46050 USAF KC-46A (VH050) Lot 4, #12/18, N5511Z, tail 86050
L/N 1188 C/N 41868 B767-2LKC 18-46051 USAF KC-46A (VH051) Lot 4, #13/18, tail 86051
Note : LN 1190 was the final 767 to display in Boeing internal documentation with a Boeing Customer code. All 767 frames from LN 1191 forwards are now simply -300F or -2C for the tankers.
L/N 1192 C/N 41870 B767-2C 18-46052 USAF KC-46A (VH052) Lot 4, #14/18, N5514K, tail 86052
L/N 1196 C/N 41873 B767-2C 18-46053 USAF KC-46A (VH053) Lot 4, #15/18, N1785B, tail 86053
L/N 1200 C/N 41874 B767-2C 18-46054 USAF KC-46A (VH054) Lot 4, #16/18, N5028Y, tail 86054
L/N 1202 C/N 41878 B767-2C 18-46055 USAF KC-46A (VH055) Lot 4, #17/18, tail 86055
L/N 1205 C/N 41881 B767-2C 18-46056 USAF KC-46A (VH056) Lot 4, #18/18, N5514J, tail 86056
L/N 1207 C/N 66585 B767-2C 14-3611 JASDF KC-46A (VH401)
Lot #5
L/N 1210 C/N 41879 B767-2C 19-46057 USAF KC-46A (VH057) Lot 5, #01/15, tail 96057
L/N 1213 C/N 41884 B767-2C 19-46058 USAF KC-46A (VH058) Lot 5, #02/15, tail 96058
L/N 1216 C/N 41885 B767-2C 19-46059 USAF KC-46A (VH059) Lot 5, #03/15, tail 96059
L/N 1219 C/N 41883 B767-2C 19-46060 USAF KC-46A (VH060) Lot 5, #04/15, tail 96060
L/N 1223 C/N 41886 B767-2C 19-46061 USAF KC-46A (VH061) Lot 5, #05/15, tail 96061
L/N 1226 C/N 41888 B767-2C 19-46062 USAF KC-46A (VH062) Lot 5, #06/15, tail 96062
L/N 1230 C/N 41889 B767-2C 19-46063 USAF KC-46A (VH063) Lot 5, #07/15, tail 96063
L/N 1234 unk KC-46A
L/N 1236 unk KC-46A
L/N 1238 unk KC-46A
L/N 1241 unk KC-46A
Delivered : 42
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Happy New Year! FIrst post ever for me. Anyone have the delivery information on these tankers? I'm talking about the paperwork transfer date, that you USED to be able to see on the BOE website. I know the "delivery date" for the P-8A Poseidon is the date of first flight, but I can't find anything similar for these 767s. I can find the day it flies away on "delivery" to the USAF, but that's not the date to the "BDS USAF Tanker Program". Any help is appreciated!!
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RickyRadar wrote:Happy New Year! FIrst post ever for me. Anyone have the delivery information on these tankers? I'm talking about the paperwork transfer date, that you USED to be able to see on the BOE website. I know the "delivery date" for the P-8A Poseidon is the date of first flight, but I can't find anything similar for these 767s. I can find the day it flies away on "delivery" to the USAF, but that's not the date to the "BDS USAF Tanker Program". Any help is appreciated!!
I don't know how they do it today, But when I was in the The USAF did not 'officially' accept a new airplane delivery until it was on USAF property (its first assigned base) and it was accepted by maintenance. Only then was the aircraft considered 'delivered' by the USAF and the check to pay for it was given to the OEM. However, if there was an accident while it was flying to its assigned base, with a USAF crew aboard, the USAF still had to write the check for the airplane.
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Slight thread jack, but USAF delivery and acceptance procedures also played a role in how the O-2's were delivered to South East Asia in the 60s.
https://nightrustics.org/Delivery.htm
Very, very entertaining read!
https://nightrustics.org/Delivery.htm
Very, very entertaining read!
Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
LyleLanley wrote:Slight thread jack, but USAF delivery and acceptance procedures also played a role in how the O-2's were delivered to South East Asia in the 60s.
https://nightrustics.org/Delivery.htm
Very, very entertaining read!
Very entertaining. Thank you for sharing.
Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
LyleLanley wrote:Slight thread jack, but USAF delivery and acceptance procedures also played a role in how the O-2's were delivered to South East Asia in the 60s.
https://nightrustics.org/Delivery.htm
Very, very entertaining read!
While most civilians would think how insane and non-sensical something like this is those of us were in the military just shrug our shoulders and say "Yeah, I can see that happening."
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LMP737 wrote:LyleLanley wrote:Slight thread jack, but USAF delivery and acceptance procedures also played a role in how the O-2's were delivered to South East Asia in the 60s.
https://nightrustics.org/Delivery.htm
Very, very entertaining read!
While most civilians would think how insane and non-sensical something like this is those of us were in the military just shrug our shoulders and say "Yeah, I can see that happening."
Somewhat amazing ANY O-2s got to South East Asia by that method...
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Contract awarded for 12 more KC-46: https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-relea ... tem=130805
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Revelation wrote:Contract awarded for 12 more KC-46: https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-relea ... tem=130805
And 15 more today, not bad for one week in January. What I find quite interesting is this is the 232nd modification to this contract. Total obligated is now 16.2B+1.7B+2.12B = $ 20B and 94 in total under contract, about $ 213M each on average.
The Boeing Co., Seattle, Washington, has been awarded a $2,124,531,149 modification (P00232) to contract FA8625-11-C-6600 for Lot 7 production KC-46 aircraft, subscriptions and licenses and G081 flat file. The modification provides for the exercise of an option for an additional quantity of 15 KC-46 aircraft, data, subscriptions and licenses, and G081 flat file being produced under the basic contract.
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/2477500/
https://govtribe.com/award/federal-cont ... 62511c6600
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Boeing added another charge for the KC-46 of $275 million in Q4 2020.
https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2021-01-27 ... er-Results
https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2021-01-27 ... er-Results
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USAF slowly doling out development payments pending new camera system 2.0 development/deployment (thru 2023). 42 deliveries thru Jan 14.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-holdback
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... n-holdback
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Boeing fixes two (until now) unknown cat 1 deficiencies :
- The first problem was with the APU’s duct clamps, which are used to join sections of the APU bleed ducting.
- The second problem was with the APU’s drain masts. There were quality issues with the spot weld that could potentially cause a piece to break off the aircraft.
On top of that : the Air Force does not plan to increase the acceptance rate of the KC-46 to more than two aircraft a month because it is not operationally tasking the new tankers.
See : https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ ... ficiencies
- The first problem was with the APU’s duct clamps, which are used to join sections of the APU bleed ducting.
- The second problem was with the APU’s drain masts. There were quality issues with the spot weld that could potentially cause a piece to break off the aircraft.
On top of that : the Air Force does not plan to increase the acceptance rate of the KC-46 to more than two aircraft a month because it is not operationally tasking the new tankers.
See : https://aviationweek.com/defense-space/ ... ficiencies
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Air Force General calls Boeing KC-46 "lemons"
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ade-out-of
“As I look over the 10 years, I have to say… right now where we’re at in the program is we’re making lemonade out of lemons,” General Jacqueline Van Ovost, the head of Air Mobility Command, told members of the press, as reported by the Defense One website. The embarrassing setbacks that have become an all-too-familiar aspect of the next-generation tanker program were also highlighted yesterday in an unusually candid tweet from the U.S. Transportation Command (USTRANSCOM), which admitted that problems with the tanker put “America’s ability to effectively execute day-to-day operations and war plans at risk.”
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/3 ... ade-out-of
“As I look over the 10 years, I have to say… right now where we’re at in the program is we’re making lemonade out of lemons,” General Jacqueline Van Ovost, the head of Air Mobility Command, told members of the press, as reported by the Defense One website. The embarrassing setbacks that have become an all-too-familiar aspect of the next-generation tanker program were also highlighted yesterday in an unusually candid tweet from the U.S. Transportation Command (USTRANSCOM), which admitted that problems with the tanker put “America’s ability to effectively execute day-to-day operations and war plans at risk.”
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Pease received its 12th and final KC-46 from Boeing earlier today.
https://www.facebook.com/157ARW/posts/3795436040518554
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK7cxwTMZ8t/
https://www.facebook.com/157ARW/posts/3795436040518554
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK7cxwTMZ8t/
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Runway28L wrote:Pease received its 12th and final KC-46 from Boeing earlier today.
https://www.facebook.com/157ARW/posts/3795436040518554
https://www.instagram.com/p/CK7cxwTMZ8t/
Aircraft data : L/N 1122 C/N 34137 B767-2LKC 16-46020 USAF KC-46A (VH020) LRIP 2, #09/12, N5514V, tail 66020
Delivery flight: callsign FURR13 at Feb 5th 2021
Original uploaded by Woodys Aeroimages at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 7607013377
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Amazing that even as of now it will take another 2 years to field (or begin fielding) the remote vision system 2.0 final version. They’ve had something like 8 years already to figure it out/start over and it’s obviously not done yet. Somewhere, in quiet corners, I bet some former NG KC-45 folks are chuckling at the saga.
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texl1649 wrote:, I bet some former NG KC-45 folks are chuckling at the saga.
Perhaps. A better bet would be they are relieved to have avoided a potential disaster and happy to be working on the B-3.
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Seymour Johnson AFB (916ARW) received it's next KC-46A at January 6th 2021 with callsign BACKY05
Aircraft data : L/N 1205 C/N 41881 B767-2C 18-46056 USAF KC-46A (VH056) Lot 4, #18/18, N5514J, tail 86056
Original uploaded by Woodys Aeroimages at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 8438647808
Aircraft data : L/N 1205 C/N 41881 B767-2C 18-46056 USAF KC-46A (VH056) Lot 4, #18/18, N5514J, tail 86056
Original uploaded by Woodys Aeroimages at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 8438647808
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The first JASDF KC-46A made her first (B1) flight at February 8th with callsign BOE401, see : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE ... /KPAE/KPAE
14-3611 (N6018N). KPAE, February 8th 2021
Original uploaded by Royal Scott King at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/royalscottking/stat ... 1183268865
Aircraft data : L/N 1207 C/N 66585 B767-2C 14-3611 (N6018N) JASDF KC-46A (VH401), order Dec 2017
14-3611 (N6018N). KPAE, February 8th 2021
Original uploaded by Royal Scott King at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/royalscottking/stat ... 1183268865
Aircraft data : L/N 1207 C/N 66585 B767-2C 14-3611 (N6018N) JASDF KC-46A (VH401), order Dec 2017
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The second JASDF KC-46A, L/N 1238 ( VH402), ordered in December 2018, was scheduled to be moved out of the Everett factory at February 21 2021.
Registration and serial number are still unknown.
Registration and serial number are still unknown.
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Artists impression of a future Israeli KC-46, with a digital cammo tail art. Always fond of countries that allow this, unlike the USAF.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israe ... ing-659777
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/israe ... ing-659777
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96063 is painted correctly so the others are paint errors.
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L/N 1241 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46066 USAF KC-46A (VH066) Lot 5, #10/15, tail 96066 has emerged from the FAL and has been spotted at the Everett flight line , see Matt Cawby's Paine Field blog of April 5th : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2021/04/paine- ... ril-5.html
KC-46A firing order update :
L/N 1234 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46064 USAF KC-46A (VH064) Lot 5, #08/15, tail 96064
L/N 1236 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46065 USAF KC-46A (VH065) Lot 5, #09/15, tail 96065
L/N 1238 C/N 66xxx B767-2C 14-xxxx JASDF KC-46A (VH402)
L/N 1241 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46066 USAF KC-46A (VH066) Lot 5, #10/15, tail 96066
L/N 1243 unk KC-46A
Are any serials known already ?
KC-46A firing order update :
L/N 1234 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46064 USAF KC-46A (VH064) Lot 5, #08/15, tail 96064
L/N 1236 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46065 USAF KC-46A (VH065) Lot 5, #09/15, tail 96065
L/N 1238 C/N 66xxx B767-2C 14-xxxx JASDF KC-46A (VH402)
L/N 1241 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46066 USAF KC-46A (VH066) Lot 5, #10/15, tail 96066
L/N 1243 unk KC-46A
Are any serials known already ?
Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
RobK wrote:96063 is painted correctly so the others are paint errors.
Yet another duffer !
http://www.paineairport.com/kpae19181a.htm
So 57, 58, 59, 60 are all painted wrong. 63 painted correct. Not seen painted pics of 61 or 62 yet.
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RobK wrote:RobK wrote:96063 is painted correctly so the others are paint errors.
Yet another duffer !
http://www.paineairport.com/kpae19181a.htm
So 57, 58, 59, 60 are all painted wrong. 63 painted correct. Not seen painted pics of 61 or 62 yet.
Rob,
In what way are they painted wrong?
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USAF take 2nd digit of fiscal year with last 4 digits of serial, so 18-46056 has tail number 86056, 19-46057/8/9/60 should be 96057/8/9/60 not 16057/8/9/60. 19-46063 was photographed being towed into the EMC on March 30 wearing correct number 96063.
Strictly speaking the paint job is fine, it's the serial decal application which is messed up.
Strictly speaking the paint job is fine, it's the serial decal application which is messed up.
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Wait,
If the second digit was a zero, wouldn't they have to use something else as leading zero often causes problem with many databases.
It would make sense for them to skip 2020 year.
As for making the same mistake on 4 airfames, I am highly skeptical as each serial number is provided by the Navy and the engineering documents for painting the number has to be reviewed and approved through multiple sources. A mechanic does not just paint on the any number that he may get from a list.
Even if it was painted incorrectly, DCMA should have caught it on the first airplane (even if Boeing QA did not).
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If the second digit was a zero, wouldn't they have to use something else as leading zero often causes problem with many databases.
It would make sense for them to skip 2020 year.
As for making the same mistake on 4 airfames, I am highly skeptical as each serial number is provided by the Navy and the engineering documents for painting the number has to be reviewed and approved through multiple sources. A mechanic does not just paint on the any number that he may get from a list.
Even if it was painted incorrectly, DCMA should have caught it on the first airplane (even if Boeing QA did not).
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There are plenty of US mil frames with a leading zero, or even 2. Also, as mentioned 63s number has been applied correctly and that is FY19 like the others so that makes it clear all those frames have been labelled up wrong.
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We'll see if they will correct the number before delivery. The Navy would insist on it.
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19-46071 will be the last FY19. 20-46072 is the first FY20.
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Looking at the KC-46 spreadsheet (BTW thanks so much for whoever has been keeping this data current) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 2121076296
it finally seems that the number of KC-46's lounging around PAE is dwindling. Really only 5 of the early frames on the list still to be delivered. Are they reworking the flight test aircraft for the USAF also, they have been sitting a long, long time.
it finally seems that the number of KC-46's lounging around PAE is dwindling. Really only 5 of the early frames on the list still to be delivered. Are they reworking the flight test aircraft for the USAF also, they have been sitting a long, long time.
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JayinKitsap wrote:Looking at the KC-46 spreadsheet (BTW thanks so much for whoever has been keeping this data current) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 2121076296
it finally seems that the number of KC-46's lounging around PAE is dwindling. Really only 5 of the early frames on the list still to be delivered. Are they reworking the flight test aircraft for the USAF also, they have been sitting a long, long time.
Matt Cawby just happened to post a picture of L/N1092(N884BA) and L/N1098 at the Everett Modification Center during rework.
KPAE, April 9th 2021, small electrical fire extinguished in the lower cargo hold of L/N 1098.
Original uploaded by MattCawby at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/13 ... 4283044864
Aircraft data :
L/N 1092 C/N 41983 B767-2LKC N884BA 15-46006 USAF KC46A (VH006) LRIP 1, #2/7
L/N 1098 C/N 41855 B767-2LKC 15-46007 USAF KC46A (VH007)LRIP 1, #3/7, tail 56007
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747classic wrote:JayinKitsap wrote:Looking at the KC-46 spreadsheet (BTW thanks so much for whoever has been keeping this data current) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 2121076296
it finally seems that the number of KC-46's lounging around PAE is dwindling. Really only 5 of the early frames on the list still to be delivered. Are they reworking the flight test aircraft for the USAF also, they have been sitting a long, long time.
Matt Cawby just happened to post a picture of L/N1092(N884BA) and L/N1098 at the Everett Modification Center during rework.
KPAE, April 9th 2021, small electrical fire extinguished in the lower cargo hold of L/N 1098.
Original uploaded by MattCawby at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/13 ... 4283044864
Aircraft data :
L/N 1092 C/N 41983 B767-2LKC N884BA 15-46006 USAF KC46A (VH006) LRIP 1, #2/7
L/N 1098 C/N 41855 B767-2LKC 15-46007 USAF KC46A (VH007)LRIP 1, #3/7, tail 56007
Matt always has such fine pictures. Thanks for the information.
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BOE469 19-46058 coming back to BFI from AAR testing with 462 as I write. Anyone at BFI to spot it to see if it's had its correct tail number applied yet? Should be without sticker now. Was 16058 at PAE back in January but should be 96058.
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Seymour Johnson AFB (916ARW) received it's next KC-46A at April 30th 2021 with callsign BACKY06, see : https://www.radarbox.com/data/registration/18-46055
Aircraft data : L/N 1202 C/N 41878 B767-2C 18-46055 USAF KC-46A (VH055) Lot 4, #17/18, tail 86055
18-46055 (correct number at the tail : 86055 ! ), KGSB, April 30th 2021
Original uploaded by 916th Air Refueling Wing at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/916ARW/status/1388275563572441091
Aircraft data : L/N 1202 C/N 41878 B767-2C 18-46055 USAF KC-46A (VH055) Lot 4, #17/18, tail 86055
18-46055 (correct number at the tail : 86055 ! ), KGSB, April 30th 2021
Original uploaded by 916th Air Refueling Wing at twitter, see : https://twitter.com/916ARW/status/1388275563572441091
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RobK wrote:RobK wrote:96063 is painted correctly so the others are paint errors.
Yet another duffer !
http://www.paineairport.com/kpae19181a.htm
So 57, 58, 59, 60 are all painted wrong. 63 painted correct. Not seen painted pics of 61 or 62 yet.
61 and 62 are painted correct, see Matt Cawby's Paine Field blog of May 12th : http://www.paineairport.com/kpae19276a.htm
58 still wrong, see : http://www.paineairport.com/kpae19275f.htm
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No # 67 has been spotted outside.
See Matt Cawby's Paine Field blog of May 24th 2021 : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2021/05/paine- ... ay-24.html
Detailed picture : http://www.paineairport.com/kpae19313c.htm
KC-46A Firing order update :
L/N 1234 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46064 USAF KC-46A (VH064) Lot 5, #08/15, tail 96064
L/N 1236 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46065 USAF KC-46A (VH065) Lot 5, #09/15, tail 96065
L/N 1238 C/N 66xxx B767-2C 14-xxxx JASDF KC-46A (VH402)
L/N 1241 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46066 USAF KC-46A (VH066) Lot 5, #10/15, tail 96066
L/N 1243 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46067 USAF KC-46A (VH067) Lot 5, #11/15, tail 96067
L/N 1246 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46068 USAF KC-46A (VH068) Lot 5, #12/15, tail 96068
Are any serials known already ?
See Matt Cawby's Paine Field blog of May 24th 2021 : http://kpae.blogspot.com/2021/05/paine- ... ay-24.html
Detailed picture : http://www.paineairport.com/kpae19313c.htm
KC-46A Firing order update :
L/N 1234 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46064 USAF KC-46A (VH064) Lot 5, #08/15, tail 96064
L/N 1236 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46065 USAF KC-46A (VH065) Lot 5, #09/15, tail 96065
L/N 1238 C/N 66xxx B767-2C 14-xxxx JASDF KC-46A (VH402)
L/N 1241 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46066 USAF KC-46A (VH066) Lot 5, #10/15, tail 96066
L/N 1243 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46067 USAF KC-46A (VH067) Lot 5, #11/15, tail 96067
L/N 1246 C/N xxxxxx B767-2C 19-46068 USAF KC-46A (VH068) Lot 5, #12/15, tail 96068
Are any serials known already ?
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A number of articles about the KC-46. At the same time it has been quite silent about progress toward resolving the deficiencies - Remote vision, the wing pods, and the boom force all should have been resolved long ago.
Just $ 107M for support at Seymore Johnson
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/2632139/
The first B-1B from Ellsworth AFB refueled by the KC-46. I'm guessing the KC-46 has refueled the B-1B before.
https://www.afgsc.af.mil/News/Article-D ... irst-time/
Selections are ongoing for the next KC-46 base and this one will be the Main Operating Base. MacDill in Florida and Fairfield by Spokane, WA
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/42 ... dquarters/
Travis is about to get the KC-46, along with some PR about how great it is to fly.
https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-ne ... am-to-fly/
A recent delivery to Seymour Johnson, I recall this plane was discussed above.
https://www.airforcemag.com/seymour-joh ... 5th-kc-46/
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Boeing so needs to get the KC-46 in full production and out of the poor PR situations.
Just $ 107M for support at Seymore Johnson
https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Contra ... e/2632139/
The first B-1B from Ellsworth AFB refueled by the KC-46. I'm guessing the KC-46 has refueled the B-1B before.
https://www.afgsc.af.mil/News/Article-D ... irst-time/
Selections are ongoing for the next KC-46 base and this one will be the Main Operating Base. MacDill in Florida and Fairfield by Spokane, WA
https://floridapolitics.com/archives/42 ... dquarters/
Travis is about to get the KC-46, along with some PR about how great it is to fly.
https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-ne ... am-to-fly/
A recent delivery to Seymour Johnson, I recall this plane was discussed above.
https://www.airforcemag.com/seymour-joh ... 5th-kc-46/
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Boeing so needs to get the KC-46 in full production and out of the poor PR situations.
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The boom issues suggest a bigger SNAFU than I have seen previously acknowledged:
"The KC-46A’s refuelling boom is too stiff and thus not able to extend or retract while in contact with an aircraft receiving fuel, says the Inspector General. As a result, recipient aircraft pilots have to make large engine power corrections, to adjust their aircraft’s position forward or backward to maintain contact with the refuelling boom......
the USAF imposed operational limitations on many of its other aircraft, allowing the Boeing B-52, Boeing C-17, Boeing F-15, Lockheed Martin F-16, Lockheed Martin F-35A, Lockheed Martin HC/MC-130J, McDonnell Douglas KC-10, Boeing KC-46A, and Boeing KC-135 receiver to refuel in limited conditions only.......
“Had KC-46 programme office officials effectively managed the development and testing of the refuelling boom for the KC-46A tanker, the Air Force would not have had to spend an additional $100 million for the redesign of the refuelling boom to achieve the required performance,” the report says. Retrofit work is not likely to start until January 2024 and will cost the service even more, it adds.
https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 35.article
"The KC-46A’s refuelling boom is too stiff and thus not able to extend or retract while in contact with an aircraft receiving fuel, says the Inspector General. As a result, recipient aircraft pilots have to make large engine power corrections, to adjust their aircraft’s position forward or backward to maintain contact with the refuelling boom......
the USAF imposed operational limitations on many of its other aircraft, allowing the Boeing B-52, Boeing C-17, Boeing F-15, Lockheed Martin F-16, Lockheed Martin F-35A, Lockheed Martin HC/MC-130J, McDonnell Douglas KC-10, Boeing KC-46A, and Boeing KC-135 receiver to refuel in limited conditions only.......
“Had KC-46 programme office officials effectively managed the development and testing of the refuelling boom for the KC-46A tanker, the Air Force would not have had to spend an additional $100 million for the redesign of the refuelling boom to achieve the required performance,” the report says. Retrofit work is not likely to start until January 2024 and will cost the service even more, it adds.
https://www.flightglobal.com/fixed-wing ... 35.article
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The Drive also has an article on this one. It has it's share of opinion, but is reasonable in approach...
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... eling-boom
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/4 ... eling-boom
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Not bad for the drive.
Dumb example: say a KC-46 is gonna refuel 2 4-ships of F-15s: the boomer selects ‘F-15’ on his/her mission screen so the BCU knows its limits (21 degrees right, 15 left, 25 up and 40 down). Only problem is the AF testers say the actual limits are something like 17R, 12L, 27U, and 40D. Boeing thought “it’s basically a KC-10 boom, so it’s limits will be the same, right?” But it’s not and they’re not. No biggie: the boomer just manually inputs those limits and tanks the first jet in the queue. Not great, but whatever. The problem is when the second jet lines up: he/she again has to select ‘F-15’, because it’s a different receiver than aircraft #1, and they must manually input the limits. Again. For every. Single. Aircraft. This all takes time. Not to mention fine-tuning the scene on the RVS to have a workable view of the receiver.
Idiotic human factors engineering, and that sort of stupidity is all over the jet. But hey, the oven works like a champ!
Dumb example: say a KC-46 is gonna refuel 2 4-ships of F-15s: the boomer selects ‘F-15’ on his/her mission screen so the BCU knows its limits (21 degrees right, 15 left, 25 up and 40 down). Only problem is the AF testers say the actual limits are something like 17R, 12L, 27U, and 40D. Boeing thought “it’s basically a KC-10 boom, so it’s limits will be the same, right?” But it’s not and they’re not. No biggie: the boomer just manually inputs those limits and tanks the first jet in the queue. Not great, but whatever. The problem is when the second jet lines up: he/she again has to select ‘F-15’, because it’s a different receiver than aircraft #1, and they must manually input the limits. Again. For every. Single. Aircraft. This all takes time. Not to mention fine-tuning the scene on the RVS to have a workable view of the receiver.
Idiotic human factors engineering, and that sort of stupidity is all over the jet. But hey, the oven works like a champ!
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Cost of spares in question...
And Boeing's attempt to explain a 1500% price increase...
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/06 ... isnt-sure/
Barefaced lie from Boeing PR.
“They’re trying to recover some of their costs on the back end, and they’re starting to recover their costs basically on some of these spares,” said one government official with knowledge of the contract discussions.
One part in particular now costs 15 times what the Air Force previously paid for it, the official said.
And Boeing's attempt to explain a 1500% price increase...
"...is due to significant shifts in prices for aerospace spare parts over the last year, driven by unprecedented challenges to the commercial aerospace market.”
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/06 ... isnt-sure/
Barefaced lie from Boeing PR.
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How do you expect a company having to commit by contract to a number they can't really appreciate what it would cost them given the vollatility of the market ?
I'd take some margin, like they probably did.
I'd take some margin, like they probably did.
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OK, I'll stand down on this one.
No, I don't have access to any data (including Boeing's markup). If better informed perhaps I should have levelled my criticism at Honeywell. Or at their suppliers. Or at the worldwide practice of defence companies indirectly soaking the taxpayer (It's national security so we can get away with raising margins.)
No, I don't have access to any data (including Boeing's markup). If better informed perhaps I should have levelled my criticism at Honeywell. Or at their suppliers. Or at the worldwide practice of defence companies indirectly soaking the taxpayer (It's national security so we can get away with raising margins.)
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Could it be the contract for these lights on the production line were done years ago in a decent batch of say 30 items. This spare parts list could be buying just a half dozen and isn't bound by a years ago order. As Lightsaber always notes, there is a need for 25 or more parts in an order.
Boeing has been stuck paying out of pocket big time for a lot of things, many that they screwed up. However, the incentive to maximize revenue every chance possible has arising - just to offset what they have eaten elsewhere.
I have to laugh where the media brings up that Boeing lost another $ 500M on its $ 5B contract. They seem to forget that the original contract was for the Design & Development, but all the follow on orders are at around $200 M each. So it should be losing another $ 500M on its $ 25B contract. Still not good but gets the perspective right.
Yes, the KC-46 is a fiasco financially for Boeing, it should have been a good program, but it seems there is always an eternal screw up.
Boeing has been stuck paying out of pocket big time for a lot of things, many that they screwed up. However, the incentive to maximize revenue every chance possible has arising - just to offset what they have eaten elsewhere.
I have to laugh where the media brings up that Boeing lost another $ 500M on its $ 5B contract. They seem to forget that the original contract was for the Design & Development, but all the follow on orders are at around $200 M each. So it should be losing another $ 500M on its $ 25B contract. Still not good but gets the perspective right.
Yes, the KC-46 is a fiasco financially for Boeing, it should have been a good program, but it seems there is always an eternal screw up.
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Boeing sends enough spare parts out with the deliveries to keep the tankers going for decades without the USAF needing to order extra.
Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
JayinKitsap wrote:Could it be the contract for these lights on the production line were done years ago in a decent batch of say 30 items
Yes, the there are many reasons why a part may cost 10 times as much and quantity of orders could be one of them.
Adding on to what Stitch stated above.
The number of spare parts the Air Force need to buy depends on the MTBF of the individual parts. Consider the old nav lights on the 767. If it was not LED, then the failure rate would be higher, they would have to stock/buy more, so the per part price would be lower although the total life cycle cost (including down time for the replacement of the burned out bulb) might be higher
With the LED's the higher MTBF, they would have to stock/buy fewer, thus the per part price would be higher (not saying it should be 15 times higher).
The other context is Boeing would need to support 1000 767 where as the Air Force only need to support 200. So Boeing would probably get a better per part buy than he Air Force.
And while Boeing is putting up a brick wall on their commercial pricing, it is really not to protect their spares margin for as clearly shown, the Airforce or any airline can find the information for themselves. Their brick wall is to protect their Commercial Derivative Airframe pricing.
That is why context is so important.
bt
Re: Boeing KC-46 News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2021
Sone more insight on the world of spares
It is a given that Boeing has a global network to deliver the spares timely across the world.
For something like a 767 or 737 part, it may be faster to let Boeing ship the parts to various airport instead of trying to ship the parts themselves. Just look at the recent report on the P-8A mission readiness at Sigonella. Their mission rate was low because of lack of spare parts, thing like O rings that can be shipped over night for any commercial airline.
bt
It is a given that Boeing has a global network to deliver the spares timely across the world.
For something like a 767 or 737 part, it may be faster to let Boeing ship the parts to various airport instead of trying to ship the parts themselves. Just look at the recent report on the P-8A mission readiness at Sigonella. Their mission rate was low because of lack of spare parts, thing like O rings that can be shipped over night for any commercial airline.
bt