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Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:54 pm

Welcome to the Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread 2022. Please continue your discussion and to post your news here.

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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Jan 06, 2022 8:32 pm

UK interested in more A400M in a few years?

In a table detailing current and future Ministry of Defence expenditure, an entry is listed mentioning that the UK plans to purchase additional A400M Atlas transport aircraft later this decade.

An entry in the table under the heading ‘A400m Additional Purchase’ reads “Additional purchase of A400M planned for the late 2020s”. The increased fleet capacity was also hinted at in the Defence Command Paper, more on that below.


https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-plan ... -aircraft/

With all RAF Hercs going soon, why not consider buying some C-390? With FAB having cut its order back, wouldn't these be a better Herc replacement than A400M and also be available at a bargain price?
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:01 pm

art wrote:
UK interested in more A400M in a few years?

In a table detailing current and future Ministry of Defence expenditure, an entry is listed mentioning that the UK plans to purchase additional A400M Atlas transport aircraft later this decade.

An entry in the table under the heading ‘A400m Additional Purchase’ reads “Additional purchase of A400M planned for the late 2020s”. The increased fleet capacity was also hinted at in the Defence Command Paper, more on that below.


https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-plan ... -aircraft/

With all RAF Hercs going soon, why not consider buying some C-390? With FAB having cut its order back, wouldn't these be a better Herc replacement than A400M and also be available at a bargain price?


Because keeping the Hercs would be cheaper as the intent is to decrease sustainment/operating/training costs via reduction in types, not to buy another type to replace them?

I think it will be fascinating to track how this works out down the road over the next 5-10 years for the Brit’s.
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Jan 06, 2022 9:15 pm

The British order has always been somewhat small for a country that takes pride in its ability to operate around the globe. Wouldn't it be significantly cheaper to order new C-130J as a replacement for the worn-out ones, though?
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:26 pm

Given UK original order was 25, later reduced to 22 it makes sense there is a small capacity gap needing to be fullfiled.
As Herc fleet is confirmed going to retirement (EDIT : IIRC, I feel like saying something stupid there, but kind of remember that) the question between topping up the existing fleet or introduce a new type seems trivial and largely in A400M favor.

After Kazakh and Indonesia order we know Airbus DS would welcome a 3 small top up with open arms. But in the case of UK 5 wouldn't be crazy at all, and its a "launch customer" then should have an interesting offer moneywise. For me it's more or less a done deal sometine soon.

Problem is, even with those modest new orders the program remains concerning, the current 8/year rate looks like an absolute minimum for it to go on. The recent export contracts are welcome, it demonstrate market penetration, but much more are needed.
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:54 pm

The Ministry of Defence has published its tenth annual summary of the defence equipment plan, the report contains references to the purchase of more A400M transport aircraft.


https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/confirm ... ransports/

Allocation of £750 million for A400M procurement from 2028/2029.
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Tue Feb 22, 2022 5:01 pm

Have Airbus been watching the latest James Bond film?

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/a400m-t ... irst-time/

Yes, I know that a US C-130 has done something similar, however this perception/list of things stated that the C-130 can do, that the A400M cannot, has diminished even more.
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Fri Mar 04, 2022 10:13 pm

Grizzly410 wrote:
Given UK original order was 25, later reduced to 22 it makes sense there is a small capacity gap needing to be fullfiled.
As Herc fleet is confirmed going to retirement (EDIT : IIRC, I feel like saying something stupid there, but kind of remember that) the question between topping up the existing fleet or introduce a new type seems trivial and largely in A400M favor.

After Kazakh and Indonesia order we know Airbus DS would welcome a 3 small top up with open arms. But in the case of UK 5 wouldn't be crazy at all, and its a "launch customer" then should have an interesting offer moneywise. For me it's more or less a done deal sometine soon.

Problem is, even with those modest new orders the program remains concerning, the current 8/year rate looks like an absolute minimum for it to go on. The recent export contracts are welcome, it demonstrate market penetration, but much more are needed.


Given the strong ties between Kazakhstan and Russia, I wonder if the Kazakh order is not at risk of being cancelled.
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Sat Mar 05, 2022 12:47 am

tomcat wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
Given UK original order was 25, later reduced to 22 it makes sense there is a small capacity gap needing to be fullfiled.
As Herc fleet is confirmed going to retirement (EDIT : IIRC, I feel like saying something stupid there, but kind of remember that) the question between topping up the existing fleet or introduce a new type seems trivial and largely in A400M favor.

After Kazakh and Indonesia order we know Airbus DS would welcome a 3 small top up with open arms. But in the case of UK 5 wouldn't be crazy at all, and its a "launch customer" then should have an interesting offer moneywise. For me it's more or less a done deal sometine soon.

Problem is, even with those modest new orders the program remains concerning, the current 8/year rate looks like an absolute minimum for it to go on. The recent export contracts are welcome, it demonstrate market penetration, but much more are needed.


Given the strong ties between Kazakhstan and Russia, I wonder if the Kazakh order is not at risk of being cancelled.


Unless Kazakhstan gets sanctioned as well, I doubt the order will be cancelled.
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Tue Mar 08, 2022 12:38 pm

If you need something bigger than the C-130, A400M is probably the only western made choice, right?
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:15 am

Two Turkish A400s are stuck in Ukraine:

"Turkey is hoping for an opportunity to fly two of its Airbus A400M out of Kyiv. The military transporters had landed at Boryspil Airport with relief supplies shortly before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Since the closure of airport park the planes on an outside position."

https://www.aero.de/news-42293/Lufthans ... nchen.html
 
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Thu Mar 31, 2022 11:25 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
Two Turkish A400s are stuck in Ukraine:

"Turkey is hoping for an opportunity to fly two of its Airbus A400M out of Kyiv. The military transporters had landed at Boryspil Airport with relief supplies shortly before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Since the closure of airport park the planes on an outside position."

https://www.aero.de/news-42293/Lufthans ... nchen.html
You wanted to link this I guess?

https://www.aero.de/news-42280/Zwei-Air ... andet.html
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:20 pm

This Sentinel 2 satellite image from today still shows the two Turkish A400Ms in the same spot where they have been sitting for more than a month.
https://apps.sentinel-hub.com/eo-browse ... TRUE_COLOR

Meanwhile, Turkey has just received its 10th and final A400M and is the first member of the original consortium that has completed its A400M fleet.
https://www.milliyet.com.tr/ekonomi/cum ... di-6728447 (Turkish)
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:45 pm

ReverseFlow wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
Two Turkish A400s are stuck in Ukraine:

"Turkey is hoping for an opportunity to fly two of its Airbus A400M out of Kyiv. The military transporters had landed at Boryspil Airport with relief supplies shortly before the Russian invasion of Ukraine. Since the closure of airport park the planes on an outside position."

https://www.aero.de/news-42293/Lufthans ... nchen.html
You wanted to link this I guess?

https://www.aero.de/news-42280/Zwei-Air ... andet.html


Yes - thanks
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Fri Apr 22, 2022 11:37 am

South Korea is looking to buy airlifters. Expected to be offered are A400M, Hercules and KC-390. Can Spain discount the excess A400M it ordered or even offer a swap including SK trainers as reported in the second link below?

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/defe ... pabilities
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/spain-c ... -trainers/
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Tue May 17, 2022 9:13 am

It is becoming clear the A400M is extensively used these days in the European theatre as a tanker. For the various border patrols, supporting a variety of missions.

While having every A400M basically suitable for this tanker role costed extra, it's paying off today.

As did it's tactical capabilities (Africa) and strategic transport roles (Afghanistan, TATL weapon transports).

Nations paid a lot, opposition parties all over Europe were stumbling over each other targeting its budgets, but have become quiet

Having this fleet available in Europe is proving worth it every dime.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A4 ... NO874-1006).jpg
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed May 18, 2022 3:54 am

Notice how the SH and A400M are flying pretty much straight and level with respect to each other. Demonstrates just how fast the A400M is, and hints at the potential for high speed turboprops in all sectors of aviation if people would just get over the non-sensical anti-open rotor bias.
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Wed May 18, 2022 3:50 pm

Seems the Firefighting option mentionned to be explored in the Indonesia order press release last year is getting real and could be ready before the end of this year :shock:
Only found this source in spanish. Hopefully will be reported in english soon...

https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mostrar/3755368/-airbus-trabaja-convertir-a400m-avion-apagafuegos


Such a modif should be already flight testing heavily for a certification this year, and I know it's not.
So I find the timeframe very optimistic to say the least. But at least it's moving forward :D
 
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Wed May 18, 2022 7:22 pm

Extensive low Level flying of German a400M took place today. Saw it on adsb.
 
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Wed May 18, 2022 8:39 pm

Grizzly410 wrote:
Seems the Firefighting option mentionned to be explored in the Indonesia order press release last year is getting real and could be ready before the end of this year :shock:
Only found this source in spanish. Hopefully will be reported in english soon...

https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mostrar/3755368/-airbus-trabaja-convertir-a400m-avion-apagafuegos


Such a modif should be already flight testing heavily for a certification this year, and I know it's not.
So I find the timeframe very optimistic to say the least. But at least it's moving forward :D

Is this the AKKA development? https://www.akka-technologies.com/press ... efighters/
Or a different firefighting kit? If it is this one, it seems like you load it like any other cargo and release the water via the open cargo ramp. As there are no structural modifications to the aircraft itself, testing might be faster than, for example, the add-on fuel tanks for aerial refueling.

I also happened to discover that a reasonably large aerial firefighting conference is happening today in Nimes, France. Perhaps that's where the Spanish article got their news from. https://www.aerial-firefighting-europe.com/Homepage
 
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Re: Airbus A400M News, Production and Delivery Thread - 2022

Thu May 19, 2022 9:51 am

mxaxai wrote:
Grizzly410 wrote:
Seems the Firefighting option mentionned to be explored in the Indonesia order press release last year is getting real and could be ready before the end of this year :shock:
Only found this source in spanish. Hopefully will be reported in english soon...

https://www.infodefensa.com/texto-diario/mostrar/3755368/-airbus-trabaja-convertir-a400m-avion-apagafuegos


Such a modif should be already flight testing heavily for a certification this year, and I know it's not.
So I find the timeframe very optimistic to say the least. But at least it's moving forward :D

Is this the AKKA development? https://www.akka-technologies.com/press ... efighters/
Or a different firefighting kit? If it is this one, it seems like you load it like any other cargo and release the water via the open cargo ramp. As there are no structural modifications to the aircraft itself, testing might be faster than, for example, the add-on fuel tanks for aerial refueling.

I also happened to discover that a reasonably large aerial firefighting conference is happening today in Nimes, France. Perhaps that's where the Spanish article got their news from. https://www.aerial-firefighting-europe.com/Homepage


Given the article quote an ADS manager inTechnology, Innvovation and Development for a confirmation that her company target to offer the product before year end; on top they claim it to be designed in Madrid (ADS spanish DO are in Getafe, Madrid downtown) I believe that's an in house solution.

The AKKA plan seems weird to me anyway, they just can't develop an optimized kit without an awful lot of information about the destination aircraft (CG, weight and balance during the release, needed flight profile for the release and so on), they would need to work hand in hands with ADS for this to happen.
And if they go by doing a standard kit that could be used on any transport A/C with rear ramp, mounted and fixed through palet system they'll finish by droping a ridiculously low volume of water just due to the weight and CG shift limits of palets handling systems.

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