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Tugger wrote:Great (if sad) picture of it in the water:
https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/28/asia/us- ... index.html
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par13del wrote:My first thought was a cable break with the number of personnel injured.
LMP737 wrote:par13del wrote:My first thought was a cable break with the number of personnel injured.
Turns out to have been a ramp strike. I'm going to guess the LSO's took a dive into the escape net/pad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9By_IGjyCE
889091 wrote:
How long does the engine take to spool up? Looks/Sounds like he applied TOGA roughly 3s into the video, but just ran out of vertical height.
meecrob wrote:Wow! Check out the elevon deflection! Could that have been "envelope protection (I know that's an Airbus term)," or was that more likely pilot input?
GalaxyFlyer wrote:There’s probably a manual trap training requirement to maintain proficiency in trapping.
SeamanBeaumont wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:There’s probably a manual trap training requirement to maintain proficiency in trapping.
Proficiency training in the South China Sea seems the wrong place to do it...
mxaxai wrote:Amazing how much stuff gets leaked these days. Also, very lucky outcome for all personnel involved, especially the pilot.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:mxaxai wrote:Amazing how much stuff gets leaked these days. Also, very lucky outcome for all personnel involved, especially the pilot.
Yes, and someone will be at Captain’s Mast. Or the CO will be in front of a CM for not shutting off the Internet.
kitplane01 wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:mxaxai wrote:Amazing how much stuff gets leaked these days. Also, very lucky outcome for all personnel involved, especially the pilot.
Yes, and someone will be at Captain’s Mast. Or the CO will be in front of a CM for not shutting off the Internet.
So there are two videos now. It really ought to be easy to find who leaked them???? Do they keep they get to stay in the navy? What kind of discharge do they get? Or is this just not a big deal?
LMP737 wrote:889091 wrote:
How long does the engine take to spool up? Looks/Sounds like he applied TOGA roughly 3s into the video, but just ran out of vertical height.
I have no idea on the spool up time for the F135 is. Since it's the latest and greatest in engine tech I would imagine it's rather quick. However, in this case it wasn't fast enough.
casinterest wrote:LMP737 wrote:889091 wrote:
How long does the engine take to spool up? Looks/Sounds like he applied TOGA roughly 3s into the video, but just ran out of vertical height.
I have no idea on the spool up time for the F135 is. Since it's the latest and greatest in engine tech I would imagine it's rather quick. However, in this case it wasn't fast enough.
This was my question watching the video with engine sound and the other one hearing the Wave Off on the leaked video. Did something go wrong with JPAL, or was the pilot trying a manual landing?
The spool up I would hope is faster than a commercial airliners.
https://theaviationist.com/2016/03/01/heres-what-ive-learned-so-far-dogfighting-in-the-f-35-a-jsf-pilot-first-hand-account/I’m also impressed by how quickly the F-35 accelerates when I reduce the AOA. High AOA produces lots of lift, but also tremendous induced drag. When I «break» the AOA, it is evident that the F-35 has a powerful engine. The F-35 also makes a particular sound at this point. When I quickly reduce the AOA – stick full forward – I can hear clearly, even inside the «cockpit» how the F-35 howls! It seems like the «howling» is a mix of airflow over the wings and a different kind of noise from the engine
GalaxyFlyer wrote:The USN confirmed there’s a criminal investigation into the videos. I heard on Ward Carrol’s YT site that’s had a lot of coverage on the crash. Great stuff and all very experienced USN CVN retired senior officers on it.
https://youtu.be/Ma_nEqBdLSA
FlapOperator wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:The USN confirmed there’s a criminal investigation into the videos. I heard on Ward Carrol’s YT site that’s had a lot of coverage on the crash. Great stuff and all very experienced USN CVN retired senior officers on it.
https://youtu.be/Ma_nEqBdLSA
And stupid, in my opinion. What's the crime?
889091 wrote:FlapOperator wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:The USN confirmed there’s a criminal investigation into the videos. I heard on Ward Carrol’s YT site that’s had a lot of coverage on the crash. Great stuff and all very experienced USN CVN retired senior officers on it.
https://youtu.be/Ma_nEqBdLSA
And stupid, in my opinion. What's the crime?
GPS metadata is usually stored on photos/videos, if location services is turned on. I guess by leaking the video, it could inadvertently disclose where the Carrier Strike Group is located at precisely what day/time, which is a definite no-no. For this particular instance, it could also reveal the exact location of the crashed airframe.
FlapOperator wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:The USN confirmed there’s a criminal investigation into the videos. I heard on Ward Carrol’s YT site that’s had a lot of coverage on the crash. Great stuff and all very experienced USN CVN retired senior officers on it.
https://youtu.be/Ma_nEqBdLSA
And stupid, in my opinion. What's the crime?
LyleLanley wrote:FlapOperator wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:The USN confirmed there’s a criminal investigation into the videos. I heard on Ward Carrol’s YT site that’s had a lot of coverage on the crash. Great stuff and all very experienced USN CVN retired senior officers on it.
https://youtu.be/Ma_nEqBdLSA
And stupid, in my opinion. What's the crime?
Good ol' Article 92: failure to obey a lawful order. Pretty sure the sailors don't just pinky-swear that they won't release sensitive information into the public domain, and damn sure the skipper didn't say "pretty please" over the 1MC.
LyleLanley wrote:FlapOperator wrote:GalaxyFlyer wrote:The USN confirmed there’s a criminal investigation into the videos. I heard on Ward Carrol’s YT site that’s had a lot of coverage on the crash. Great stuff and all very experienced USN CVN retired senior officers on it.
https://youtu.be/Ma_nEqBdLSA
And stupid, in my opinion. What's the crime?
Good ol' Article 92: failure to obey a lawful order. Pretty sure the sailors don't just pinky-swear that they won't release sensitive information into the public domain, and damn sure the skipper didn't say "pretty please" over the 1MC.
FlapOperator wrote:I guess I'm what wondering what reasonable prosecutor would try this, you know, since that became the de facto standard for the release of Top Secret information.
FlapOperator wrote:I'm still trying to the find the Failure to Obey charge sheet that doesn't show the Convening Authority to be stooges. I'm sure one is out there. Positive.
FlapOperator wrote:FTO is usually an add-on charge to something that was already illegal or the accused was counseled not to do, like sleeping with the help.
"Hey, you're sleeping with the help. Stop."
"But I love him/her/them, daddy!"
"Stop, and sign this counseling sheet."
Then if they continue to do what you've counselling, hit him/her/them with a FTO, but its a secondary charge and easily provable.
But honestly, those people should have been crushed a thousand ways from Sunday before that, like making that person give the command briefing on Fraternization.
FlapOperator wrote:LyleLanley wrote:FlapOperator wrote:
And stupid, in my opinion. What's the crime?
Good ol' Article 92: failure to obey a lawful order. Pretty sure the sailors don't just pinky-swear that they won't release sensitive information into the public domain, and damn sure the skipper didn't say "pretty please" over the 1MC.
I'm still trying to the find the Failure to Obey charge sheet that doesn't show the Convening Authority to be stooges. I'm sure one is out there. Positive.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:The traditional ramp strike is rooted in looking at the deck, not the Ball. From the YT video, the pass was shorter than normal, a little high, started down but didn’t catch the sink rate with enough thrust at the right time. Was the LSO more comfortable than required and let things continue too long? Possibly. There’s a point where a wave-off isn’t possible, all the thrust in the world won’t change the FPV fast enough.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:The crime is security violation—Operations Security doesn’t require classification. There’s an safety investigation in progress, you don’t leak out NTSB investigations, either. It’s pretty beaten into military members you don’t blab about Ops and the carrier should be especially tight-lipped. Ask Musk about talking to the public.
How would like to be the family seeing this happen to your loved one. Social media will be the death of us.
Lyle said it better than I could.
LyleLanley wrote:Just gonna have to agree to disagree. Military members on a ship at sea, recording official video of a crash under investigation, and then sending that to reddit is not the same as Joe Shmo snapping a vid of an aircraft crash from his backyard. PLATs are eventually released, and they're generally not withheld to "avoid Navy embarrassment" as you might think. Every year we as military members have to do multiple CBTs on OPSEC and computer security (screw you and your iMusic CD, Tina!), and this idiot just showed why those aren't going away anytime soon.
The better analogy would be: would you think it's fine for an NTSB member to release CVR tapes and/or FDR reconstructions on reddit before the investigation concluded and officially released it? Is it in the "public interest" to see an airliner crash and burn without an official explanation for the 'why'?
kitplane01 wrote:Question for you: What harm did releasing this particular video in this particular way cause? (Assuming it didn't leak location data, which no one has said it did.)
kitplane01 wrote:Question for you: What harm did releasing this particular video in this particular way cause? (Assuming it didn't leak location data, which no one has said it did.)
bikerthai wrote:kitplane01 wrote:Question for you: What harm did releasing this particular video in this particular way cause? (Assuming it didn't leak location data, which no one has said it did.)
It has nothing to do with whether the information leaked could or could not pose harm.
Even in the private sector, we are not allowed to post take picture or post photos of our work area without the consent of the HR or PR department. Even when there is no proprietary information involved, it's a blanket policy that allow the company to avoid gray areas.
Whistle blowers gets special dicompensation, but again, they have to go through appropriate channels, through the government if need be, but not through YT.
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kitplane01 wrote:I do understand that the military should keep some secrets, and that which secrets are to be kept is not up to individual sailors.
kitplane01 wrote:I understand that this video is not Ed Snowden.