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Thu Jun 02, 2022 3:35 pm

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Why would anybody expect super fast delivery of German medium range SAMs? These systems aren't even in use by the Germans themselves. The German armed forces have a lot of catching-up to do in this field.


Germany gives the feeling that they try to send only military components which takes many months preparation...
 
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Thu Jun 02, 2022 8:13 pm

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Germany gives the feeling that they try to send only military components which takes many months preparation...

Well, which comparable SAMs are being delivered by other western NATO members? Or tanks, SPAA, SPGs, IFVs ...?

Most militaries only operate and maintain the minimum equipment they need, usually due to budget constraints. Sometimes old equipment is mothballed but that doesn't mean it can be reactivated immediately. New ammunition needs to be procured. Often, the old stuff was mothballed for a reason: expensive to run, inadequate performance against modern enemies, poor reliability, heavy maintenance coming up, etc. Then you need training, both for the operators and the maintenance crews. And of course there may be political issues that prevent the export or reactivation of certain weapon systems. We don't see anybody handing over F-35 or F-22, even though Ukraine would be a perfect environment for them.
 
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Tue Jun 14, 2022 1:59 pm

Something is definitely happening on the western front. We have a P-8, a rivet joint and a global hawk all in the air, over/around the black sea right now.


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Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:11 pm

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Something is definitely happening on the western front. We have a P-8, a rivet joint and a global hawk all in the air, over/around the black sea right now.


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I think there was a French Atlantique there, too.
And the EP-3
 
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Tue Jun 14, 2022 2:36 pm

Also a C-40 Clipper just took off from Romania.

Curious if something is going on with FR24 as it shows the P-8A taking off from Bulgaria when they usually come out of Sicily.

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Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:46 pm

mxaxai wrote:
Most militaries only operate and maintain the minimum equipment they need, usually due to budget constraints.


A few writers at DailyKos, of all places, have continuing in-depth coverage which has been excellent. This was an amusing note from today:

Got that? The entire active U.S. Army has 330 artillery pieces (M777 and M109 self-propelled guns). Ukraine is asking for 1,500.

Now, the National Guard has artillery as well. And the U.S. Marine Corps had 481 M777s—the source of the 108 guns Ukraine has gotten from the United States.


The size of the war Ukraine and Russia are fighting is huge.
 
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Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:52 pm

ssteve wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
Most militaries only operate and maintain the minimum equipment they need, usually due to budget constraints.


A few writers at DailyKos, of all places, have continuing in-depth coverage which has been excellent. This was an amusing note from today:

Got that? The entire active U.S. Army has 330 artillery pieces (M777 and M109 self-propelled guns). Ukraine is asking for 1,500.

Now, the National Guard has artillery as well. And the U.S. Marine Corps had 481 M777s—the source of the 108 guns Ukraine has gotten from the United States.


The size of the war Ukraine and Russia are fighting is huge.
Would the US have comparatively 'few'(er) pieces as there are also Apaches, A-10s etc to do the anti-tank etc job?
 
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Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:01 pm

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Would the US have comparatively 'few'(er) pieces as there are also Apaches, A-10s etc to do the anti-tank etc job?


That is what the article said.

But that lead me to the next question. How will the West/Ukraine make up the short fall given we know that planes and attack helicopter will not be in play anytime soon?

More powerful drones? Ukraine is using minidrones as mortar/sniper like applications. But is there sufficient medium size drones to make up for the lack of artilery?
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Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:20 pm

I think that's an undercount since over 900 M109A6 Paladins were built for the US Army. The Army and Marines appear to have around 1000 M777s between them. I'm sure some are in storage or prepositioned stocks, but that's a lot of BOOM!
http://military-today.com/artillery/m109a6_paladin.htm
https://www.historynet.com/m777-howitze ... r%20region.
 
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Tue Jun 14, 2022 8:12 pm

The enemy the US Army bought those M-777s for is the same enemy the Ukrainians are fighting, so we could give Ukraine most of what we have and not diminish our security at all. I hope nobody would consider ever getting involved in a land war with China.
 
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Wed Jun 15, 2022 3:22 am

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I think that's an undercount since over 900 M109A6 Paladins were built for the US Army. The Army and Marines appear to have around 1000 M777s between them. I'm sure some are in storage or prepositioned stocks, but that's a lot of BOOM!
http://military-today.com/artillery/m109a6_paladin.htm
https://www.historynet.com/m777-howitze ... r%20region.


I wonder if the gist was that the m777 that were air freighted over to Poland were from active stocks, ready to go. That might mean that the USMC will indeed replenish from stores. And you're right... should be plentiful

I'm no expert on armor, but the mention of the m109 makes me wonder whether the ship with 200 m113 should have had 100 m109 instead. Seems like those would have had higher impact.
 
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Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:06 pm

ssteve wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
Most militaries only operate and maintain the minimum equipment they need, usually due to budget constraints.


A few writers at DailyKos, of all places, have continuing in-depth coverage which has been excellent. This was an amusing note from today:

Got that? The entire active U.S. Army has 330 artillery pieces (M777 and M109 self-propelled guns). Ukraine is asking for 1,500.

Now, the National Guard has artillery as well. And the U.S. Marine Corps had 481 M777s—the source of the 108 guns Ukraine has gotten from the United States.


The size of the war Ukraine and Russia are fighting is huge.


I saw it discussed that the article is a significant undercount. They included only artillery that was at the regimental (?) level, and not attached at higher divisions of the army. That undercounted a significant portion of the army's artillery resources that is allocated under different command structures. IT also looks to have excluded marine corps artillery.
 
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Thu Jun 16, 2022 6:48 pm

ssteve wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I think that's an undercount since over 900 M109A6 Paladins were built for the US Army. The Army and Marines appear to have around 1000 M777s between them. I'm sure some are in storage or prepositioned stocks, but that's a lot of BOOM!
http://military-today.com/artillery/m109a6_paladin.htm
https://www.historynet.com/m777-howitze ... r%20region.


I wonder if the gist was that the m777 that were air freighted over to Poland were from active stocks, ready to go. That might mean that the USMC will indeed replenish from stores. And you're right... should be plentiful

I'm no expert on armor, but the mention of the m109 makes me wonder whether the ship with 200 m113 should have had 100 m109 instead. Seems like those would have had higher impact.


Probably but at least some of the M113’s were command and control as well as counter battery system platforms.
Since via Norway they have some M109’s the next package needs to include plenty of them.
It’s been replaced in many NATO nations with newer or just more mobile systems, so there might be decent numbers in storage?

The UK replaced it with AS-90 but did not store any (typical practice), not that we are giving them at least some of the AS-90’s in storage or the once mooted 45,000 155mm shells, maybe with the current ‘ground truth’ they will now, certainly should. And more MLRS, ditto HIMRS from the US, plus some the plenty of F1 155mm semi-mobile/towed guns the French have in store, same gun as the excellent CEASR, 18 of which have been supplied, a decent chunk of the front line French Army total.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:20 am

Malfunctioning Russian SAM captured from 3 different angles: https://twitter.com/PierreDBorrelli/sta ... 8023487489
Missile made a sharp turn immediately after launch and hit the ground somewhat close to the launcher. Judging from the smoke trails, this was the 3rd missile launched in quick succession; the first two appear to have worked (though both the target and its fate remain unknown).

Thanks to modern technology, we can watch videos in ridiculously high quality showing a Russian Mi-35 being obliterated by a MANPAD: https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/15 ... 4123386881
The crew did their best, flying just a few meters above the ground, but had no chance.
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:57 am

johns624 wrote:
I think that's an undercount since over 900 M109A6 Paladins were built for the US Army. The Army and Marines appear to have around 1000 M777s between them. I'm sure some are in storage or prepositioned stocks, but that's a lot of BOOM!
http://military-today.com/artillery/m109a6_paladin.htm
https://www.historynet.com/m777-howitze ... r%20region.


900 Paladin, or 900 M109? The older M109 have nothing in common with modern M109 versions...

BTW, in case youre interested, a very interesting german cold war Bundeswehr movie showing how the Bundeswehr should use its artillery in a WW3 scenario, including MLRS, M109 and so on. Very similar to what happens i Ukraine today. BTW, the PZH 2000 were delivered now. And no, I will not cite a source since you can google it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9wcNV_uq2w
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:48 am

TheSonntag wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I think that's an undercount since over 900 M109A6 Paladins were built for the US Army. The Army and Marines appear to have around 1000 M777s between them. I'm sure some are in storage or prepositioned stocks, but that's a lot of BOOM!
http://military-today.com/artillery/m109a6_paladin.htm
https://www.historynet.com/m777-howitze ... r%20region.


900 Paladin, or 900 M109? The older M109 have nothing in common with modern M109 versions...

BTW, in case youre interested, a very interesting german cold war Bundeswehr movie showing how the Bundeswehr should use its artillery in a WW3 scenario, including MLRS, M109 and so on. Very similar to what happens i Ukraine today. BTW, the PZH 2000 were delivered now. And no, I will not cite a source since you can google it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9wcNV_uq2w


Talking of heavy artillery, I did a search to see if M110A2's could be supplied, however it left US service in 1994, (perhaps from seeing brief footage of a rough Russian equivalent made me think of it), long out of service with other NATO members too, the few current users either would not likely supply or need them. Plus of course long out of service gun and caliber from the main user would make ammo supply very problematic.
So yes, as many M109's as possible, UK needs to get it's finger out and send some stored AS-90's and that ammo once promised, plus any FH-70's beyond the small number sent by Italy within NATO?
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2022 12:10 pm

TheSonntag wrote:
johns624 wrote:
I think that's an undercount since over 900 M109A6 Paladins were built for the US Army. The Army and Marines appear to have around 1000 M777s between them. I'm sure some are in storage or prepositioned stocks, but that's a lot of BOOM!
http://military-today.com/artillery/m109a6_paladin.htm
https://www.historynet.com/m777-howitze ... r%20region.


900 Paladin, or 900 M109? The older M109 have nothing in common with modern M109 versions...

BTW, in case youre interested, a very interesting german cold war Bundeswehr movie showing how the Bundeswehr should use its artillery in a WW3 scenario, including MLRS, M109 and so on. Very similar to what happens i Ukraine today. BTW, the PZH 2000 were delivered now. And no, I will not cite a source since you can google it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9wcNV_uq2w
900 Paladins. The US doesn't build in penny packets.
https://www.army-technology.com/projects/paladin/
 
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Fri Jun 24, 2022 2:28 pm

Russia lost an IL-76 today on a "training flight" in the south. Video available on Twitter shows the aircraft burning pretty furiously before it crashes. https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20220624-0

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1540212798181019649
 
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Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:41 am

Some thing rare flying over southern Romania today. E-8C JSTAR supporting the Kerson offensive? Also in the area are two tankers, a P-3 and a Global Hawk.

Will have to wait a couple of days to find out what is up.


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Sat Jun 25, 2022 1:55 pm

The JStars also got a New callsign - Donny 22. So no redeye 6 amymore.

Germany recently retired the A310 Medevac - today I saw an A400m with the GAFMED callsign instead.
 
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Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:11 pm

It has been a intriguing couple of days over Romania. Just now there are 3 tankers in the area. One is doing loops and two are entering the area. But no other military aircraft visible. Running dark?

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Mon Jun 27, 2022 12:11 pm

The Ukrainians got hold of an R-77-1 air to air missile, the most advanced such weapon on the Russian arsenal. Hopefully it can be studied by the relevant researchers of Ukraine and NATO.

https://defence-blog.com/russian-fighter-fired-and-lost-a-secret-missile-in-ukraine/
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:59 am

The Russians appear to be having trouble conducting precision bombing runs over at Snake Island, with 3 out of 4 bombs completely missing the island:

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/stat ... 9272898561

A pair of what appears to be of Russian Flankers (Su-27 / 30) conducting a low level bombing raid on Snake Island, presumably to try to destroy anything of value left on the island after the Russians had withdrew. 3 bombs totally missed the island, and the 4th didn't seem to hit anything of consequence.
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:06 am

OK, did the second plane make the drop as well? May be the second pilot was more proficient?

Another reason would be a demonstration to discourage the Ukrainian from putting forces on the Island.

Why a demonstration as opposed to waiting for the Ukrainians to occupy the island first? They may get shot down if there were actual Ukrainians on the Island.

Question though. When using precision bombs, would you need to be at moderate altitude to give the bomb time to adjust?

Do the Russian have an equivalent to the US JDAMs?

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Sat Jul 02, 2022 11:54 am

Did Ukraine any serious AA weapons besides stingers?
Might be interesting to man the island with some manpads to pick out some Russian birds from the sky…
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2022 12:21 pm

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Did Ukraine any serious AA weapons besides stingers?
Might be interesting to man the island with some manpads to pick out some Russian birds from the sky…



Loads of late Soviet era equipment, from S300's to MANPADS.
Might have been some Polish MANPADS prior to the war, if not there certainly have been since.
 
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Did Ukraine any serious AA weapons besides stingers?
Might be interesting to man the island with some manpads to pick out some Russian birds from the sky…


Don't they have Starstreak which took down a helicopter earlier? Aren't they less affected by countermeasures?

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Sat Jul 02, 2022 4:40 pm

It will be interesting to see if Russia continues to use most of their fixed wing aircraft in the stand-off weapon only these next 6 months or so. With their victory over much of the Donbas secured, will they continue the land bridge to Moldova, and create one big pincer formation around Kiev?
 
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bikerthai wrote:
JonesNL wrote:
Did Ukraine any serious AA weapons besides stingers?
Might be interesting to man the island with some manpads to pick out some Russian birds from the sky…


Don't they have Starstreak which took down a helicopter earlier? Aren't they less affected by countermeasures?

bt


At least one shown, but don't be fooled by Johnson's grandstanding (as his domestic problems mount), the numbers the UK has sent of Starstreak and Marlet are very small, certainly compared to say German Stingers (it's omerta to say anything like that in the British press), they have even supplied, albeit by only one, more MLRS than us too.
The Starstreak has a 7km range, needs more training but the missile is Mach 3/4.

In both MANPAD, Triple Launcher and 8 launcher on a Stormer armoured vehicle.
The tank museum, private collectors, have some of the latter, such has been the run down of UK defence since 2010.
You would think those chassis would be brought up, fitted again with operational equipment, if only to maintain UK stocks allowing more to be sent to Ukraine.
Don't hold your breath.
Or for the unused AS-90 155mm in store.
 
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Sat Jul 02, 2022 8:31 pm

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will they continue the land bridge to Moldova, and create one big pincer formation around Kiev?


You are kidding right? :wink2:

GDB wrote:
At least one shown, but don't be fooled by Johnson's grandstanding (as his domestic problems mount), the numbers the UK has sent of Starstreak and Marlet are very small, certainly compared to say German Stingers (it's omerta to say anything like that in the British press), they have even supplied, albeit by only one, more MLRS than us too.
The Starstreak has a 7km range, needs more training but the missile is Mach 3/4.


You do not need alot to defend Snake Island.

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Sun Jul 03, 2022 1:37 am

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OK, did the second plane make the drop as well? May be the second pilot was more proficient?

Another reason would be a demonstration to discourage the Ukrainian from putting forces on the Island.

Why a demonstration as opposed to waiting for the Ukrainians to occupy the island first? They may get shot down if there were actual Ukrainians on the Island.

Question though. When using precision bombs, would you need to be at moderate altitude to give the bomb time to adjust?

Do the Russian have an equivalent to the US JDAMs?

bt

It would be the KAB-500/1500 S-E series of bombs; GLONASS aimed, but probably extremely limited in inventory.

They also have a Paveway analogue, the KAB-500/1500 L, and a EO/IR guided version as well. Likewise, limited in inventory.

As for why they are flying so low, it's because of Ukrainian air defences from the mainland. Nobody in this war seems to be wanting to fly medium to high altitudes due to lack of SEAD capabilities on either side, so they are flying very low, nap-of-earth attacks to stay under the radar coverage.

As for proficiency, I will point out that the Ukrainians had earlier attacked the island a few weeks ago with their attack aircraft, conducting a similar very low altitude attack, and were much more successful in actually hitting targets.

I doubt the Ukrainians are going to make an effort to reoccupy the islands; the issue is that the island is very small and is extremely exposed to air and sea attacks from the Russians, and the Ukrainians don't have the aircraft and ships to move forces onto the island for a sustained presence.

The main effort from the Ukrainians was to drive the Russians off the island so they can't use it as a forward radar base and missile launch site. The island is within range of Ukrainian long range artillery, so they were shelling the island accordingly, and with the beefed up Ukrainian coastal defences, they were also able to drive off Russian attempts at resupply with ships.

Both the Russians and the Ukrainians are still attacking the island; there is a reported video of the Ukrainians using TB2 Bayraktar's from yesterday attacking (more successfully) the abandoned equipment the Russians had left behind:

https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/ ... 9384591360
 
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I doubt the Ukrainians are going to make an effort to reoccupy the islands; the issue is that the island is very small and is extremely exposed to air and sea attacks from the Russians,


I would not be surprised if Ukraine would at least put a small detachment in the Island just to dare the Russian to attack. Ukraine is in a better position than at the begining if the war and Russia is worst off.

Would the Russian dare to attack by air with mid-high altitude SAM from shore and manpad on the island?

Do they have the capacity to attack by sea with Harpoons on the mainland?

Any attack would be tipped off by NATO AWACs and P-8A flying over Romania.

If I was an Ukrainian general, I wouldn't mind having the Russian lob their precious few long range missiles at the island than having to defend them around my cities.

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bikerthai wrote:
ThePointblank wrote:
I doubt the Ukrainians are going to make an effort to reoccupy the islands; the issue is that the island is very small and is extremely exposed to air and sea attacks from the Russians,


I would not be surprised if Ukraine would at least put a small detachment in the Island just to dare the Russian to attack. Ukraine is in a better position than at the begining if the war and Russia is worst off.

Would the Russian dare to attack by air with mid-high altitude SAM from shore and manpad on the island?

Do they have the capacity to attack by sea with Harpoons on the mainland?

Any attack would be tipped off by NATO AWACs and P-8A flying over Romania.

If I was an Ukrainian general, I wouldn't mind having the Russian lob their precious few long range missiles at the island than having to defend them around my cities.

bt


What's is the message to the troops to be garrisoned there? "Fellas, we've proven that the island is easy to overrun, impossible to hold. Russians have proven that the island is easy to overrun, impossible to hold. We are thus directing you to hold the island, to dare the enemy to overrun it again!' ? Not a big morale booster, IMHO.

On a separate note, it appears that this lone prototype
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S22_Bohdana
was a key asset in making further attempts of russians to hold the Snake Island a very expensive and unpleasant exercise.

For all the flying and bombing and missile strikes and naval activities, eventually once there's mobile artillery piece, with sufficient range to deliver its payload, things start to get unpleasant quickly for the invader.
 
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Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:50 am

Phosphorus wrote:
bikerthai wrote:
ThePointblank wrote:
I doubt the Ukrainians are going to make an effort to reoccupy the islands; the issue is that the island is very small and is extremely exposed to air and sea attacks from the Russians,


I would not be surprised if Ukraine would at least put a small detachment in the Island just to dare the Russian to attack. Ukraine is in a better position than at the begining if the war and Russia is worst off.

Would the Russian dare to attack by air with mid-high altitude SAM from shore and manpad on the island?

Do they have the capacity to attack by sea with Harpoons on the mainland?

Any attack would be tipped off by NATO AWACs and P-8A flying over Romania.

If I was an Ukrainian general, I wouldn't mind having the Russian lob their precious few long range missiles at the island than having to defend them around my cities.

bt


What's is the message to the troops to be garrisoned there? "Fellas, we've proven that the island is easy to overrun, impossible to hold. Russians have proven that the island is easy to overrun, impossible to hold. We are thus directing you to hold the island, to dare the enemy to overrun it again!' ? Not a big morale booster, IMHO.

On a separate note, it appears that this lone prototype
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2S22_Bohdana
was a key asset in making further attempts of russians to hold the Snake Island a very expensive and unpleasant exercise.

For all the flying and bombing and missile strikes and naval activities, eventually once there's mobile artillery piece, with sufficient range to deliver its payload, things start to get unpleasant quickly for the invader.


Yes, when I saw the footage the Ukrainian Defence Ministry released, I thought at first it was a CAESAR, but in my newspaper just a few days before a picture dated the previous day, had a CAESAR firing in the Donbas, which made sense for the use and deployment of the limited numbers of these systems.
 
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Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:57 am

Phosphorus wrote:
"Fellas, we've proven that the island is easy to overrun, impossible to hold.


No longer true. Because of this.

Phosphorus wrote:
For all the flying and bombing and missile strikes and naval activities, eventually once there's mobile artillery piece, with sufficient range to deliver its payload, things start to get unpleasant quickly for the invader.


Russia has no artilery assets other than long range and inaccurate missiles to hit the island. They would have to waste pressious assets trying to hit a few infrantry targets. And that is the point.

They would not risk bringing ships close to try to overun it again.

But your point of getting volunteers to man the Island is valid. I would not want to stay there unless they dig deep bunkers to shelter in.

But for a soldier, would you rather be on the island with a chance if getting hit by long range missiles, or on the Donbas front line getting hit by Russian artilery constantly. Its Eastern Front vs Western Front all over again.

bt

Edit: As for logistics, it is easy enough for the Ukrainian to re-supply a few soldiers using helicopters. Now, placing larger SAMs and Coastal defense missiles on the island is a different matter. It will be interesting to see if Ukraine will attempt this

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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Military Aviation News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:18 pm

bikerthai wrote:
They would not risk bringing ships close to try to overun it again.
Do they still have ships capable of doing so?

The Russian navy Telegram channel has reported that the Ondatra class landing craft D-106 hit a Russian sea mine and sank.
Yes, they are now sailing into their own mines and publically admitting it!

https://t.me/moria40k/12474
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Military Aviation News and Discussion Thread

Sun Jul 03, 2022 12:32 pm

petertenthije wrote:
Yes, they are now sailing into their own mines and publically admitting it!


A mine that broke away from its anchor?

Just a preview if what Ukraine will face trying to open up a sea corridor. Constant mine sweeping will be needed.

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Wed Jul 06, 2022 12:22 pm

Since the begining of the Ukraine war, FR24 have been showing E-3 flying over Romania .

Buy at about the time when Russia left Snake Island, the E-3 flights has stop.

So did NATO finally put a ground base system in southern Romania? Was that why their were a bunch of Blackhawks flying around the area during that time as well?

So if NATO have 24hrs radar coverage in that area, it will help with the defense of Snake Island when Ukraine finally occupies the Island.

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Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:41 pm

An Il-96 of the Russian government flew from Moscow to Basel (BSL), over Turkey, Tunisia and France - staying well clear of Greece and Italy. An incredible detour, even with a circle between Sardinia and the Baleares:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 6#2c87944f

The purpose of the flight was to transport embassy personnel. The flying command post of the Russian government is supposed to take off again at 23:00 Swiss time.
 
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Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:28 pm

flyingturtle wrote:
An Il-96 of the Russian government flew from Moscow to Basel (BSL), over Turkey, Tunisia and France - staying well clear of Greece and Italy. An incredible detour, even with a circle between Sardinia and the Baleares:



The Russian flying command post is in the air again:

https://www.flightradar24.com/RSD086/2c89e1c0
 
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Fri Jul 15, 2022 8:56 pm

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LyleLanley wrote:
11Bravo wrote:

I don't think it's a good idea either, but you wouldn't need NATO air-defense units on the ground in Ukraine. A no-fly zone could be enforced using fighter aircraft, supporting tankers, and AWACs. In my view the big problem is you would also have to conduct SEAD missions to suppress and destroy Russian air defense assets. That would mean direct attacks by NATO air on Russian ground units and that is a serious escalation. Additionally, it would be only a matter of time before some NATO aircraft got shot down in a Russian controlled area. Then you have to go get the pilots with USAF Para-Rescue and/or other SOF units. At that point, you have NATO and Russian ground forces in direct ground combat. That could get out of control very quickly and turn into a general war between NATO and Russia. That all sounds like a bad idea unless Russia really goes off the rails here and starts committing war-crimes on a scale where NATO feels like they have no choice but to act.


To appreciate what thepointblank is saying, you have to understand what a no-fly zone is: an explicit threat to shoot down someone’s aircraft if they violate a geographical line. In other words: a no-fly zone is a line in the sand. If you’re not cool with escalating a conflict by sending in ground troops, say because you’re worried about getting into a war with a nuclear-equipped belligerent, you’re probably not cool to escalate that same conflict by shooting down their jets and (probably) killing their aircrews. Hence, the no-fly zone is worthless.


Thank you guys for your replies but you keep elaborating on the practicalities of a NFZ which have already been explained ad nauseam on the various threads about Ukraine.

So I'll ask a simple question: if your country was targeted by cruise missiles, would you feel safer with a bunch of Typhoons or F-15s in the sky supplementing your air defence or not? Or would you consider that those fighters in the sky would be of no use to intercept cruise missiles in which case all the European countries have to worry about being poorly protected against such an attach.


Here is a video showing an example of what I was suggesting: a Ukrainian Su-27 firing a missile at a Russian missile if the caption is to be believed. This happened today in northern Ukraine. It looks like Ukraine has committed all the possible means to intercept the incoming missiles.

See 0:17
https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1548039232165294080
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Military Aviation News and Discussion Thread

Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:57 am

Can’t speak for the source…but would be news if true…

https://news.yahoo.com/zelenskyys-office-confirms-us-plans-160500270.html
 
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Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:05 am

Slcpilot wrote:
Can’t speak for the source…but would be news if true…

https://news.yahoo.com/zelenskyys-office-confirms-us-plans-160500270.html


The US military budget is pretty much transparent (except for black project).

"This amendment to the U.S. Fiscal Year 2023 Defense Funding Bill was supported by the House of Representatives. A total of $100 million is planned to be allocated for this."


We will find out if it is going to happen if/when the budget is approved.

What would be more interesting would be the timelines on when the training can be completed. Is is inevitable, just a matter of when.

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Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:28 pm

Russian Su-34M friendly fire shootdown?
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/stat ... 2489066496
Brand new plane, if so. Would be one of only 10 examples of type per this post.
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2022 4:25 pm

Su-35 friendly fire now, too:
https://twitter.com/walter_report/statu ... 9723586561

Perhaps not coincidentally, there's rocket attacks on Russian air defenses happening:
https://twitter.com/walter_report/statu ... 5380841472
 
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Wed Jul 20, 2022 5:44 pm

ssteve wrote:
Su-35 friendly fire now, too:
https://twitter.com/walter_report/statu ... 9723586561

Perhaps not coincidentally, there's rocket attacks on Russian air defenses happening:
https://twitter.com/walter_report/statu ... 5380841472


A form of SEAD they were not expecting?
 
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Tue Jul 26, 2022 1:23 pm

Today an American F-18 and 2 German planes (Bomber 21 Bomber 22) were visible on ADSB. It is rare to see German planes with transponder on. Maybe there was a connection to the fact the German MLRS were delivered to Ukraine today. Generally, lots of NATO activity on ADSB today.
 
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Thu Jul 28, 2022 2:54 pm

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe ... 81094.html

6 F22 were deployed to Europe. Quite a statement.
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Military Aviation News and Discussion Thread

Thu Jul 28, 2022 8:33 pm

A report on the expanded role of NATO Air Policing for Romania, over the Black Sea, since the war started;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_BkxWuVliY
 
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Re: Russian Invasion of Ukraine - Military Aviation News and Discussion Thread

Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:47 am

According to FlugRevue, 12 Raptors were deployed to Poland. That is n o routine.

https://www.flugrevue.de/militaer/nato- ... ach-polen/

Today, the Global Hawk (Forte xx callsign) overflew Germany from South to North and continued to the baltic sea. This is new.

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