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par13del wrote:Would be good to now have an analysis of the factors / reasons why some folks said no military action would take place....
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-60454795
mxaxai wrote:Confirmed:
Ukrainian Su-27 intercepted and escorted by Romanian F-16 after violating Romanian airspace.https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/3031 ... in-romania
texl1649 wrote:Not too surprising given the state of the Luftwaffe over the past 10 years but the Bundeswehr sounds like it is'stripped bare' and offers little real support per it's commander.
https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/stat ... 2786852871
Noray wrote:texl1649 wrote:Not too surprising given the state of the Luftwaffe over the past 10 years but the Bundeswehr sounds like it is'stripped bare' and offers little real support per it's commander.
https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/stat ... 2786852871
Don't you think it would be more appropriate now to get upset about Putin rather than your allies?
BTW, Mais is the commander of the German Army, and he probably wasn't adressing aircraft. The Luftwaffe currently has one A400M and several Eurofighters in Romania. As I'm typing this, the A400M is providing aerial refuelling there. The combat readiness of German Eurofighters has greatly improved in recent years.
texl1649 wrote:Ideally this whole episode ends quickly with minimal bloodshed.
FGITD wrote:In the grand scheme, less significant than aerial combat and deaths, but allegedly the an-225 has been destroyed. The aircraft was supposedly at Hostomel airport which has been under attack.
Noray wrote:texl1649 wrote:Not too surprising given the state of the Luftwaffe over the past 10 years but the Bundeswehr sounds like it is'stripped bare' and offers little real support per it's commander.
https://twitter.com/tobiaschneider/stat ... 2786852871
Don't you think it would be more appropriate now to get upset about Putin rather than your allies?
BTW, Mais is the commander of the German Army, and he probably wasn't adressing aircraft. The Luftwaffe currently has one A400M and several Eurofighters in Romania. As I'm typing this, the A400M is providing aerial refuelling there. The combat readiness of German Eurofighters has greatly improved in recent years.
iamlucky13 wrote:Antonov Airport (aka Gostomel or Hostomel Airport) just north of Kyiv, about 60 miles from the border with Belarus, is reported to have been assaulted by helicopter-borne troops. This is a cargo airport and is also used by Antonov as the base of the An-225.
afterburner33 wrote:A BBC post says that the Ukraine government claimed that Hostomel is back in Ukrainian hands ... for now.
tommybp251b wrote:There is a KC-10 above North Romania at 24.000 ft and a KC-135 above Poland. A Boeing E8 ist going back to Zweibrücken After circling above Poland.
SeamanBeaumont wrote:afterburner33 wrote:A BBC post says that the Ukraine government claimed that Hostomel is back in Ukrainian hands ... for now.
Stunned they have tried to take it given how far from the front lines it is and how long they would prospectively have to hold out. Perhaps some additional spetnaz were pre-positioned locally to assist but still.
originalblis wrote:tommybp251b wrote:There is a KC-10 above North Romania at 24.000 ft and a KC-135 above Poland. A Boeing E8 ist going back to Zweibrücken After circling above Poland.
Who are they refueling? Providing any services to Ukrainian Air Force?
originalblis wrote:Who are they refueling? Providing any services to Ukrainian Air Force?
kitplane01 wrote:Anyone got a good summary of what's causing aircraft losses. Wikipedia says the Ukraine has 250 S-300s, 100 9K330 Tor, and 519 systems in total. And "many" MANPADS. Yet the Russian air force seems to be able to fly at will with minimal losses.
Spacepope wrote:SeamanBeaumont wrote:afterburner33 wrote:A BBC post says that the Ukraine government claimed that Hostomel is back in Ukrainian hands ... for now.
Stunned they have tried to take it given how far from the front lines it is and how long they would prospectively have to hold out. Perhaps some additional spetnaz were pre-positioned locally to assist but still.
Photo of the counterattack. https://mobile.twitter.com/Militaryland ... 6431125524 Can somebody identify the burned out grey T-tailed aircraft? Hopefully not one of the Turkish A400
SeamanBeaumont wrote:kitplane01 wrote:Anyone got a good summary of what's causing aircraft losses. Wikipedia says the Ukraine has 250 S-300s, 100 9K330 Tor, and 519 systems in total. And "many" MANPADS. Yet the Russian air force seems to be able to fly at will with minimal losses.
You don't flash all your cards on the first day...
What they have that is serviceable will pop up over the next week or two at in opportune times for the Russians..
kitplane01 wrote:SeamanBeaumont wrote:kitplane01 wrote:Anyone got a good summary of what's causing aircraft losses. Wikipedia says the Ukraine has 250 S-300s, 100 9K330 Tor, and 519 systems in total. And "many" MANPADS. Yet the Russian air force seems to be able to fly at will with minimal losses.
You don't flash all your cards on the first day...
What they have that is serviceable will pop up over the next week or two at in opportune times for the Russians..
I truely don’t believe there are people dying, the enemy is twenty miles from the capital, and you hold your missiles while the enemy targets and destroys them.
journeyperson wrote:I noticed yesterday and today a number of RAF Typhoons over Northern Poland, along with tankers and an RC135. What will be their mission so far from the Ukraine border?
SeamanBeaumont wrote:kitplane01 wrote:SeamanBeaumont wrote:You don't flash all your cards on the first day...
What they have that is serviceable will pop up over the next week or two at in opportune times for the Russians..
I truely don’t believe there are people dying, the enemy is twenty miles from the capital, and you hold your missiles while the enemy targets and destroys them.
It's been a day, plenty more of this conflict to go and I expect we will be here 6 weeks from now discussing why Russia can't seem to finish the job.
journeyperson wrote:I noticed yesterday and today a number of RAF Typhoons over Northern Poland, along with tankers and an RC135. What will be their mission so far from the Ukraine border?
mxaxai wrote:Su-27 was apparently shot down over Kiev this morning, markings visible on photos suggest that it was Ukrainian while Ukrainian officials claim that a Russian aircraft was shot down.
JayinKitsap wrote:It's not a good situation at all, I see images of the next Afghanistan - either us or when the Soviets came in, or Syria on steroids over 50x the area.
tjwgrr wrote:On ADS-B I'm seeing a NATO E3 and a German A400 orbiting over Romania, some orbiting KC-10s, a KC-135R, (presumably to refuel fighters,) a B-52, and a Dutch A330 all over Poland.
bikerthai wrote:I do do not see Ukrainians as fanatics. I do not believe it is in their culture or history.
I see it as more once the fighting dies down, could be days, could be weeks, but I don't see months, it will become like occupation of Eastern Europe post WWII.
From a human life perspective that may be best. Ukraine will experience a brain drain and suffer occupation until Russia has a change in leadership.
Only then, is there a chance it will be independent again, with a slight change in the border.
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STT757 wrote:tjwgrr wrote:On ADS-B I'm seeing a NATO E3 and a German A400 orbiting over Romania, some orbiting KC-10s, a KC-135R, (presumably to refuel fighters,) a B-52, and a Dutch A330 all over Poland.
Aircraft like C-130s, A400s and such aircraft have comms relay capabilities. They can do racetracks along the Polish and Romanian borders with Ukraine to assist with Ukrainian command and control which the Russians were targeting.
bajs11 wrote:to turn the country into another puppet state like Belarus or absorb it into his empire.