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ReverseFlow wrote:I remember reading about or seeing a Youtube video with Elon Musk who said that SpaceX don't publish patents.
The reasoning behind this was that their biggest 'rival' was a state sponsored space program who doesn't care for patents. And especially if they use them militarily you wouldn't find out.
Avatar2go wrote:ReverseFlow wrote:I remember reading about or seeing a Youtube video with Elon Musk who said that SpaceX don't publish patents.
The reasoning behind this was that their biggest 'rival' was a state sponsored space program who doesn't care for patents. And especially if they use them militarily you wouldn't find out.
Other reasons are the expense of researching earlier patents, the limited protection they offer (China, for example, does not respect Western patent law), and the cost of litigation for infringement. Elon's view is that continuous innovation is a better protection overall.
texl1649 wrote:Ah thanks. But the last sentence says:Avatar2go wrote:ReverseFlow wrote:I remember reading about or seeing a Youtube video with Elon Musk who said that SpaceX don't publish patents.
The reasoning behind this was that their biggest 'rival' was a state sponsored space program who doesn't care for patents. And especially if they use them militarily you wouldn't find out.
Other reasons are the expense of researching earlier patents, the limited protection they offer (China, for example, does not respect Western patent law), and the cost of litigation for infringement. Elon's view is that continuous innovation is a better protection overall.
That substantively changed a few years ago.
https://insights.greyb.com/spacex-patents/
Remember, a patent is in essence a (temporary or 20 year or so) ‘right to exclude’ others in exchange for public disclosure of the device/technology/method. Some things, if no one else gets to touch it/see how it really works (like the Raptor V2 engines only SpaceX is using themselves), might make sense not to reveal publicly to the Chinese, but I think over time SpaceX’ team has realized they need legal protections not just from the Chinese who will steal anything anyway, but other competitors.
texl1649 wrote:Avatar2go wrote:ReverseFlow wrote:I remember reading about or seeing a Youtube video with Elon Musk who said that SpaceX don't publish patents.
The reasoning behind this was that their biggest 'rival' was a state sponsored space program who doesn't care for patents. And especially if they use them militarily you wouldn't find out.
Other reasons are the expense of researching earlier patents, the limited protection they offer (China, for example, does not respect Western patent law), and the cost of litigation for infringement. Elon's view is that continuous innovation is a better protection overall.
That substantively changed a few years ago.
https://insights.greyb.com/spacex-patents/
Remember, a patent is in essence a (temporary or 20 year or so) ‘right to exclude’ others in exchange for public disclosure of the device/technology/method. Some things, if no one else gets to touch it/see how it really works (like the Raptor V2 engines only SpaceX is using themselves), might make sense not to reveal publicly to the Chinese, but I think over time SpaceX’ team has realized they need legal protections not just from the Chinese who will steal anything anyway, but other competitors.
AngMoh wrote:texl1649 wrote:Avatar2go wrote:
Other reasons are the expense of researching earlier patents, the limited protection they offer (China, for example, does not respect Western patent law), and the cost of litigation for infringement. Elon's view is that continuous innovation is a better protection overall.
That substantively changed a few years ago.
https://insights.greyb.com/spacex-patents/
Remember, a patent is in essence a (temporary or 20 year or so) ‘right to exclude’ others in exchange for public disclosure of the device/technology/method. Some things, if no one else gets to touch it/see how it really works (like the Raptor V2 engines only SpaceX is using themselves), might make sense not to reveal publicly to the Chinese, but I think over time SpaceX’ team has realized they need legal protections not just from the Chinese who will steal anything anyway, but other competitors.
A patent is only valid for the country it is filed in. The exception is the EU where there is a EU wide patenting system. A US patent is only valid in the US. If the same patent has not been filed in other countries, it is not protected in the other countries. So if you file a patent in the US and nowhere else, then you are free to use that patent in sales in Australia for example.
A well written patent protects a lot, stops competition and does not tell a competitor anything about your product. GE for example, is very good in that. A poorly written patent tells too much, and not only explains how it is implemented but enables competitors to bypass a patent.
We used to file patents in the US, EU, China and Australia as they were the biggest markets. We also has a line of products which infringed on a GE patent, but that patent was only valid in the US. That product was sold everywhere in the world except the US, where we sold an older system. Later, we developed a newer line of products that no longer infringed on the GE patent and that one became the default product worldwide.
So Space-X can file all they want in the US, it does not give any protection whatsoever in China. It only protects against Jeff Bezos.
AngMoh wrote:texl1649 wrote:Avatar2go wrote:
Other reasons are the expense of researching earlier patents, the limited protection they offer (China, for example, does not respect Western patent law), and the cost of litigation for infringement. Elon's view is that continuous innovation is a better protection overall.
That substantively changed a few years ago.
https://insights.greyb.com/spacex-patents/
Remember, a patent is in essence a (temporary or 20 year or so) ‘right to exclude’ others in exchange for public disclosure of the device/technology/method. Some things, if no one else gets to touch it/see how it really works (like the Raptor V2 engines only SpaceX is using themselves), might make sense not to reveal publicly to the Chinese, but I think over time SpaceX’ team has realized they need legal protections not just from the Chinese who will steal anything anyway, but other competitors.
A patent is only valid for the country it is filed in. The exception is the EU where there is a EU wide patenting system. A US patent is only valid in the US. If the same patent has not been filed in other countries, it is not protected in the other countries. So if you file a patent in the US and nowhere else, then you are free to use that patent in sales in Australia for example.
A well written patent protects a lot, stops competition and does not tell a competitor anything about your product. GE for example, is very good in that. A poorly written patent tells too much, and not only explains how it is implemented but enables competitors to bypass a patent.
We used to file patents in the US, EU, China and Australia as they were the biggest markets. We also has a line of products which infringed on a GE patent, but that patent was only valid in the US. That product was sold everywhere in the world except the US, where we sold an older system. Later, we developed a newer line of products that no longer infringed on the GE patent and that one became the default product worldwide.
So Space-X can file all they want in the US, it does not give any protection whatsoever in China. It only protects against Jeff Bezos.