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Gore Won Florida After All!

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:09 pm

I am sick of this topic too, but it must be known
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Newspaper: Butterfly ballot cost Gore White House

March 11, 2001
Web posted at: 8:43 a.m. EST (1343 GMT

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida (CNN) -- Voters confused by Palm Beach County's butterfly ballot cost Al Gore the presidency, The Palm Beach Post concluded Sunday.

The newspaper's review of discarded ballots found Gore lost 6,607 votes when voters marked more than one name on the county's "butterfly ballot." A leading Republican called the finding "speculation."

Voters who marked Gore's name and that of another candidate totaled more than 10 times the winning margin Bush received to claim Florida's 25 electoral votes and the White House, the Post concluded. The newspaper said the result was "an indictment of the butterfly ballot, political experts and partisan observers agree."

The newspaper's review of the overvotes found 5,330 Palm Beach County residents invalidated their ballots by punching chads for Gore and Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan. The hole voters punched for Buchanan was located just above Gore's on the two-page ballot.

The ballots showed another 2,908 voters punched Gore and Socialist David McReynolds, whose hole appeared just below Gore's. Buchanan's and McReynolds' names appeared on the right page of the ballot, while Gore's was on the left.

The confusion hurt Bush, too: 1,631 people punched Bush and Buchanan, whose hole was below his on the ballot. But Gore was the bigger loser: the two Gore combinations, minus the Bush-Buchanan votes, totaled 6,607 lost votes for Gore, the Post found.

Palm Beach at heart of recount
The paper reviewed more than 19,000 punch cards in the county, which was at the center of what turned into a 37-day standoff in the courts. Bush won Florida by a 537-vote margin in official results, giving him a 271-267 majority in the Electoral College.

"What it shows is what we've been saying all along -- there is no question that the majority of people on Election Day believed they left the booth voting for Al Gore," Ron Klain, Gore's former chief of staff and his lead legal strategist in Florida, told the newspaper.

But former Montana Gov. Marc Racicot, a Republican who advised Bush's recount effort in Florida, dismissed the Post's findings.

"You're trying too hard to find a correlation here," Racicot said. "You don't know these people, you don't know what they intended. You try to compile statistics and correlate them to a result that amounts to nothing more than speculation."

Almost half of the Gore-Buchanan over-votes were from precincts where most of the voters were 65 or older and Democrats. Even if 1 percent of the 6,607 votes were intended for Buchanan or McReynolds -- more than their combined portion of Palm Beach County's total vote -- Gore would still have gained 6,541 votes, the newspaper concluded.

"Are these stupid voters? Or is it a stupid voting system? There's certainly evidence here that these were not stupid voters," University of California-Berkeley Professor Henry Brady said.

Ballot designed to help elderly
Palm Beach County Supervisor of Elections Theresa Lepore said she put the presidential candidates on two pages to keep the print size big enough for the county's many elderly voters. She has acknowledged it was a mistake.

Many of the voters said they had expected Gore and Bush to be the first two choices, as Florida law requires. Instead, they found Buchanan, on the opposite page, between them.

"The butterfly ballot discombobulated them," Brady said.

Three-fourths of the over-votes were punches for two candidates, most of which experts attributed to the ballot design, the paper said. The rest were for three or more candidates, which experts called voter error, not a design problem.

The review of over-votes was conducted between January 17 and January 29. Last year, Brady calculated that at least 2,000 of Buchanan's 3,424 Palm Beach County votes were meant for Gore. If that were true, Gore's total gain -- with the overvotes -- might have been as much as 8,600 votes, the paper said.

Twenty-eight voters selected all 10 presidential candidates, the survey found.

The Post's analysis is independent of another review of the Florida vote by a consortium of media that includes CNN. In February, a separate Miami Herald review found a net gain of only 49 votes for Gore among about 10,000 ballots that Gore wanted hand-counted in the November election's aftermath.


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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:17 pm

Do we really need to see this again? Considering both sides have claimed that an "inpedendant" review of the votes show that they win, its fairly obvious that we probably will never really know what happened. Instead of bringing this up over and over we should focus on how to prevent it in the future.
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:25 pm

I think we have all gotten tired of this subject, why must you bring it up again? Well, here we go.... let the fighting begin.

BTW, no one can ever prove that the voters whose ballots were invalidated didn't mean to vote for Buchanan instead of Gore, just cuz two holes are punched doesn't mean the ballot belongs to Gore. Who the voter intended his/her vote to go to will never be known, but thats the price they pay for being stupid.
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Tue Mar 13, 2001 2:41 pm

How dare you call them "stupid"! Are they "stupid" because one of the holes they punched was Gore's!? Would YOU be "stupid" if your right to vote had been taken away by a confusing ballot and outdated machines?

That is disgusting. Absolutely. It is our duty to make sure everyone gets a chance to vote, and here you are laughing at them.
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Tue Mar 13, 2001 3:16 pm

This could, *perhaps*, be an interesting historical footnote.

What shall we do about it? Make a constitutional amendment to not have more than TWO persons run for office at one time?

Who should certify the legitimacy of the ballots PRIOR to the vote in the place of Democrats if they cannot trust *themselves* to not only vote correctly, but to DESIGN and SIGN OFF on the ballots themselves?

I'm afraid that "votes" are just not counted like this in real life. There can be no "do-overs" as they would be very problematic. "what ifs" are for comic books, movies and entertainment. speculation.


 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Tue Mar 13, 2001 3:24 pm

Some people here are under-minding the fact that the wrong man is occupying the White House!

Not only did Gore win the popular vote, but he won the electoral in reality.

This should never happen in a democracy!



Why should anybody give Bush Jr. a chance?
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Tue Mar 13, 2001 7:52 pm

Al Gore didn't win the popular vote. He got more votes than George W. Bush. If you look at the Federalist papers it clearly states that the framers of the Constitution were deathly afraid of a single massive state (in that day and age, Virginia) dominating the Union. So they decided to make it so that people from small states (like New Hampshire) have votes that count for a lot more than people from large states.

This effect is somewhat mitigated by the fact that G

The Federalists never meant for the popular vote to mean squat. Sorry, but that's the way it goes. George Bush won most of the land area of the United States- if you look at a map you'll see that it's mostly red territory. He won most of the counties of the United States where Gore won the urban areas.

Depending on how you count it, George Bush has a gigantic mandate. Most of the wealthy voted for him. Most of the farmers voted for him. If George Bush's voters decided to form their own country it would be a relatively contiguous (albeit rural, except for Texas) nation.

Plus I believe that the fact that voter stupidity decided this election race means that Gore's voters were least able to discern what he meant. If Gore voters can't read SIMPLE instructions that a fourth grader could follow, then how could one expect them to understand all of that Harvard B.S that he spouted? It would be easier for a Democrat to fool a stupid person and that is exactly what Gore did. Except he managed to fool people who were so stupid that they couldn't come through for him. At least George Bush managed to fool people who were smart enough to vote correctly.
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Tue Mar 13, 2001 9:13 pm

It's not our fault that some stupid old people didnt punch the right hole. It's there fault. I suggest you get this behind you, its really starting to become quite petty and annoying.


BTW: Your Topic says nothing about your post. Be more specific, and try not to start fights.

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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Tue Mar 13, 2001 10:35 pm

FlyBoeing,

You are 100% correct in your assessments!  Smile

People forget that when the Constitution was being debated and written, there was much fear that states with large urban populations (e.g., Massachusetts, New York, and Pennsylvania) would overly-dominate politics if everything was done by popular vote. That was why they instituted the Electoral College specifically to give states with smaller populations a bigger voice in government--and that proved to be the difference in the last Presidential election.

I think the Founding Fathers definitely understood the word demagogue, that's to be sure.
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 6:13 am

No less a resource then the Miami Herald came to the exact opposite conclusion.

The decimation of Al's political ambitions is one of the best things that could have happened to this country.

GW is already proving himself a able and excellent leader.

WN will never admit that either. He is blind to all but his view.
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 6:56 am

Of course Gore is/was the real winner. Are there serious people who doubt that?

And that's why many people outside the U.S. ridicule your electoral system (very very outdated indeed).

In a true fair election, everyone (I mean in all states) would have got ballots looking exactly the same, where you have to make a cross with a pen right next to the candidate you favor. There must also be the same counting procedure/system.

Anyway, good luck with Dubya...  Wink/being sarcastic

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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:48 am

"And that's why many people outside the U.S. ridicule your electoral system (very very outdated indeed)."

When you say "people outside the U.S.", you mean socialists in Europe, right?
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:56 am

WN just can't face the truth!
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 8:57 am

L-188, N312RC, and DeltaRNOmd-80, all of your arguments on why Bush won have centered around your idea that he had a pre-ordained right to the White House. You have no facts to back it up other than the belief that a machine with a 3% margin of error can accurately portray the outcome of a 1/10th of 1% election. Do you actually believe this??

And there is no doubt that had the election gone correctly, Gore would be our President. Don't give me any of that "right from heaven" crap. Bush has to win it like everyone else, it won't be handed to him by the USSC (R) next time.

Think of it this way, if Gore could beat Bush in 2000, we won't have to look far for someone good enough to do it again in 2004!
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FlyBoeing

Wed Mar 14, 2001 11:11 am

Correction!

What significance does land area have to do with the significance of the vote?

Alaska is the largest state in land area and Rhode Island is the smallest.
It's not land area that determines who the winner is.

When the framers of the constitution made up the electoral system, only white-male land owners were allowed to vote.
So what if G.W. won more states!
If those state are mostly empty, then the quantity of states is irrellevant.

Even with the electoral system, the 'big states' are more competative than small states.

If there's only 1 person that lives in one state and 1,000,000 that lives in another, the larger populated state carries more power in the popular and electoral vote.

Gore won both the popular and electoral vote according to the laws of the constitution.
The election was rigged down in Florida.
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 11:29 am

Damn Right he did. I knew he won Florida on Election Night.

So George W, What you gonna say now?

GORE IN 4

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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 11:34 am

If nothing else, Ol' Dubya can rub two things in the face of Gore:

1: He took the oath of office, not Al.

2. Even assuming Gore still wants the White House so bad that he can taste it, he has to watch ANOTHER 4 years of his life go by before he even has a CHANCE of it happening.
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 11:37 am

Interesting speculation on all fronts.

But if you're looking for the "rig" in the vote, look no further than the early and unsupported "call" of Florida for Gore, when polls weres till open in the state, and in most of the rest of the country.

Just as you may speculate that the errors on the "butterfly ballots" caused votes for Mr. Gore to be mis-cast, we may equally speculate that, consistent with projections and voting trends, had the early and unsupported call not been made, Bush would have (1) won Florida by a comfortable margin, and (2) won enough other (very closely-contested) states to remove the controversy.

But, of course, it would have been speculation.

You cannot change the standards for counting votes, after the votes have been cast.
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 11:49 am

Sccutler, the problem with that is that it works both ways. When Rep voters saw Bush losing, they decided not to vote; when Dem voters saw Gore winning, they decided not to vote. You can't say Bush would have made up more votes than Gore.


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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 12:10 pm

This contest can and will likely be debated for at least the next 4 years.

To all of you Gore supporters, just answer me the one question that continues to go unanswered.

Why did the design of the ballot(s) become an issue AFTER the election? Were sample ballots not sent out and/or printed in the newspapers before hand? Wasn't said ballot approved by BOTH sides?

Please explain.

One simple solution to this mess would be to eliminate all ambiguity that has been the source of all this debate:
namely the "hanging and dimpled" chads.

Either the chad is completely removed, and the vote counts.
Or the chad is still attached, and the vote gets thrown out.

The "intent" is irrelevant. Those are the rules. If you are incapable or unwilling to take the time to make sure your vote gets properly counted, then that is no ones fault but your own.
Enough of this perpetual finger pointing.

 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 12:52 pm

The sample ballot was not the one used. They changed it after worries of seniors being able to read the small print came up.

We all make mistakes, and this was a big one.
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:20 pm

There are several problems with this junk.

The group used the most liberal, lax methods of giving all votes that could POSSIBLY be counted for Gore to him. These methods were changed more than once AFTER the election took place.

The rules are the rules:
--both sides pre-approved the exact ballot with no complaints at all.
--No one can can change the counting standards during and after the election.
--A vote is not a vote unless it shows a true 100% intent of the voter.

"The ballots/machines are too complicated?"...HA HA HA....That must be why whole classes of early elementary students figured them out with no problem right? Sure enough, if you don't believe me, look the article up. It is a widely known observation.

And yes, I think it's hilarious people are too stupid to figure out the ballot. This ballot has been used for decades. I glanced at it and figured it out in like .0005 seconds.

Well anyway, the rightful man is in office, and Gore's political credibility, as well as the Clintons', is going down the drain more everyday, so I'm happy.  Wink/being sarcastic

And Were Nuts, just for you, sail yourself on your own boat into International Waters and then the rest of us will let you claim Gore as YOUR president of YOUR OWN country. Take who ever you want with you.



 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:24 pm

I saw the ballot, and most third graders I know could accurately punch the holes beside the candidate they wanted. True, the ballot does require some looking at (to find which hole the line from Gore/Lieberman pointed to), but they should have looked at it and paid more attention. That was a "mental mistake" on their part, and I have no sympathy for them at all. Maybe in the next election, they will pay more attention, so maybe this whole fiasco was a good thing, in terms of educating dumb voters.
 
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The Electoral College

Wed Mar 14, 2001 1:45 pm

Who cares what some European socialist thinks about our system. They can take a hike. Of course they wouldn't like it being they grew up in a society unfavorable to individual rights and personal responsibilities.

Here is a re-post of mine:
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The EC is needed because it allows equal representation to ALL of the nation's people by providing a certain amount of electors to represent them fairly. This makes a system where a candidate, or party, has to please MORE groups of people, and not just the very populous states such as New York, California, Texas, and Florida. The opinions and views of these areas are clearly different from the ones in the other, less populated states, so why should some city regulate what everyone else does?

A non-EC would "disenfranchise" the rest of the country's votes, in other words, most NOT living in a large city would get screwed over. The Electoral College prevents the formation of a demagoguery.

The EC takes in account the geographic distribution of people to give them ALL equal representation.

Is that concept too difficult for you to understand????
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:15 pm

I find it very inappropriate, childish, and arrogant for you to call these people, whom you don't even know, stupid. It only makes people take YOU less seriously (if that is even possible for Dusty Insane).

Now, if you want to prove me wrong, you'll have to show me some real evidence, other than that Bush had a divine right to the White House, 'cause that crap won't fly on this forum.
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:19 pm

It didn't matter who won! half of the US would be pissed off either way!
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:23 pm

Well stated We're Nuts

All they can do is poke fun at those older Jewish voters who pushed the wrong hole. It wouldn't be so funny if it were themselves or there grandparents.

If the situations were reversed, the republicans would be doing the same thing.

Bush Jr. supporters can not admit that most Americans wanted Al Gore for President.

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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:44 pm

Stop looking at me like that.

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Infantilism

Wed Mar 14, 2001 2:59 pm

First of all, isn't Texas is larger than Alaska?

Also, since when is the Supreme Court's decision based on Bush's "divine right"?

There was also the matter of "time" and it is very relevant becuase the Gore camp continued to change the pretext over which it needed a recount. "butterfly ballots, hanging chads, dimpled chads etc... with every indication the "process" would continue until by some measure Al Gore could be the winner.

very humorous is the "rigged" matter. "rigged" by "them" and "they". democrats signed off on the butterfly ballot, and a democrat designed it. It is similar or the same as the ballot upon which Jesse Jackson Jr has been elected.

As to the "popular vote" issue and the calls to do away with the electoral c. brought up again and again... think about this interesting response to that:

"Well in that case then let us do away with the Senate since two senators from North Dakota can cancelout the vote from 2 from California representing a gazillion people and lets do away with the house since One congressman from a district that gets 50.1 % of the vote has as much power as a guy that gets 90% of the votes from his district. Burn the constitution and go to a straight democracy and down the tubes"

Isn't that all consistent with your intellectual principle in the "Gore won the popular election" chant?

As for our friends in the EU who find American disfunction quite funny, perhaps your energies can best be put to use in solving the Balkans issue/"crisis" which has gone on for hundreds of years longer than the US has been in existence. good luck.
 
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Cicadajet

Wed Mar 14, 2001 3:06 pm

No!

Alaska is the largest state in the nation in land area!
Using the logic some of your fellow conservatives are using, Alaska should have more or equal power to Texas in the electoral vote. That's what the US Senate is for.

Why can't the Bush Jr. supporters just smile and say, "hey we got lucky this time around!"


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Re: Superfly

Wed Mar 14, 2001 3:38 pm

Hi Superfly.... I didn't know that about Alaska... I guess I could blame my public school education, but that would be a cop-out. Embarrassment

I certainly COULD, *in a Sense* grant that whichever side won or lost the political struggle amongst the operatives, super partisans and spin doctors etc, in the media and the courts, once the contraversy erupted over the closeness of the vote and thus opened the door to continued "campaigning" - that YES, one could easily say one side got "lucky" or "unlucky". I'll go along with that. While I'm NOT certain the Democrats and Republican would have acted *exactly* the same had their roles been reversed, there is probable indication we might have seen considerable "role reversal". so we probably agree in this.

But in THAT context, I just do not think its serves the nation well to pretend that ONE side "stole the election" after the fact.

The irony is that if either Gore or Bush would have stood for much -- or been clear about what little ideologically they might indeed stand for either before or after their views have been paid for...we might not have as close a vote as we did... I guess now we know what happens when elections are determined by mutual appeasement to "soccer moms".

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Cicadajet

Wed Mar 14, 2001 4:07 pm

I agree!

Besides if Al Gore was in the White House, the big oil companies whom control Bush Jr. would still be calling the shots.
At least here in California.


We liberals will be fine as long as Justices:
John Paul Stevens Gerald Ford appointed
David SouterBush's daddies appointment
Ruth Bader GinsbergClinton appointed
&
Steven BreyerClinton appointed

don't pass away or retire over the next 4 years.  Laugh out loud
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 4:21 pm

What difference does it make?
Both Bush and Gore ignored the cutting down of rainforest and incarceration rate of inocent people in this country for drug offenses.

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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 4:39 pm

In a democracy, the candidate who received the most votes gets elected.

In the U.S., people of certain states are more important than others.

Is this fair??

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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 4:58 pm

I would almost prefer if we had Nader and Cuomo in place of Breyer and Ginsburg. At one time, Supreme Court appointments did not have to be exclusively judges and lawyeres. (though I suppose Cuomo and Nader likely have law degrees....)
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 6:07 pm

The United States is not a Democracy it is a REPUBLIC!!! It never has been a democracy.

So this count everybody arguement is a moot point anyway.

FYI Alaska is the largest and Texas is second. Texas at one point didn't like that so they where pushing to spilt Alaska into two states. But then they found out that would make Texas the third biggest state.  Laugh out loud

 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 10:10 pm

It looks like this argument will go on and on and on like the argument about the replacement of Northwest's Diesel 10 fleet until NW decided to buy a combination of A330-300's and 757-300's.  Insane

Personally, this election has pointed out two major problems:

1. The mass media was calling the winner way too early in a number of cases.

2. There needs to be a massive revamp of voting systems. The Votematic with its punch cards needs to be replaced now.
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 11:10 pm


1.: It´s absolutely unimportant who won the popular vote - that´s the way the law is. You may debate whether to change the system or not, but that´s another discussion which doesn´t belong her.

2.: It´s certain the majority of Florida voters wanted to vote for Gore and thought they´d voted for Gore. However, many of them didn´t vote for Gore.

3.: It´s disgraceful you can´t reverse a mistake you made in the voting progress (hey, why don´t you Americans have boxes to tick with a pen, like everyone else has? Plain and simple and reversible. Hell, I made a mistake in an election one day, and I´m not 80-something: I had ticked 65 boxes but was entitled to 64 only, so I struck one out)

4.: You cannot possibly know who has more votes in Florida unless you count every vote by hand - given the fact that the counting machines have a margin of error of 1.5-3%.

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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Wed Mar 14, 2001 11:58 pm

Damn, I take a couple days off the forum, and miss a great battle topic like this. Too bad next week, there will be a newspaper article titled "Gore really did lose Florida afterall." Months later, Democrats are STILL crying. And We're Nut's, before you jump down my throat, I would be saying the same thing right now if Gore won, because no matter who the president is, at this point, it will not affect my life is any noticible way. I'm just tired of all the bitching about this. Damn.....
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Thu Mar 15, 2001 9:57 am

I told you the facts and the laws. Is that not enough? Obviously not Little Adam.

Yes, I still think it was pretty stupid of them when they filled out the ballot incorrectly. If I ever filled out a ballot incorrectly, I would admit it was my fault, and maybe even get a little laugh out of my "stupid mistake." I would take PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for all my actions. That is obviously something today's society lacks. Pity!

 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:02 am

Looks like I'm going to have to march right over to Washington and teach them about the wonderful parliamentary system of government, and how elections should be done. Honestly, this election really demonstrated how the media should stay out of election until the votes are counted, and the need for some serious reform.
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:07 am

I'll be right behind you!

Our political institution is a joke!
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A Little Help....

Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:09 am

If someone out there can tell me the way to post a scanned image, I have one which I think all of you might find interesting, and relevant to this topic.

And, what I think we can all hope is that some lessons are learned about how elections are conducted.
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Thu Mar 15, 2001 12:43 pm

Mr. Nuts and just about every other Liberal Democrat on the forums:

Guess what, it's all over. Gore isnt the president, no matter what you think and say. You are the small minority that wont stop whining. Why don't you go work for Al Sharpton or something, so you can live in your fantasy land.

You can all go to Liberal Land and pound sand for 4 years. Guess what, Gore nor Hillary will be president in 2004. Look at Hillary's approval rating in NY. It's just about to go into negative numbers. People are just plain sick of Snore.
 
Matt D
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Thu Mar 15, 2001 12:45 pm

Speaking of Senator Billary, I don't know which is worse....Billary herself or the idiots in New York State that put her there.

Well let them suffer. They did it to themselves.
 
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Thu Mar 15, 2001 1:02 pm

I smell the Whisky,
I accept the fact that W is the current president!

I just pointed out some truths that were not brought up in this forum or the right-wing media.

N312RC, you may be right, Gore nor Hillary probably will not be the President in 2004.
It may be Gray Davis. Big grin

The only person who'll be pounding sand over the next 4 years will be Bush Jr.
He has all the time in the world. He's not a real president. I am sure you Bush Jr. supporters know that he isn't calling the shots right?
He's taking the shots!  Laugh out loud
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Thu Mar 15, 2001 3:18 pm

Superfly, we'll have Bush pounding rocks in 2, if you catch my drift....

Oh, and for those who think Bush has a snowball's chance in hell of winning in '04 (which he doesn't), think of it this way:

If Gore could beat Bush last year, anyone can do it in '04! Hell, we could pit a soapdish against Bush and still win!

I don't know who the new President will be, but I do know that Bush will carry on another great family tradition, losing re-election.
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RE: Gore Won Florida After All!

Thu Mar 15, 2001 3:52 pm

I think beating Gore was quite a feat. It's not that often that the incumbant VP is beaten in a presidential race.

IMHO, election law should be changed so that any news organization which "calls" an election prior to polls closing will find its entire management board in prison. There is absolutely no need to call elections before the next morning.

Now I hear Clinton is thinking of running for mayor of New York. What's with New Yorkers? Not only do they welcome criminals, but they invite them to be their senators and mayors???

Charles
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RE: MAtt D

Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:43 pm

<< Speaking of Senator Billary, I don't know which is worse....Billary herself or the idiots in New York State that put her there. Well let them suffer. They did it to themselves. >>

Well thats undoubtedly the case Matt...but when you stop to think of Barbara Boxer, Diane Fienstein etc...the left coast has its own curse...

Tom
 
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RE: Cfalk

Thu Mar 15, 2001 11:53 pm

<< Now I hear Clinton is thinking of running for mayor of New York. What's with New Yorkers? Not only do they welcome criminals, but they invite them to be their senators and mayors???
Charles >>

Hey there, don't you beleive it for a minute Charles. Thats the media polling people that don't vote. Rick Lazio was a boy sent in to do a man's job. At age 50 or whatever, Hillary actually outworked Lazy-o.

Had Guilaini actually run (not had the colon cancer) a fork would have been in her already. She and Bill are quite lucky Dubya didn't make Guiliani AG.

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