Moderators: richierich, ua900, PanAm_DC10, hOMSaR

 
N400QX
Topic Author
Posts: 1981
Joined: Sun May 06, 2001 9:51 am

Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:28 pm

Are We Living Under the Communist Manifesto?


"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known, and he carries his banners openly. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very hall of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor. He speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in hearts of men. He rots the soul of a nation. He works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city. He infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A Murderer Is Less To Be Feared." Cicero, 42 B.C.


The only difference between communism and socialism is its method of imposition. Communism is forced upon the people against their will. Socialism on the other hand is entered into voluntarily by the majority of voters.
Even though the goals are the same, socialism is much more dangerous because it gradually enslaves the people without the use of visible force, while artfully disguising its evil motives with a variety of so-called noble causes.

The 10 planks of the communist manifesto written in 1848 by Karl Marx appear below in red.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


The Communist Manifesto


Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes. Property tax paid annually prevents the outright ownership of property, because if property can be confiscated for taxes owed, it can never truly be owned. The application of our rents of land (property taxes)are used for public purposes as envisioned by Karl Marx.

A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. The income tax was imposed upon the people briefly after the War Between The Southern States and The dictatorial Federal Government. In 1895, The US Supreme Court abolished it with the words, "The income tax is indeed a direct tax and therefore unconstitutional". The Court understood that, "No capitation, or other direct Tax shall be laid,..." Art. 1, Sec. 9, of the US Constitution, means exactly what it says. However, in 1913 there were enough socialist in Congress to again foist the income tax upon the people with the 16th Amendment to the Constitution. The income tax is not designed just to raise taxes, which could be accomplished very easily with a national sales tax. Instead, its goal is to punish achievement, invade privacy, and control the people through fear and intimidation from the most gestapo-like arm of our government, the I.R.S.

Abolition of all right of inheritance. Our inheritance tax puts all rights of inheritance in jeopardy. Property tax, income tax, and inheritance tax, should be abolished because they are all direct taxes and they all violate our God-given property rights. They could be replaced with indirect taxes like sales tax, tobacco tax, alcohol tax, or gasoline tax. Some advantages of indirect taxes are:

• They are indeed Constitutional.
• Our privacy would be protected.
• Everyone who spends money participates, including the super-wealthy, foreign visitors, illegal aliens, drug dealers, and others now in the underground economy.
• It is a pay as you go system - no April 15th.
• The IRS and all associated collection cost would be eliminated.
• Lower production cost will allow business to compete internationally.
• Prices would come down more than the expected sales tax increase.
• Business would expand creating new jobs.
• The money now in off-shore tax-havens would flood back into this country stimulating the economy.
• Manufacturing would come back home absent the over-taxation and over-regulation that drove them to foreign countries.

Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels. Our government does not normally confiscate property of emigrants, however, many laws and regulations have been passed in recent years which allow many government agencies such as the I.R.S., O.S.H.A., E.P.A., B.L.M., and drug enforcement agencies to confiscate property from citizens that are considered rebels. Much of this confiscation is achieved without due process of law.

Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly. The Federal Reserve System was created in 1913. It is not federally owned and nothing is in reserve. It is a private corporation with the power to increase or decrease the money supply by changing the interest rates and the reserve requirements of its member banks. It can create money out of thin air, lend it to the government and then collect the principal and interest from the taxpayers. That is why its owners always have and always will promote war and socialism to create inextinguishable government debt.

"Permit me to control the currency of a nation and I care not who makes its laws" Baron De Rothschild, brainchild of the Federal Reserve Bank.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." Thomas Jefferson


Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State. Communication and transportation are controlled by a number of government agencies, e.g., The Federal Communication Commission (FCC), The Dept. of Transportation (DOT), The Interstate Commerce Commission (ICC), The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). Public Television is also a good example of state control of communication for the indoctrination of the concepts of socialism and humanism.

Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvements of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. Dan Smoot's book, "The Business End of Government" revealed that the federal government owned 1165 different businesses like AMTRAC. The Bureau of land Management, The Department of Agriculture, The Department of Commerce, The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), etc., all promote a common plan of more and more regulation and control from government with less and less freedom enjoyed by the people.

Equal liability of all to labor and the establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. Heavy taxation, over-regulation, and other economic problems caused by our government's adoption of socialism has forced women to labor equally with men. Our industrial army is the Social Security System which requires membership at birth.

Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equitable distribution of population over the country. We are not living under this plank totally. However, we do have many large agriculture corporations who have combined all levels of production from the farm to the consumer. It appears that the goal of this plank is to reduce the number of family farms making it easier to gain control of all food and fiber production. This goal is fast becoming reality.

Free education for all children in public schools.... Communist and socialist have long recognized the value of indoctrination through a free educational system. And, it has produced a people with no understanding of the vast differences between the Free Enterprise System and socialism. During our Bicentennial celebrations (1976), a national poll of school children revealed that 46% of them believed that "From him with the most ability - to him with the most need." was part of our Constitution. Today all socialist, all liberals and most democrats believe the same thing.


----------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Thus it is easy to understand how law, instead of checking injustice, becomes the invincible weapon of injustice. It is easy to understand why the law is used by the legislator to destroy in varying degrees among the rest of the people, their personal independence by slavery, their liberty by oppression, and their property by plunder. This is done for the benefit of the person who makes the law, and in proportion to the power that he holds." Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850).
--------------------




--Citizens for Constitutional Government
 
Superfly
Posts: 37705
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:30 pm

Are you really bored?
 
N400QX
Topic Author
Posts: 1981
Joined: Sun May 06, 2001 9:51 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:35 pm

Aw, come on... read it. That wasn't enough time for you to read.
 
We're Nuts
Posts: 4723
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2000 6:12 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:35 pm

Oh please.... Come on Zach, you are more intelligent than that.
 
N400QX
Topic Author
Posts: 1981
Joined: Sun May 06, 2001 9:51 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:43 pm

Hey- I just wanted to toss it around while our 17th Amendment debate has subsided (for the most part).  Big grin

Sorry about the bright white text... I goofed.
 
We're Nuts
Posts: 4723
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2000 6:12 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:49 pm

Zach, you know very well that if I try hard enough, I can make the US look Communist, Socialist, Capitalist, Fascist, or whatever-the-hell-I-want-it-to-be-ist. You just can't make wild statements like this.
 
Guest

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:49 pm

Yes, that's exactly it. We're living in a communist world. New world order helicopters are going to come kidnap you and implant chips in your molars. I suggest you run, don't walk to your nearest bomb shelter with enough food to last 5 years. You will then be rescued by right wing militia from Idaho, and live the rest of your days in a vast underground complex taken from the CIA.
 
desertjets
Posts: 7693
Joined: Fri Feb 18, 2000 3:12 pm

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:49 pm

The only cool thing about Marx is that he was probably the most knowledgable person at his time about capitalism. Captains of industry admired Marx's analysis of the problems of 19th century industrial capitalism. Unfortunately for Marx he was very short sighted and could not imagine the major changes done by the world's government in the years after he lived. There are many more modern sociologists/philosophers/whatever you want to call them that understand and explain the problem better. Some of whom will be on my social theory final exam tomorrow morning.  Smile
 
N400QX
Topic Author
Posts: 1981
Joined: Sun May 06, 2001 9:51 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 1:52 pm

lol... Raddog- that was actually funny.  Big grin

Ok- give up on this thread if you like, it was intended to be a time filler anyway.
 
Trvlr
Posts: 4251
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2000 9:58 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 2:05 pm

You have to realize that even though there are many socialist aspects to our society, Capitalism is still its driving force, and will balance out any sort of shift towards actual communism which, if pursued to the extreme (which they are not), these influences may or may not bring about.

I don't think you have much to fear about the US turning Communist. In fact, I think your criticism of these aspects of our society is rather misguided. You are making it sound like you want an atomistic Hobbesian "State of Nature," which would obviously not be the right way to go.

This thread provided some great amusement. Thanks Zach. Big grin

Aaron G.
 
Superfly
Posts: 37705
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 2:34 pm

Thanks Trvlr for calming the fears of an obvious paranoid member.

Zach since your such a constitutional expert, what about the Fouth Amendment? Have you heard of this very intrusive Federal Government policy called 'The War on Drugs'?
It totally undermines the Constitution. Yet conservative hide behind the arguement of creating or perserving a better society!
Sound familiar?

Also Mr. Constitution, I have a pop quiz for you:
What kind of paper was the Original Constitution written on?
 
An-225
Posts: 3859
Joined: Mon Sep 04, 2000 2:55 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Tue May 08, 2001 3:56 pm

Superfly - I know!  Big thumbs up
 
bombstar
Posts: 684
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2000 9:37 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 5:19 am

there is nothing wrong with communism.
 
An-225
Posts: 3859
Joined: Mon Sep 04, 2000 2:55 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 5:26 am

Red Scare lives on!
 
DG_pilot
Posts: 805
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 1999 10:21 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 6:05 am

So far, the liberals on here have made no attempt to seriously respond to your post. In fact, they really don't care about the seriousness of this post--just proving to me they advocate communism (or socialism) and all the negative inherent characteristics of it, such as the lack of individual responsibility, over-taxation, and the denial of personal freedom and liberty!

Go ahead and joke around. Perhaps certain of you deserve what could eventually happen.

I certainly don't see any prosperous and secure Communist nations, do you?

 
Guest

RE: Hooray Marx!

Wed May 09, 2001 6:07 am

Karl


and brothers Groucho...


...Chico & Harpo.
 
We're Nuts
Posts: 4723
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2000 6:12 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 7:37 am

Dusty, perhaps you don't actually read things before responding to them (I can see how that would ruin your points), but even Zach openly admits that this was just a joke-post. Remember what I said earlier, you can make the US whatever you want it to be. If you want it to be Communist, then that is what it is to you.
 
AC320
Posts: 2809
Joined: Fri Jan 05, 2001 11:29 pm

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 8:08 am

We're Nuts,

That has to be one of the best planned insults I've ever seen!  Big thumbs up
 
N400QX
Topic Author
Posts: 1981
Joined: Sun May 06, 2001 9:51 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 8:13 am

>but even Zach openly admits that this was just a joke-post

Whoa there- I didn't call it a 'joke post', rather a 'time filler'. I just wanted to see what reaction I'd get from you all. I thought Raddog's post was funny, though.

>Zach since your such a constitutional expert, what about the Fouth Amendment? Have you heard of this very intrusive Federal Government policy called 'The War on Drugs'?
It totally undermines the Constitution

You're correct. It does undermine the Constitution. It needs to end. There are much better (and Constitutional) ways to battle drugs. The Fourth Amendment is yet another part of the Constitution that's been hacked at and all but forgotten.

So you're on the reConstitutionalizing America team now?  Big grin
 
JetService
Posts: 4611
Joined: Mon Feb 21, 2000 1:12 pm

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 8:40 am

You want a good time-filler; ask Harpo to recite the Commie-manifesto with his horn.
 
DG_pilot
Posts: 805
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 1999 10:21 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 8:43 am

Little Adam,

Looky there...NOW who needs to read the posts a little better? Perhaps you should re-read what Zach said, or will it ruin YOUR point?

No, he did not say it was a joke.

And whoever said something about an insult...
Whatever...hardly anything resembling a good insult..
 
ctbarnes
Posts: 3269
Joined: Thu Mar 30, 2000 2:20 pm

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 8:58 am

CstarU:

You reminded me of a little ditty by Irving Berlin:

The world would not be in such a snarl
Had Marx been Groucho instead of Karl


Keep smiling!

Charles, SJ

BTW, my favorate Groucho line was when he was interviewing a tree surgeon on You Bet Your Life. He asked: "Have you ever fallen out of a patient?"

Anyone else got one?
 
Guest

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 9:19 am

OK DG_Pilot.

Here we go here we go here we go.

Why do you persist in comparing communism and socialism?

OK....seeing as you think the two are the same thing I will answer the question you asked.

I certainly don't see any prosperous and secure Communist (remember you compare Communism and Socialism as being the same thing) nations, do you?

Ummmm....yes...actually I do.

Let me list them for you OK

Australia
New Zealand
Canada
Germany
United Kingdom

need I go on? OK...I will....

France
Netherlands
Sweden
Switzerland
Belgium

Want more?......

Ireland
Norway
Finland

and on and on it goes
 
DG_pilot
Posts: 805
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 1999 10:21 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 10:01 am

No, you misunderstood me Brissie--no suprise.

Here is what I said:
""I certainly don't see any prosperous and secure Communist nations, do you?""

You do not understand that Socialism is a stage of Communism. The popular phrase, "A Communist is a Socialist in a hurry" should explain that quite nicely.

I don't think they are exactly the same thing, but I certainly do think that Socialism usually eventually mutates into more-or-less Communism. The two are remarkably alike to begin with.

So, as Communism being the final stage of liberal develpment, let me ask the question again? Do you see any prosperous and secure "Communist" nations today?

Nada...



 
N863DA
Posts: 1140
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:36 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 10:25 am

I have now realized something;

N766AS (N400QX) aka. Zach - makes well-placed comments of note, which we may not agree with all the time, but are certainly based on relatively rounded opinions and actual logic. (and if nothing else, he always backs up his statements.)

I commend you, Zach aka N400QX, for a thought-provoking and well-versed post. (as always, pretty much...) I may not always agree with your line of thought, but we can be sure it's rounded and logical at least.

Matt D's are always based in logical thinking... but that goes without saying.

HOWEVER, if all DG_pilot can come up with is, "You show those God-damned liberals!" or some such tripe, then it doesn't speak too highly of him, does it?

I am sorry if this would seem offensive in any way - it is nothing more than an observation from a dumb Floridian. (who FYI did vote for Bush - intentionally. Whether or not it was the right decision remains to be seen, however...)

And DG_pilot, spare me the tripe of, 'there goes another God-damned liberal again, shooting off his mouth...' because, and I can assure you of this with all of the conviction I can muster, I am not.

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



N 8 6 3 D A
 
N863DA
Posts: 1140
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:36 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 10:31 am

And just as an aside, when you write 'God-damned', there should ALWAYS be a capital G in God, if ones believes in him. If not, it is a great blasphemy (assuming you are religious) to write God as 'god' rather than 'God'.

Just a note to DG_pilot (or any other) for the next time he insists on calling someone a, 'God-damned Liberal'.

God is God. (is Good, but that's a whole other post!)

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



N 8 6 3 D A
 
Transactoid
Posts: 785
Joined: Sun Mar 18, 2001 2:03 pm

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 10:36 am

"Communism" is one of those words that means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

One could argue that, "no communist country has ever succeeded", but one could also argue (as I would) that "no country has ever truly been a communism".

To some people, "communism" means a Russian-style dictatorship; this has no connection with socialsim and is a far cry from "the eventual extreme of socialism".

Anyway, I'm kind of rambling right now. I just hate how when someone starts talking about socialism, it inevitably leads to communism, which inevitably is misinterpreted to mean evil totalitarian control....
 
Superfly
Posts: 37705
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 10:36 am

DG_pilot
Can you point out a prosperous Capitalist nation?

The United States is not a pure Capitalist nation. Just ask a tobacco farmer.  Smile

Aviatsiya
I guess you can add the United States to your list!  Smile

Zach
I would wholeheartedly joint Constitutionalist if there cause were across the board. It seems like these so called constitutionalist as you call it, selectively pick the Amendment of there choice to fight behind.
The Second Amendment is where most of your energies are wasted. It attracts a lot of cooks like Pat Buchanan, Charleston Heston and Sen. Phil Graham (R-TX). That is no way to get a broad base of supporters behind an important cause.

In fact, a lot of Gun zealots are advocates of the 'War on Drugs'.

You also failed the quiz I had for you.
The Original Constitution was written on Hemp Paper!
What does hemp come from?

 
N400QX
Topic Author
Posts: 1981
Joined: Sun May 06, 2001 9:51 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 11:00 am

N863DA, while I do thank you for your gracious analysis, I do want to point out one error.

>HOWEVER, if all DG_pilot can come up with is, "You show those God-damned liberals!" or some such tripe, then it doesn't speak too highly of him, does it?

I believe you are mixing Dustin up with 'Hairyass' whose trademark happens to be that phrase. I do not recall seeing Dustin ever recite that phrase. If I am mistaken, I apologize, but I don't think I am.

I believe all three of us share a belief in God and would never intentionally make a statement of that nature.
 
Superfly
Posts: 37705
Joined: Thu May 11, 2000 8:01 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 11:11 am

Well if we are living under a 'Communist Manifesto', then I would love to see a Delta (old livery) TU-154, Northwest IL-62 or American Airlines IL-96.
Wouldn't that look cool  Big thumbs up
 
We're Nuts
Posts: 4723
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2000 6:12 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 11:13 am

You're right Zach, I misunderstood your use of "time-filler". I apologize. Still, you can't take this too seriously (especially after what I pointed out?)... but then again, you have surprised me in the past!

By the way, it must be quite embarrassing to have Dusty and Hairyass taking you (this post) so seriously. You have my deepest sympathies.


AC320, thank you Smile/happy/getting dizzy.
 
N400QX
Topic Author
Posts: 1981
Joined: Sun May 06, 2001 9:51 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 11:27 am

>I misunderstood your use of "time-filler". I apologize

No problem...
 
us330
Posts: 3506
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2000 7:00 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 12:04 pm

Well, my personal belief has always been that Communism was a great idea but has failed in practice.
 
N400QX
Topic Author
Posts: 1981
Joined: Sun May 06, 2001 9:51 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 12:10 pm

Sorry to burst your bubble, but communism will never, should never, work in the United States of America. Ever.
 
DG_pilot
Posts: 805
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 1999 10:21 am

N863DA...?

Wed May 09, 2001 12:11 pm

What the heck are you talking about N863DA??

""HOWEVER, if all DG_pilot can come up with is, "You show those God-damned liberals!" or some such tripe, then it doesn't speak too highly of him, does it?""

I have never said anything like that. I expect you to recognize your mistake. Perhaps you need to re-read everything!

If you are going to attack me, make sure you are in fact attacking ME, otherwise, just sit down.



 
DG_pilot
Posts: 805
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 1999 10:21 am

We're Nuts

Wed May 09, 2001 12:25 pm

I think it is serious. From his original post, explain to me what could be considered a joke??? It is factual and thorough, and is enough to cause alarm to a lot of people.

So c'mon, Little Adam, what from the original post makes you "automatically" label the entire post a "joke"? You can't say something along the line of "well, uh, it's too radical and crazy to be true", because that still does not make it a joke since the original post can be (and is) a very valid argument to a significant number of people.

There is no joking to it. My good friend Zach thought it was interesting and posted it for us to review in our spare time.

 
An-225
Posts: 3859
Joined: Mon Sep 04, 2000 2:55 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 12:25 pm

DG_Pilot preferst to express his conservativeness in a different, and perhaps more intelligent fashion. It's Hairyass who does this.
 
DG_pilot
Posts: 805
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 1999 10:21 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 12:51 pm

lol..shall I take that as a compliment?  Wink/being sarcastic

Good night everyone...
 
Trvlr
Posts: 4251
Joined: Thu Feb 17, 2000 9:58 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 1:33 pm

I second what I have said before.

Aaron G.
 
An-225
Posts: 3859
Joined: Mon Sep 04, 2000 2:55 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 1:35 pm

Yeah, DG_Pilot, take it as a compliment. There won't be too many of those coming from me  Wink/being sarcastic. It's just that I don't like Hairyass more than you, hehe.
 
We're Nuts
Posts: 4723
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2000 6:12 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 2:45 pm

Hell, I thought Zach was serious until he replied! It would not have surprised me.

You are still avoiding my points, though. If you want the US to be Communist, it will be... in your eyes. That's Democracy. But if you want to use that as proof enough to start a new edition of the Spanish Inquisition, be my quest. We'll destroy you like we destroyed McCarthy.
 
N863DA
Posts: 1140
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:36 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Wed May 09, 2001 9:17 pm

In which case I retract my last statement for the specific, 'You God-damned Liberals' expression, and apply it to Hairyass, (even tho he's not in this thread..... oh well.)

Either way my point still remains. You can rely on N400QX & Matt D to provide thought-provoking, level-headed posts. Other people cannot be counted on for such level-headedness. (From both sides of the spectrum, I might add.)

And I am sitting down.

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



N 8 6 3 D A
 
Guest

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Thu May 10, 2001 12:27 am

DG_Pilot

I did not misunderstand what you were saying. I feel that you yourself to do not even know what a communist state is. As Transactoid mentioned there never has been a communist state. (Also, Transactoid, please be careful calling it a Russian-style dictatorship, because it was the Soviet Union....Russia has never had it's own dictatorship....especially seeing as the worst dictator, Stalin, was himself from Georgia).

Some of you Yanks really make me laugh. On one hand you cry foul over socialism, but at the same time you cry over protecting yourselves. What is it to be?

A perfect case at the moment.

The US Government subsidises the US agricultural industry to the tune of billions of dollars per year. This is akin to a socialistic idea. These subsidies to the American farmer, keep the superior Australia beef, lamb, wool and other agricultural products from competing in America on a level footing. (I do not use the word superior in an up-yours tone...I say it is superior as it well known around the world in the appropriate circles, which country produces the best agricultural products).

To all of you "capitalists" out there, I will now call for you to stand up for what you believe in, and lobby your American government to act upon a recent WTO ruling, that deems these agricultural subsidies to be unfair, which keep Australian products out of your market.

The US government would not stop these subsidies (which Australian farmers do not get from our Government) because country America would go to shit, with massive job losses, and a huge downturn in your economy stemming from it.

Another effect, would be that the cheaper, and far superior, Australian product would be able to compete (and win) in the American market.

So please, go ahead, and show me just how true a capitalist you are and send that demand to your congress man or woman (and email me a copy of it as well, to show me you talk the talk AND ALSO walk the walk).
 
User avatar
johnboy
Posts: 3158
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 1999 9:09 pm

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Thu May 10, 2001 1:03 am

Vacationing in Idaho this year?
 
Guest

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Thu May 10, 2001 4:56 am

Good topic N400QX

These liberals are in denial about there twisted beleifs. They can't exept the fact that liberalism does not work and destoys the human spirt.
As a patriot, it is our responsibility to grab a hold of these liberals and teach them the values of America and conservatism.
 
Guest

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Thu May 10, 2001 5:05 am

I forgot to add:
I am sick and tired of these God Damn liberals and there communistic hype! It is time for you all to get behind Hairyass and get in lock step of conservatism!
That's what freedom is all about!
 
An-225
Posts: 3859
Joined: Mon Sep 04, 2000 2:55 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Thu May 10, 2001 6:12 am

The last thing I want to do is get behind your hairy ass, Hairyass.
 
N863DA
Posts: 1140
Joined: Sat Sep 04, 2004 6:36 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Thu May 10, 2001 6:14 am

I rest my case.

FLY DELTA JETS and sail UNITED STATES LINES



N 8 6 3 D A
 
We're Nuts
Posts: 4723
Joined: Sun Jun 04, 2000 6:12 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Thu May 10, 2001 7:30 am

Why doesn't anyone listen to what I said earlier?
 
DG_pilot
Posts: 805
Joined: Tue Sep 07, 1999 10:21 am

RE: Are We Living Under The Communist Manifesto?

Thu May 10, 2001 9:46 am

I'm in one of those moods were most anything makes me chuckle, and the last few posts on this thread kinda cracked me up.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: b4thefall, LCDFlight, miegapele, Newark727, rbrownleec and 32 guests

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos