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Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:42 am

"One nation under God was their cry [the founders of this nation] and declaration, Upon the law of Nature's God they built a mighty Nation. For unlike mankind before them who had walked this earthen sod, These men would never question the Sovereignty of God.

That all men were "created" was a truth "self-evident," To secure the rights God gave us was the role of government. And if any form of government became destructive of this end, It was their right, their duty, a new one to begin.

So with a firm reliance on Divine Providence for protection, They pledged their sacred honor and sought His wise direction. They lifted an appeal to God for all the world to see, And declared their independence forever to be free.

I'm glad they're not here with us to see the mess we're in, How we've given up our righteousness for a life of indulgent sin. For when abortion isn't murder and sodomy is deemed a right, Then evil is now called good and darkness is now called light. [Isaiah 5:20]

While truth and law were founded on the God of all Creation, Man now, through law, denies the truth and calls it "separation." No longer does man see a need for God when he's in full control, For the only truth self-evident is in the latest poll."

But with man as his own master we fail to count the cost, Our precious freedoms vanish and our liberty is lost. Children are told they can't pray and they teach them evolution, When will they learn the fear of God is the only true solution.

Our schools have become the battleground while all across the land, Christians shrug their shoulders afraid to take a stand. And from the grave their voices cry the victory has been won. Just glorify the Father as did His only Son.

When your work on earth is done, and you've traveled where we've trod, You'll leave the land we left to you, ONE NATION UNDER GOD!"

Judge Roy S. Moore

You can't say that he's not passionate, that's for sure. I think can help explain why he had the big monument installed. And yes, I know, and I'm sure Judge Moore knows that some of the founding fathers, most famously, Jefferson, were deists, not Christians. Just thought I'd point that out

But when even I'm willing to say that this poem borders on ranting instead of reason...
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:03 am

Judge Moore seems to be a typical "born again" to me .... He will do anything to get religion into the life's of people that don't want it... We Americans have the right to "freedom from religion" too. I wish people like him could see that.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:14 am

The man is a publicity hound. And a megalomaniac. And clearly is clueless about the Constitution he pledged to uphold.

And writes wretched poetry.

 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:37 am

The man is a publicity hound. And a megalomaniac. And clearly is clueless about the Constitution he pledged to uphold.

Hmmm.... kinda reminds me of another guy who could also be described exactly that way. If memory serves, he was from Arkansas....
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:15 pm

In the context of being a man of faith, Judge Moore has strong convictions. But as a man bound to carry out the laws of the State of Alabama, he should have put his PERSONAL beliefs aside, and simply carried out the law of the State. For him to ignore this, and then to ignore the Court he served, he did a diservice to not only the Supreme Court of Alabama, but all men and woman who hold deep convictions.

Hmmm.... kinda reminds me of another guy who could also be described exactly that way. If memory serves, he was from Arkansas....

When in doubt, of course bring up The Man from Arkansas. That's a way to slither out of anything, DeltaSFO. Unbelievable.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:41 pm

Actually, Jaysit made me think of Jesse Jackson, but that's just me.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Fri Sep 19, 2003 2:03 pm

Jesse may be a publicity hound, but basically he is just a big bore. And a clown. Jesse is a tired parody of himself.

Not a dangerous anti-constitutional zealot out to impose his own theocratic fundamentalist view of the universe on an unsuspecting populace.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 3:22 am

Judge Moore is a hero, quite simply. Most of us are so mousy with our convictions...we back off any time the going gets rough. This guy is not a publicity hound; he's a saint.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 3:36 am

When in doubt, of course bring up The Man from Arkansas. That's a way to slither out of anything, DeltaSFO. Unbelievable.

For Christ's sake, relax dude. You get so worked up. I know Billy the Pig has nothing to do with this, but I mean, come on, Jaysit described him to a tee. I just couldn't resist.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 3:47 am

Judge Moore is a hero, quite simply. Most of us are so mousy with our convictions...we back off any time the going gets rough. This guy is not a publicity hound; he's a saint.

Are you a comedian? Because if you aren't, you should seriously consider taking it up as a career. Lots of money to be made, especially for someone with your talent! Big grin
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 6:03 am

Mandatory "teaching" that homosexuality is ok, normal, healthy (even if you are morally opposed to it) =progressive, open minded, tolerant.

Mandatory "teaching" that homosexuality is wrong, unnatural, an abomination (even if you happen to think to the contrary) =backwards, intolerant, hateful.


Hmmmm.....
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 6:08 am

By any measure other than religion, homosexuality is a normalized variation of human sexuality, with historical and biologic backing. I wish my church would realize that so my grandparents would quit treating my aunt like shit.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 3:03 pm

It's not just homosexuality, though, it's that it's perfectly okay to have sex, it's a healthy, normal part of life. Even outside of marriage. Just use a condom and if you get an STD go to the doctor and let him work his magic, and there's always Planned Parenthood if you're really unlucky.

Hey, everybody looks at porn, right? I applaud Yahoo Groups for refusing to list sexual groups in their directory. Yahoo doesn't censor them, but it refuses to make them easily accessible.

Prayer is just a bad thing, period. How dare anyone suggest that public prayer might possibly be a good thing. Everyone but Christians and Jews have the absolute, inalienable right to NEVER be offended, and if they are, as long as they are fundamentalist Christians or Israelis, it's perfectly fine to squawk about it.

Yeah, I go party and get drunk every Thursday. Am I not a cool dude or what?

Worldcom. Enron. Arthur Anderson. The head of the NYSE being "compensated" with about 170 something million dollars. How can you claim to have "ethics" and be "a moral person" if you refuse to accept that God Himself is the source of all that is good, and the basis by which we as humans know the difference between right and wrong. The ONLY source of morality.

I'm not going to even get started on materialism. If you judge people by what kind of car they drive, what kind of clothes they wear, what they eat, who their friends are, and not by their character....then what?

Unfortunately, Judge Moore made some mistakes in his legal defense. He could've handled the situation better. Frankly, I'm betting that the monument will wind up Mississippi in the near future.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 3:26 pm

MD-90 wrote:

"How can you claim to have "ethics" and be "a moral person" if you refuse to accept that God Himself is the source of all that is good, and the basis by which we as humans know the difference between right and wrong. The ONLY source of morality."

Well, this is the simplistic nonsense that angers so many people. Millions of people around the world are just as moral and ethical as you are, even though they believe in a different God than you do -- or no supreme being at all. Until fundamentalist Christians accept this fact, they will have a very hard time convincing others that their ideology is not extreme and intolerant. How many atheists say that Christians can't be moral? Not many. Unfortunately, the situation is different the other way around. BTW, if you really think that only Christians can be moral, maybe you should travel more.

"I'm not going to even get started on materialism. If you judge people by what kind of car they drive, what kind of clothes they wear, what they eat, who their friends are, and not by their character....then what?"

See, I'm an atheist and I agree with you here -- wonderful proof that one's belief in God (or lack thereof) doesn't necessarily have anything to do with morality or ethics.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 3:45 pm

I make no claim that I'm any more moral than anyone else. I have my problems too, just like everyone else. I especially struggle with the same issues that most every 19 year old male has problems with.

I'm not saying that atheists can't be moral. I'm saying that none of us would know what is good and what's not good if it hadn't been for God telling us. If you don't believe in Him, that's your thing. It doesn't bother me. I wasn't as clear as I meant to be on that. I sincerely believe that God has set for what is good and what is not good. Whether you choose to act how you think is right or not right is your business, not mine. I'm simply saying that you wouldn't know what the standard for right and wrong was if it wasn't for God.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 4:57 pm

MD-90 wrote:

"I sincerely believe that God has set for what is good and what is not good."


Fair enough; I have absolutely no problem with you believing that. I only reject the notion that one can't be moral without accepting (a certain) God. Millions of people prove that is simply not the case.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:16 pm

Judge Moore is a hero, quite simply.

Actually, he's a goat, in my view. He took his deeply held convictions and he, himself, without prodding from others, made them into a political football to the point where he looked liike a fool to most. He couldn't separate his professional responbilities with his personal beliefs, which he has to do as a Supreme Court Justice.

For Christ's sake, relax dude. You get so worked up. I know Billy the Pig has nothing to do with this, but I mean, come on, Jaysit described him to a tee. I just couldn't resist.

Do not lecture me how to act, DeltaSFO. You knew President Clinton had nothing to do with it (and, I see like the nut B757300, you always have to resort to infantile name-calling when Clinton is involved. So adult of you), you still, like all the idiotic Republicans out there who do the same thing, just HAVE to mention him, in an attempt to slither out of something you don't like. The man's been out of office almost three years, and you still haven't grown up enough to leave well enough alone.

By any measure other than religion, homosexuality is a normalized variation of human sexuality..

What other "measures." Whether you or any other moral revisionists like it or not, religion is where we get most of our moral compass in this world, whether you're a person of faith or not. And by any decent moral standards, homosexuality is NOT a normal variation. The only ones pushing that concept are the gay lobby, trying to gain acceptance for this unnatural act as something pefectly normal and acceptable. And, to most people, who know the difference between right and wrong, homosexuality will never be considered just another "normal" thing. That doesn't mean that gays and lesbians should be beaten on, verbally, physically or politically, as is the case with the reilgious right in this country, but don't tell me that it's normal. It's not.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:07 am

Do not lecture me how to act, DeltaSFO. You knew President Clinton had nothing to do with it (and, I see like the nut B757300, you always have to resort to infantile name-calling when Clinton is involved. So adult of you), you still, like all the idiotic Republicans out there who do the same thing, just HAVE to mention him, in an attempt to slither out of something you don't like. The man's been out of office almost three years, and you still haven't grown up enough to leave well enough alone.

Please... if you're going to get all indignant and accuse me of lecturing you, do you think it really gives you a position of strength to call me an "idiotic Republican"?

Read my post again. I am well aware that Bill Clinton is in no way connected to what's going on in Alabama. More than anything else, I said what I said to get a reaction out of people. Clearly, it's worked.

Finally, I resent you comparing me to other members who do resort to name calling and actually mean it. I don't always like the things you say, but I don't compare you to Indianguy, do I?
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:20 am

PHX-LJU, it doesn't have anything to do with accepting God or not. Just because someone believes or doesn't believe doesn't change how it is.
 
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RE: Poem Judge Moore Wrote

Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:33 am

As an atheist I find the suggestion that God is the source of all good and morality to be both offensive and dead wrong.
Everyone one I know, knows I'm both an atheist and a total square. My personality proves the 'good and morality' assertion wrong.
I pose this question:
Why does 99% of the American prison population profess religious belief?

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