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Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:51 pm

Well so much for democracy. Anyone remember Prop 22, in which the voters of the state clearly wanted marriage to be ONLY between a man and a woman.


http://www2.ocregister.com/ocrweb/ocr/article.do?id=57997§ion=NEWS&subsection=NEWS&year=2003&month=9&day=20


Davis signs AB205

By HANH KIM QUACH and THERESA WALKER
The Orange County Register


California's 20,000 registered domestic partners will get most of the commonly exercised legal rights of marriage under a law signed by Gov. Gray Davis on Friday.

Many new benefits deal with financial issues, such as making partners responsible for each other's debt and subjecting dissolving partnerships to child- support laws.

"This is a momentous leap forward," said Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, D-Los Angeles, the bill's author and a member of a longtime domestic partnership. "All in all, what it's really about is protecting our families and protecting each other."

But AB205 doesn't allow domestic partners to file taxes jointly. Lawmakers saw the state losing $4 million a year in taxes if incomes could be combined. The law, which takes effect Jan. 1, 2005, moves California closer to Vermont, which gives couples in "civil unions" the same rights as marriage.

Foes called it an affront to marriage and said they would challenge it in court. Californians voted three years ago in Proposition 22 to define marriage strictly as a union of a man and woman. Sen. Pete Knight, R-Palmdale, its author, said he'll file a complaint Monday.

"This proves that Davis is more concerned about scoring points with the radical left in his own party than he is about respecting the will of California's voters," said Benjamin Lopez, a lobbyist for the Anaheim-based Traditional Values Coalition.





 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:57 pm

And it's not just California's populace that has made their views clear on this. Every single poll taken in the last two months shows Americans clearly against same-sex marriages (or unions, if you wish). Now if only our elected (or recalled) officials will wake up.
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sat Sep 20, 2003 10:58 pm

I'll take Davis trolling for votes for $1000 Alex.

This is why a recall election was supposed to take place in 60-80 days in California.

The idea was get it over quick so the incumbant facing the recall wouldn't be able to give away government services to buy votes.

That is all Davis has done with this legislation and the driver license law he vetoed twice before.
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sat Sep 20, 2003 11:03 pm

All I can say, is props to Governor Davis. At least he's not stuck in 16th century...
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sat Sep 20, 2003 11:15 pm

At least he's not stuck in 16th century


Oh?


Care to elaborate?
 
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Sat Sep 20, 2003 11:47 pm

Matt D-

Less rights for someone based on their sexual orientation? Might as well base rights on skin color while we're at it huh? You aint' white and straight boy, less rights for you!

Anyone who believes a persons human rights can be limited based completely on their sexual preference is a moron.

seems you and I disagree on the most basic of civil liberties huh?
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Sat Sep 20, 2003 11:51 pm

And it's not just California's populace that has made their views clear on this. Every single poll taken in the last two months shows Americans clearly against same-sex marriages (or unions, if you wish). Now if only our elected (or recalled) officials will wake up.

If you were to ask people, say, in the 1920s, whether they thought black people should have the same rights as white people, the answer would very likely have been 'no'. But I don't think that means public opinion was right, does it? This is very similar. Just like people do not CHOOSE to be black, they do not CHOOSE to be gay. Not giving them the same rights is discrimination, pure and simple. Besides, who exactly would this hurt???

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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sat Sep 20, 2003 11:56 pm

So let me see if I got this straight (sorry!):

First, you are in favor of doing away with democracy

Second, the voice of a minority trumps that of the majority

Third, you believe that one wing of society has no right to dictate 'right or wrong' or what's morally acceptable

Fourth, you believe that another wing of society does have the right to dictate 'right or wrong' and what's morally acceptable.

Fifth, you still think we live in a democracy.
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:31 am

Awww, look at the homophobes going into histrionics today.

Bravo for anyone with the courage to stand up and say that discriminating against millions of Americans on a baseless claim of 'moral' superiority riding on the back of fear and misunderstanding is, in fact, WRONG. The very notion that love between consenting adults can somehow be categorized into right and wrong is patently illogical.

Time to go out with my gay friends and celebrate their hard fought emergence from legal oppression.
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:37 am

First, you are in favor of doing away with democracy

Second, the voice of a minority trumps that of the majority


Part of democracy is also caring for minorities. Why does it bother you so much if two gay people want to get married?! Does it affect you at all?
Not to mention that marriage bear tax benefits previously unaccessible to part of the population simply because they are not attracted to the other sex.
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:45 am

If two men can look at each others exit holes and meat, and get turned on, that's their business.

That's not what I have a problem with.

What I DO have a problem with is the double standard. I don't see why we should have to overturn a majority vote just to appease the "minority". If California, which is probably the "gayest" state in the Union cannot get the voters to pass legalized marriage, then oh well. The fact is that the people have spoken. They DO NOT WANT 'gay' marriage.

If you feel otherwise, then put it to a vote and try again.
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:51 am

Matt, with all due respect, I don't see how homosexuality issue affects you. Illegal immigration - I see your point on that, and even tend to agree somewhat, but not completely. Think about it - what if planespotting was completely outlawed on basis of some pathetic bullshit - all of us would be absolutely flaberghasted and mad because of it, even though WE are a minority. Same goes for the homosexual issue. I think it shouldn't matter what people do in privacy of their own homes; they shouldn't be prosecuted or discriminated against by anyone - police, other people, or government.

Now, for the marriage issue. I think I might have heard it, maybe even from you out of all people that marriage is really somewhat outdated concept. Just look at the divorce rate out there - it's about 55% for heterosexual couples. So to propose a law that protects the sanctity of marriage is rather ridiculous. And that's where gay civil union comes in.

Bottom line, just live and let live. That issue does not affect you or anyone else. We should concentrate on the fact that our civil liberties are taken away, and paranoia is prevalent, instead of that Henry sleeps with Richard...

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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:53 am

Please see my previous post.

[EDIT]

If what I'm reading in the Photography forum is any indication of what things are like out there, we already have a De facto ban on spotting in many places, and I've voiced my outrage on that many times.

[Edited 2003-09-20 17:57:33]
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:58 am

The fact is that the people have spoken. They DO NOT WANT 'gay' marriage.

And 80 years ago, people DID NOT WANT 'equal' rights for blacks. Since the 'popular vote' means everything to you, do you then agree that equal rights for blacks should not have been introduced? When blatant discrimination is at play, the government needs to take action. Despite what the majority thinks. And that is not undemocratic. The people taking these decisions were elected. Besides, people spoke out against gay MARRIAGE. They said nothing about equal FISCAL rights, which is what this is about, did they?
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:03 am

Why is it that everyone wants to make things into a racial issue, or a sexist issue? I re-read Mr. D's post, and I saw nothing to the effect of him mentioning he was effected by the passing of Prop 22. I did however astutely pick up on the fact his grievance is based on the fact the Prop has been signed DESPITE the majority of Californians being against it. Hmmm, nothing homophobic there......
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:06 am

http://aolsvc.news.aol.com/news/article.adp?id=20030920061009990003

The poll in this report says support for gay rights in California is 72%

It's same-sex partnerships NOT marriage.
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:20 am

IMHO, if two consenting adults want to spend their lives together, regardless of their sexual preference, fine with me.

It's not my life, I have no right to judge. I have a lot of friends from various cultures and backgrounds and sexuality isn't what makes them who they are. Not once have I ever cared about that.

I think that what scares people is that gay partnerships last longer than straight partnerships (JUST MY OPINION)

Example: I have two friends I have known since high school. Both are gay men in their mid 20's They have been together for 6 years now.

I am a straight male in my 20's along with my sister who is a straight female in her 20's . She has had about 4 relationships that have ended, and I have had 2 that have ended.

Whenever we see my two friends that have been happy for 6 years, we cannot figure out for the life of us how they make it work. They do, and I hope all the best for them. If they are happy and contributing to society in a benevolent fashion, then why not let them have the same legal rights as everyone else?

Just my opinion.......
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:24 am

Values change and evolve. It comes down to this:

What gives one segment of the society the right to impose its moral views on the private personal lives of others?

The answer is nothing, in a country that supposedly stands for freedom and liberty.

Social conservatives (aka. the Christian Taliban) have no right to impose their views on activities that have no affect on them.

 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:02 am

I think using the word 'whore' in the subject is a little strong....

BUT, it does appear that he is trying to save his butt and not doing good for the state of California. The one thing that saddens me about people against gay rights (equal not special) is they don't realize a solid gay relationship can last just as long as a solid hetero relationship yet, in most areas of the 'free' United States, gay partners do not have the same legal benefits as the heteros; i.e. if one dies, parenting, taxes, etc.

Just recall him already.

GO CANUCKS!!
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:03 am

Davis is just insuring he is going to be given the boot. He also isn't helping his buddy Bustamante by making the Democratic party look more like whacko party more than it already is.
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:12 am

Same can be said about the lying, no-good GOP right B757300??
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:21 am

Scorpio is dead right.

There is a principal here some seem to forget: in a State of Law, a majority cannot decide the faith of a minority. Otherwise it's called the dictatorship of the majority. And that is a travesty of democracy, not real democracy.
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:03 am

If Davis is doing this to gain votes...

...then surely it's something that a significant number of voters would agree with? In which case, is it really so undemocratic?  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:00 am

>>>Social conservatives (aka. the Christian Taliban) have no right to impose their views on activities that have no affect on them.<<<

You sound more intolerant than those you brand, well, intolerant. I guess tolerance is only acceptable when everyones position is in line with your own.

Agree with me and your enlightened. Disagree and you are a Taliban. Scary indeed. I guess disagreement, constructive debate and the opposing point of view are quickly becoming an anachronism. Democracy is only democracy if the people can be corraled to your mindset.
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:55 am

Just remember, liberals always resort to name calling when someone doesn't agree with them or is kicking their butt in an argument. I personally find it amusing that they have to resort to the "Christian Taliban" argument. It just shows how out of touch with reality they really are and how they're about as hypocritical as can be.

Religious Extremist- One who holds to any set of ideologies that does not accept or coincide with the socialist or atheistic worldviews

Hate-Speech- A Republican's/Christian's/Conservative's lips are moving

Racist/Bigot/Homophobe/Nazi/Fascist- Anyone winning an argument against a liberal

Intolerance- Disagreement with a liberal's point of view

Hate Speech-
1. Anything spoken by a conservative that even remotely implies Politically Correct People deserve anything less than sainthood.
2. Anytime a conservative says something that disagrees with a liberal.
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:29 am

Just remember, liberals always resort to name calling when someone doesn't agree with them or is kicking their butt in an argument.

So B757300, every time you say DEMORATS and KLINTOON, you're losing the argument?

You have LOST a lot of arguments!!!!!  Insane
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:21 pm

All this typical and boring partisan branding is detracting from the real subject at hand. This libertarian asks again: what gives anyone the right to legislate and/or discriminate for/against the love between consenting adults? Talk about double standards.
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:43 pm

I'm not telling anybody that they can't practice their faith. I'm not telling anyone that they're going to go to hell. Unlike fundamentalists parading for sodomy laws, I'm not attempting to restrict anyone.

 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:08 pm

Matt D-

I agree with you this time!

What two people do behind closed doors is their own businsess! However, the governor of California went against the peoples will, which was Prop. 22

16 DAYS UNTIL THE RECALL! (unless the 9th Circus court rules otherwiese)
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:30 pm

My views are like this. If the Republicans are going to try and recall Davis, he should be able to do whatever he wants and needs (within legal means of course) to stay in office.

Also, in a Democracy, if the majority is always appeased, then the views of many people are never heard and never enacted. Sometimes in our history, the views of the majority is wrong in a moral and ethical sense. We need to listen to the views of the minority to make changes in our society so that we can progress! Progress and change go together hand in hand, if we want our society to make progress, we need to be willing to make changes for the good of the people living in the society.

Gay marriages, which seem odd to many people and even offensive, does not harm anybody in any way. It certainly challenges the life long "tradition" that we currently know as marriage between a man and a woman, but who are we to stamp this down on people who don't believe it. Certainly, a marriage between a man and a man or a woman and a woman causes no harm to anybody. Its not morally or ethically wrong either, and its definitely not criminal. So why the big fuss?

A century ago, people in this country wouldn't have imagined a black man with equal rights. If we had allowed the majority of the opinion remain rooted in our society, we would not have progressed to where we are today. And millions of Americans would still be oppressed, because their "minority" voice should not be heard. The beauty in democracy is that it allows for these minority opinions to be heard and to have an influence in making change and progress.

I have no end to this, so I'll stop here.

 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:23 pm

"""Foes called it an affront to marriage and said they would challenge it in court."""

And this:

"""Well so much for democracy. Anyone remember Prop 22, in which the voters of the state clearly wanted marriage to be ONLY between a man and a woman."""

_______________________________________________________________

I just came back from CA working in head office and I heard absolutely nothing scandalous about this. If anything people are too busy being horrified at Arnholds shenannigans than anything else and re-inforced my opinion that those so vociferous about *conservative values* on these forums are definitely in the minority.

The reality of the issue is simply affording same sex marriages or unions the exact same rights as their heterosexual counterparts. I'm sure most of you who are intelligent enough to take the politics out of it would agree that it is unfair to treat one section of the *tax paying* community seperately than another based on sexual preferance.

What bothers me is plenty of *conservative* businesses actively pursue the so called pink dollar but baulk at allowing us to have equal rights?

The pressure is building here in Australia to change legislation similarly, although it's not so much of a pressing issue as businesses and government have at the very least put anti discrimination legislation makes it impossible to discriminate against sexual preferance.

The judicial system here has for many years not allowed a deceased gay partners family automatically take the dead persons assets / property if a relationship for over 12 months can be proven.

Similarly we have access to joint bank accounts, home loans, family health care and the like. A lot of this was from government but the business community stepped in and recognised us just as quick.

Finally, the author of the thread is back to his subversive old tricks again in hiding his distate or dislike of something and masking it quite cleverly behind something that at first seems not bigoted but of a more important issue.

Most of us are not that easily fooled. lol

mb

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Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:11 am

So now gay sex is de facto legal. What's next? NAMBLA has always wanted for pedophilia to not be a crime. I guess the campaign for that will be stepped up soon.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:21 am

MD-90: Why the f**k do people lump those sicko pedophiles in with us homos? THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!! Studies have shown that pedophiles are more likely to be HETEROSEXUAL than homosexual. So, what is your point?

GO CANUCKS!!
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 3:53 am

So now gay sex is de facto legal. What's next? NAMBLA has always wanted for pedophilia to not be a crime. I guess the campaign for that will be stepped up soon.

And after an outrageous statement like that, you still want us to believe you're not a bigot? There is not the LEAST BIT of connection between gay sex and paedophilia. Nothing. Sex between gay people is allowed in pretty much every other country in the Western world, except for some parts of the US. Yet NONE of these countries, I repeat, NONE, have allowed paedophilia in ANY way. I can't possibly believe anyone with somewhat normal intelligence can write the absolute tripe in your last post. Unbelievable.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:49 am

So now gay sex is de facto legal. What's next? NAMBLA has always wanted for pedophilia to not be a crime. I guess the campaign for that will be stepped up soon.

Already happening. There is a lawsuit, I believe in Kansas, that is trying to overturn a man's conviction for molesting a 14 year old boy. They're citing Lawrence vs. Texas as the reason why it should be overturned.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:52 am

Bigots at it again. What is new here at airwhiners?
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:23 am

>>>My views are like this. If the Republicans are going to try and recall Davis, he should be able to do whatever he wants and needs (within legal means of course) to stay in office.<<<

Be very careful what you wish for. Politics in case you haven't heard is all by the numbers. What if Gov. Davis is advised in order to maximize votes he enacts a gay marriage ban, will you still stand by your statement? Or does your statement have the standard caveat of, "He can do anything he wants and needs so long as I happen to agree with it."
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:30 am

How come you can't get homos to discuss how they're perpetuating the AIDS epidemic? Doesn't the rampant "passing on" of this killer refute the tired argument of "whatever is done behind closed doors is nobody's business"?
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:35 am

How come you can't get homos to discuss how they're perpetuating the AIDS epidemic? Doesn't the rampant "passing on" of this killer refute the tired argument of "whatever is done behind closed doors is nobody's business"?

The ignorance in this statement is unbelieveable. There is no such thing as a "gay" AIDS epidemic.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:42 am

So now gay sex is de facto legal. What's next? People stereotype us ignorant rednecks of having sex with our cousins. Why shouldn't incest be legal? "What 2 people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is no business of mine." Right?
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:53 am

So now gay sex is de facto legal. What's next? People stereotype us ignorant rednecks of having sex with our cousins. Why shouldn't incest be legal? "What 2 people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is no business of mine." Right?

What exactly is the connection with gay sex?

Tell me, MD-90, what problem is it exactly YOU have with 2 gay people, who love each other, to have sex? How exactly does it affect YOU? Can you give me one good reason, just one, why sex between gays should be illegal? And leave religion out of it for just this once.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:02 am

I've got to drive back to school today but after I'm back there I'll answer your question, Scorpio. I don't have time right now.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:14 am

And leave religion out of it for just this once.

That's like asking you to leave your lack of religion out of it, which I think is quite disrespectful on your part. For some of us, our spiritual life is very important and you cannot simply dismiss it with a "leave religion out of this" attitude.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:23 am

That's like asking you to leave your lack of religion out of it, which I think is quite disrespectful on your part. For some of us, our spiritual life is very important and you cannot simply dismiss it with a "leave religion out of this" attitude.

Religion is something personal. It should be kept that way. My question was not 'why do you personally believe homosexuality is wrong?'. In that case religion could be brought up. But the question was: 'Why do you think gay sex should be ILLEGAL?' In this case, religion should have no influence, as each individual has the right to choose which religion, if any, to follow. making laws based on religious convictions means you are forcing your religion onto others. And that is wrong.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:53 am

So now gay sex is de facto legal. What's next? People stereotype us ignorant rednecks of having sex with our cousins. Why shouldn't incest be legal? "What 2 people do in the privacy of their own bedroom is no business of mine." Right?

Hey... if two cousins (or siblings!!!) want to get it on, I ain't gonna stop them. It's not my problem.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 6:54 am

Scorpio, I guess you could say that I agree with your last post.

Regards
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 8:38 am

Sometimes you just shake your head and wonder if we're stuck in 2003 going on 1687.
 
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Mon Sep 22, 2003 10:28 am

MD-90: There are some states in the union that do allow cousins to marry and therefore have sex. IMHO, this is wrong, but it is the law of that state and therefore, none of my business what a couple like that do in their own home. You still have not explained what this has to do with CONSENTING ADULTS who just happen to be the same gender wanting to spend their lives together.

If I ever do another long-term relatonship I would much rather have my partner be in control of my 'estate' (such as it is) than my family. I love my family, but someone that I choose to be with and share my life with would have more knowledge of what I would want after.....

GO CANUCKS!!
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Mon Sep 22, 2003 11:14 am

Could someone explain what they mean by "Gay Rights"? Do "straight" people have separate rights?

-Roy
 
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RE: Gay 'Rights' Passed By The Whore Gov In CA

Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:01 pm

Roy brought up a good question about "gay" rights vs. "straight" rights. One would think (at least I think) that individuals' rights are just that; individual's rights, irrespective of their race, religion, sexual orientation and such.

Now, there is also the question of State's Rights as opposed to Federal. If I understand correctly, individual States in the U.S. have their own authority to pass and administer their own laws, etc., as long as they don't circumvent PARTICULAR federal laws (ie: I think that it's federally unlawful to take an underage girl [under 17?]over state lines or into a foreign country and have sex, however in some states, it is legal to marry at the age 13 0r 14). State's rights on a state level vs. Federal law.

Although there is an obvious national backlash to granting same- sex "marriages", I would think that such unions would be a state's rights issue.

(The preceding is not an endorsement or approval of same-sex marriages, and, the contributor of the preceding opinion is in no way influenced by any voting group or financial support from any candidate or candidate's support mechanism seeking to hold public office, persuant to Jack's personal code of disclaimers act.)...jack

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