http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3405249.stm
The hubble is a great success story, and I must say the photos that we have all seen due to it are amazing.
May it farewell....
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RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
Maybe they should focus on something more important like the safety of the space shuttle... or the whole moon/mars thing... or their "New" space vehicle.
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Morons if you ask me...
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RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
Morons if you ask me...
In your vast and learned opinion, no less?
In your vast and learned opinion, no less?
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RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
So they want to spend billions of money on a moon/mars project that will most likely be cancelled halfway but keeping the Hubble up there is too expensive?
Also, check this quote: The shuttle craft that maintain Hubble are being retired in 2010 under the new US space goals which focus on voyages to the Moon and Mars. Does that mean the space shuttle? If so, what will replace it? And will it be worthwhile to get the spaceshuttle back in space if it will be retired in 2010 anyway?
Clickable link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3405249.stm
Also, check this quote: The shuttle craft that maintain Hubble are being retired in 2010 under the new US space goals which focus on voyages to the Moon and Mars. Does that mean the space shuttle? If so, what will replace it? And will it be worthwhile to get the spaceshuttle back in space if it will be retired in 2010 anyway?
Clickable link:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3405249.stm
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RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
It's not as if we are abandoning the entire science of Astronomy. Who's to say we can't build a better telescope? Relax--this is what we call progress.
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And will it be worthwhile to get the spaceshuttle back in space if it will be retired in 2010 anyway?
The ISS still needs completing so the shuttle must go back up. I seriously don't think the Russians can finish it on their own.
The ISS still needs completing so the shuttle must go back up. I seriously don't think the Russians can finish it on their own.
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It was far from certain before the Moon/Mars programme was first mooted that Hubble would have a life extension anyway, it's been up since 1990, has already far exceeded expectations in both the science results and the lifespan of the telescope.
A replacement, the Next Generation Space Telescope, is already being designed.
It will launch around 2010 in an orbit much further out than Hubble, and will have the potential to far exceed Hubbles great achievements.
A replacement, the Next Generation Space Telescope, is already being designed.
It will launch around 2010 in an orbit much further out than Hubble, and will have the potential to far exceed Hubbles great achievements.
RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
Further reading on this has indicated that the new telescope, The James Webb Telescope, will operate from 2012.
Hubble is due a reservicing next year, 4 out of the 6 gyros are working, however it seems like abandoning Hubble is related to the recommendations for safety for Shuttle reflights.
Hubble is in a different orbit to ISS, and any new Shuttle missions will have to either be based at or near ISS, so if anything goes wrong, the crew can use the ISS as a base to either repair Shuttle, or stay until a rescue flight can reach them.
So Hubble's demise has everything to do with Columbia, and nothing to do with any new Manned spaceflight programme.
Hubble is due a reservicing next year, 4 out of the 6 gyros are working, however it seems like abandoning Hubble is related to the recommendations for safety for Shuttle reflights.
Hubble is in a different orbit to ISS, and any new Shuttle missions will have to either be based at or near ISS, so if anything goes wrong, the crew can use the ISS as a base to either repair Shuttle, or stay until a rescue flight can reach them.
So Hubble's demise has everything to do with Columbia, and nothing to do with any new Manned spaceflight programme.
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"Further reading on this has indicated that the new telescope, The James Webb Telescope, will operate from 2012."
See? Nothing to worry about.
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See? Nothing to worry about.
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RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
Manned exploration (and ultimately colonisation) of space is vital to the survival of the human race as well as a great way to scratch an itch for exploration that intelligent human beings tend to have.
As said, the retirement of Hubble around 2010 was planned a long time ago. She's nearing the end of her designed life and her replacement is already under construction.
As said, the retirement of Hubble around 2010 was planned a long time ago. She's nearing the end of her designed life and her replacement is already under construction.
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More about free up shuttle missions for the trips that they have missed since the Colombia accident.
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RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
The ISS still needs completing so the shuttle must go back up. I seriously don't think the Russians can finish it on their own.
The Russians have provided most of the launches, no?
The Russians have provided most of the launches, no?
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All I know is that I felt sad when I came to know about this news. I am sure this is a progress and this had to happen but the contributions of hubble would always be acknowledged.
RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
When all of our telescopes become earthbound,
When all our Transatlantic flights take 8+ hours,
When the pilot, or the cashier, or the welder in the factory are eliminated completely,
It is safe to say that the golden age of being human is sadly and slowly coming to a very painful end.
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When all our Transatlantic flights take 8+ hours,
When the pilot, or the cashier, or the welder in the factory are eliminated completely,
It is safe to say that the golden age of being human is sadly and slowly coming to a very painful end.
DLKAPA
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RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
The Russians have provided most of the launches, no?
No.
Most all heavy-lift launches for construction were provided by the Shuttle. Zarya is the obvious exception.
Most major crew rotations have been with the Shuttle.
No.
Most all heavy-lift launches for construction were provided by the Shuttle. Zarya is the obvious exception.
Most major crew rotations have been with the Shuttle.
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Put one similar on the moon....kill two birds with one stone..!
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There is serious talk about scaling down the size of the ISS.
Most of the modules where designed with the shuttle landing bay in mind.
Converting those over for flight on a different rocket system is probably not practicable.
Most of the modules where designed with the shuttle landing bay in mind.
Converting those over for flight on a different rocket system is probably not practicable.
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Personally I wish they'd never started ISS...it was the late reaction to a long-running problem.
Over five years into the Shuttle program--Oh Sh!t!! We forgot to send up a space station...the primary mission of our Shuttle! Thus, Freedom was born...and promptly killed off by Congress.
Apparently some years after that debacle, Oh Sh!t!!! We're dragging our feet AGAIN! Answer? Build a mega-million dollar module to connect with Mir. Done. Something like nine dockings took place. Destroyed within two years.
And thus the ISS was born. Everything about it is representative of the Shuttle program as a whole. Bloated and essentially worth very little.
Converting those over for flight on a different rocket system is probably not practicable.
Agreed. It'll never happen. The USA has no heavy-lift launcher capability outside of the Shuttle.
Over five years into the Shuttle program--Oh Sh!t!! We forgot to send up a space station...the primary mission of our Shuttle! Thus, Freedom was born...and promptly killed off by Congress.
Apparently some years after that debacle, Oh Sh!t!!! We're dragging our feet AGAIN! Answer? Build a mega-million dollar module to connect with Mir. Done. Something like nine dockings took place. Destroyed within two years.
And thus the ISS was born. Everything about it is representative of the Shuttle program as a whole. Bloated and essentially worth very little.
Converting those over for flight on a different rocket system is probably not practicable.
Agreed. It'll never happen. The USA has no heavy-lift launcher capability outside of the Shuttle.
I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
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That is because The US lost the focus of the space program. They decided after Skylab that "Okay, I guess we can just sit back on our asses and watch the shuttle go up every 90 days or so."
The shuttle program is sadly one of the biggest wastes of tax dollars in U.S. history. There was real potential to change commercial aviation with the project, but instead, the shuttle became the billion dollar taxicab that ferried people to and from the billion dollar tin can.
What are we gaining out of the space shuttle. Sure, it is cool that we have the technology to blast millions of pounds of stuff into outer space, but what are they doing when they get there?
The hubble was really the only useful thing that the shuttle did, otherwise there was nothing.
We will Endeavor to waste all of our tax dollars in the Discovery of new ways to waste the tax dollars, by naming our rockets names like Atlantis to make people think we are actually thinking, and then we ran out of rational names along with rational ideas, and along came Columbia.
The mars missions and the Idea of the space station on the moon is really where it's at. We are finally remembering the dream of the oringinal astronauts. Discovery.
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Seriously, did Discovery really discover anything?
The shuttle program is sadly one of the biggest wastes of tax dollars in U.S. history. There was real potential to change commercial aviation with the project, but instead, the shuttle became the billion dollar taxicab that ferried people to and from the billion dollar tin can.
What are we gaining out of the space shuttle. Sure, it is cool that we have the technology to blast millions of pounds of stuff into outer space, but what are they doing when they get there?
The hubble was really the only useful thing that the shuttle did, otherwise there was nothing.
We will Endeavor to waste all of our tax dollars in the Discovery of new ways to waste the tax dollars, by naming our rockets names like Atlantis to make people think we are actually thinking, and then we ran out of rational names along with rational ideas, and along came Columbia.
The mars missions and the Idea of the space station on the moon is really where it's at. We are finally remembering the dream of the oringinal astronauts. Discovery.
DLKAPA
Seriously, did Discovery really discover anything?
And all at once the crowd begins to sing: Sometimes the hardest thing and the right thing are the same
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"...and then we ran out of rational names along with rational ideas, and along came Columbia."
I hate to break this to you, but the orbiter Columbia was the second Shuttle ever built. The first was the Enterprise and it was a prototype that never flew in space.
And as to the lack of "rational" names:
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/resources/orbiters/columbia.html
"Columbia, the oldest orbiter in the Shuttle fleet, is named after the Boston, Massachusetts based sloop captained by American Robert Gray. On May 11, 1792, Gray and his crew maneuvered the Columbia past the dangerous sandbar at the mouth of a river extending more than 1,000 miles through what is today south-eastern British Columbia, Canada, and the Washington-Oregon border. The river was later named after the ship. Gray also led Columbia and its crew on the first American circumnavigation of the globe, carrying a cargo of otter skins to Canton, China, and then returning to Boston.
Other sailing ships have further enhanced the luster of the name Columbia. The first U.S. Navy ship to circle the globe bore that title, as did the command module for Apollo 11, the first lunar landing mission.
On a more directly patriotic note, "Columbia" is considered to be the feminine personification of the United States. The name is derived from that of another famous explorer, Christopher Columbus.
The spaceship Columbia has continued the pioneering legacy of its forebears, becoming the first Space Shuttle to fly into Earth orbit in 1981. Four sister ships joined the fleet over the next 10 years: Challenger, arriving in 1982 but destroyed four years later; Discovery, 1983; Atlantis, 1985; and Endeavour, built as a replacement for Challenger, 1991. A test vehicle, the Enterprise, was used for suborbital approach and landing tests and did not fly in space. The names of Columbia's sister ships each boast their own illustrious pedigree."
Space travel and research is critical for the advancement of society. Most of the modern marvels that we now enjoy are spin-offs from the space program. The Shuttle was not a "waste," nor has any space research been a waste to date.
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I hate to break this to you, but the orbiter Columbia was the second Shuttle ever built. The first was the Enterprise and it was a prototype that never flew in space.
And as to the lack of "rational" names:
http://science.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/resources/orbiters/columbia.html
"Columbia, the oldest orbiter in the Shuttle fleet, is named after the Boston, Massachusetts based sloop captained by American Robert Gray. On May 11, 1792, Gray and his crew maneuvered the Columbia past the dangerous sandbar at the mouth of a river extending more than 1,000 miles through what is today south-eastern British Columbia, Canada, and the Washington-Oregon border. The river was later named after the ship. Gray also led Columbia and its crew on the first American circumnavigation of the globe, carrying a cargo of otter skins to Canton, China, and then returning to Boston.
Other sailing ships have further enhanced the luster of the name Columbia. The first U.S. Navy ship to circle the globe bore that title, as did the command module for Apollo 11, the first lunar landing mission.
On a more directly patriotic note, "Columbia" is considered to be the feminine personification of the United States. The name is derived from that of another famous explorer, Christopher Columbus.
The spaceship Columbia has continued the pioneering legacy of its forebears, becoming the first Space Shuttle to fly into Earth orbit in 1981. Four sister ships joined the fleet over the next 10 years: Challenger, arriving in 1982 but destroyed four years later; Discovery, 1983; Atlantis, 1985; and Endeavour, built as a replacement for Challenger, 1991. A test vehicle, the Enterprise, was used for suborbital approach and landing tests and did not fly in space. The names of Columbia's sister ships each boast their own illustrious pedigree."
Space travel and research is critical for the advancement of society. Most of the modern marvels that we now enjoy are spin-offs from the space program. The Shuttle was not a "waste," nor has any space research been a waste to date.
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RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
He's also forgetting Challenger, NASA's shuttle of choice. Started out as just another Enterprise, then was converted to be used for actual space flight. It was also more advanced than any of the other shuttles. And incidentally, was the first shuttle to be lost.
As for Hubble, truly a very very sad loss. With a bit of servicing Hubble could stay up there till at least 2010 and continue to send back images before it is replaced. The article I read on yahoo said that Hubble may be pushed out of orbit by 2005. It seems such a waste, that for 7 years we'll only have land-based telescopes.
What bothers me is that NASA doesnt trust their shuttle fleet to fly anywhere but the ISS now. For what was once considered the safest and most efficient manned space vehicle, that's truly depressing.
Despite its safety record the Space Shuttle remains my favourite manned space vehicle. On some levels its appearance almost reminds me of a 757.
As for Hubble, truly a very very sad loss. With a bit of servicing Hubble could stay up there till at least 2010 and continue to send back images before it is replaced. The article I read on yahoo said that Hubble may be pushed out of orbit by 2005. It seems such a waste, that for 7 years we'll only have land-based telescopes.
What bothers me is that NASA doesnt trust their shuttle fleet to fly anywhere but the ISS now. For what was once considered the safest and most efficient manned space vehicle, that's truly depressing.
Despite its safety record the Space Shuttle remains my favourite manned space vehicle. On some levels its appearance almost reminds me of a 757.
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What bothers me is that NASA doesnt trust their shuttle fleet to fly anywhere but the ISS now.
can you explain that one a bit further?
can you explain that one a bit further?
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RE: Nasa Abandons The Hubble
It seems to be a good point by Aloha717200. It begs the question if NASA is going to abandon the ISS as well. After all, both Shuttle disasters were in the launch and re-entry phases of flight!
Did the chicken or the egg get laid first?
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can you explain that one a bit further?
No need to be rude. What I meant was that NASA doesnt seem to want its shuttle fleet flying missions that don't come near the ISS. That says that the reliability of the rest of the fleet of shuttles is in question (and rightly so), which unfortunately causes the demise of things like Hubble, because NASA wont launch a shuttle mission to go repair it.
Hubble is in a completely different orbit than the ISS and a mission to service Hubble may not bring the shuttle close to the ISS. It appears right now that is a risk NASA does not want to take with its shuttle fleet. Right now the ISS is seen as a place where the shuttle crew could stay if there was a problem with the shuttle.
No need to be rude. What I meant was that NASA doesnt seem to want its shuttle fleet flying missions that don't come near the ISS. That says that the reliability of the rest of the fleet of shuttles is in question (and rightly so), which unfortunately causes the demise of things like Hubble, because NASA wont launch a shuttle mission to go repair it.
Hubble is in a completely different orbit than the ISS and a mission to service Hubble may not bring the shuttle close to the ISS. It appears right now that is a risk NASA does not want to take with its shuttle fleet. Right now the ISS is seen as a place where the shuttle crew could stay if there was a problem with the shuttle.