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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 9:29 am

MD-90,

Isn't it amazing how along comes the Quran ~1300 years later and calls for women to be treated a whole lot worse.

Excuse me? What in the world are you talking about?

Oh, so because nations like Saudi Arabia don't given women much rights, Islam treats women bad?

In Islam, women need to be treated with respect. According to Sharia law (Islamic Law), if the husband is mistreating his wife, the wife should immediately inform her family members and arrange for a divorce.
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Marco
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 10:06 am

Very well said gc. The Bible doesn't endorse either of those things. Ignorance does.
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csavel
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 10:31 am

If he wanted to alert the porn stores' customers to what he believes is immorality, he could have just stood there and passed out literature, or even put some on car windshields. But when he looks up the license plate and mails a postcard home, where it can be looked at by the persons wife, or kids, or the mailman, a line is crossed. Not only will this ass humiliate the guy who's license plate he noted, but also possibly rend mistrust in families, and contribute to all sorts of domestic misery. It *is* blackmail and intimidation, as well as a colossal invasion of privacy. Maybe not illegal, but certainly immoral.

I'm not Christians but I suspect that *real* Christians, the ones who take the words "let he is without sin cast the first stone" to heart, cringe at what this arrogant and pompous modern-day Pharisee is doing.
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:38 am

So Marco you really read that much into a book that was written 2000 years ago by a bunch of different people, some of whom were not included in certain final versions. A book of which there are several different versions with different books added on or subtracted. Also a book that has been translated and retranslated so many times throughout history that its original meaning could be clouded at best. I got news for ya a metaphor in hebrew may not carry the same meaning as the same metaphor in modern english. Also can anyone even count all the contradictions there are in the Bible? All the things the Bible tells us to do to be "true believers". So I would most certainly place the Bible in the fiction section at my bookstore.

Don't get me wrong, I have no real issue with organized religion. I just have difficulty putting my faith behind a book with the track record the Bible has. Also my long exposure to a science based field of study soured me on a lot of the theories of how the universe was created and evolution.

I digress, this thread is not about The Bible or organized religion.

Yes what this guy is doing is blackmail. He thinks if he breaks up a marriage or whatever the offending party is going to find God. Personally I would expect the offending party to find a gun and his home address first.

This sounds like one of those non-affiliated do whatever God speaking through the pastor tells you to do (eg reach in them jeans, pull out them greens). The guy should be given the credit he is due and labeled a religious quack and ignored. He also should look into less confrontational means of getting his message to the porn buying public, like flyers on winshields.
 
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 11:55 am

"he could have just stood there and passed out literature..."

What a great idea! I would not even do that but I suspect there would be better results.

I think I'll just go touch the woman I'm not married to now. And I'm sure going to enjoy it.

Not all Christians are fools.
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Marco
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:18 pm

So Marco you really read that much into a book that was written 2000 years ago by a bunch of different people, some of whom were not included in certain final versions. A book of which there are several different versions with different books added on or subtracted. Also a book that has been translated and retranslated so many times throughout history that its original meaning could be clouded at best. I got news for ya a metaphor in hebrew may not carry the same meaning as the same metaphor in modern english. Also can anyone even count all the contradictions there are in the Bible? All the things the Bible tells us to do to be "true believers". So I would most certainly place the Bible in the fiction section at my bookstore.


Shows how much you know about the Bible, or the lack thereof. The Bible has withstood thousands of years of scrutiny. Your criticism is not new, and in my opinion not credible. Nice try though.
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MD-90
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:24 pm

If your wife is going to divorce you because she finds out that you've been renting porn videos, you don't have much of a marriage, do you?

My my my, people are actually embarassed to be caught buying porn. What a surprise in this day and age.

BA, you're right, I was refering to rights, not how a husband is supposed to treat his wife. Going around absolutely fully clothed, not being allowed to drive, not being allowed to go to college ... jeez.
 
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:25 pm

And on the last I must recuse myself from this debate, It's gotten silly and I must refrain from any response,
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MD-90
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:30 pm

It has IMP, it has...
 
BA
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:31 pm

BA, you're right, I was refering to rights, not how a husband is supposed to treat his wife. Going around absolutely fully clothed, not being allowed to drive, not being allowed to go to college ... jeez.

In Islam, women are encouraged to pursue higher education.

Being fully clothed is not an Islamic culture, but a Gulf culture. In Islam, if you follow hijab, the rule is for women to cover everything but their face and hands. In Islam, it is believed that the beauty of a women belongs to a husband only and should not be shown off. As a result, women are told to cover themselves to encourage themselves to express their inner beauty to their surroundings, their personal qualities, not their physique. And still, many Muslim women do not follow hijab because it is very debatable. Some say hijab was meant only for the prophet Mohammad's wives and daughters.

In the Quran, it encourages modesty of both men and women. That's right...there are rules regarding how men should dress.

I'm finding the not being allowed to drive part quite humorous MD-90. From my studies that I have done, automobiles were not around 622AD, when Islam was founded.

However correct me if I'm wrong! I'm not trying to be mean MD-90, I am just correcting the many misconceptions of Islam and stereotypes that you hear.

[Edited 2004-01-27 04:33:12]
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MD-90
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:37 pm

Oops, that should've been 500 years later, not 1300.
 
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 12:43 pm

MD-90,

Ah yes, I was going to correct you on that, but forgot.

If you read the Quran or did a bit of studying of Islam, I think you would be very very surprised as to how closely related Islam is to both Christianity and Judaism.

Jesus Christ is mentioned so many times in the Quran. The only difference between Christianity's interpretiation of Jesus Christ versus Islam's interpretation of him is he's regarded as a prophet, just like Mohammad.

He is very very highly praised.

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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:00 pm

Marco those that blow off the scrutiny have their judgement impared by their love of their faith. They just do not want to believe there may be another way other than what one book says.
 
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:15 pm

Startvalve, please write a book on every time the Bible truly contradicts itself, when its various books by various authors stray from the one central theme.
Please include every time it is truly historically inaccurate. Make sure it is well documented and takes into account all historical evidence.
Please keep in mind that everyone that has admitted to trying this have failed, and in most cases converted to Christianity.
I certainly don't think you're any brighter or any more of a skeptic than the likes of C S Lewis.
So try, or perhaps admit it is you who blindly follow your faith that there is no God.
 
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:24 pm

If I was the owner of one of those adult stores, I'd go out to gis parking lot, take a picture of his license plate in front of the church, and send him a nice post-card saying - "You have been spotted in church - isn't it about time to whack off? come (or cum - whichever) on over to our store and buy yourself a nice juicy blow up doll, Signed - Juicy Joe"

I wonder what he'd do.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 1:31 pm

I never said there was no God, I simply do not place my faith behind a BOOK.
 
Marco
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:07 pm

Startvalve, good for you.

I place my faith behind God and his word. You can keep your athiesm to yourself, not interested.
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:13 pm

Keep talking like that and I will mail you a post card saying you should go to church instead of hanging out on A.net (shown to cause blindness just like masturbation)
 
Marco
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:19 pm

Wow that's really funny.  Insane

Like I said, keep your athiesm to yourself, and respect other beliefs. Your arrogant, know it all attitude won't get you far.
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:36 pm

you're its a contraction of you and are..

I guess I am not allowed to have beliefs.
 
Marco
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:40 pm

you're its a contraction of you and are..

I made a little grammatical error, what a tragedy. It happens once in a while.

I guess I am not allowed to have beliefs.

I don't care about your beliefs. Just don't shove your athiesm down my throat. Keep it to yourself.
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Marco
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Tue Jan 27, 2004 2:49 pm

If you call that shoving ok geez go leg hump Jesus or something.

You can insult Jesus all you want. That's just disrespectful and low class. It reflects badly on you. Once again, you can't keep your athiesm to yourself. You have to resort to insulting another person's beliefs to re-assure yourself.

The last time I personally saw Jesus the border patrol was dragging him out of the trunk of a car that had just come from Mexico.

Wow, another wise crack  Insane

Cheesy humour.
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Wed Jan 28, 2004 5:19 am

You know, I went to my favorite used bookstore in Huntsville last weekend, and I did look for a Quran, but I couldn't find one, even though there were a bunch of used Bibles. I guess that figures because I doubt there are very many Muslims in Alabama. I don't personally know any.
 
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:51 am

As i mentioned above, I was totally mistake. I'm so sorry. Pastor is not extrememly stupid and nosy. He has to right to do this because it's his job to help people to stop looking at the porn and go to the Adult store. That's what my mom told me...

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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Wed Jan 28, 2004 9:20 am

MD-90,

I will see if I can find you a good English-translated version of the Quran somewhere online.

Would you happen to be interested in a documentary about Islam? I think you might enjoy watching one and you would learn a lot in a short period.

Let me know.

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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Wed Jan 28, 2004 10:39 am

And where is the bit it says to persecute minorities

Isn't it OK to take foreigners as slaves?
(although this is another area where the bible contradicts itself somewhat)

Isn't it amazing how along comes the Quran ~1300 years later and calls for women to be treated a whole lot worse. Where's Gigneil's outrage over that?

Surāh 4 would be a good place to start.

Neither this nor the bible are compatible with the modern idea of gender equality, but I don't really consider either malevolent in this context.

The Bible has withstood thousands of years of scrutiny.

Rather selective scrutiny. How many stonings and sacrifices do you see these days? Got any graven images? Are you wearing clothes made from more than one material? &c &c.

As far as the original thread-starter goes... it seems a little creepy to me, but it's not illegal per se, and the postcards are mildly-worded. Whether or not it's actually consistent with the rest of his beliefs is a moot point; I think very few people are wholly consistent. I'm certainly not.

Cast the first stone, &c.  Big grin
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RE: Texas Church Tracks Adult Store Patrons

Wed Jan 28, 2004 7:22 pm

"Isn't it OK to take foreigners as slaves?
(although this is another area where the bible contradicts itself somewhat)"

Err....not exactly. Again, taken out of context. This is to do with war and at a time when the Hebrew society was in it's early stages and life was brutal. The law actually speaks of treating captured prisoners / slaves well. The new testament (or covenant) then speaks of everyone being created equal. Paul says that if you have servants / slaves to treat them well because as far as God is concerned you are not superior to them ( a strong hint to free them or pay them). As you would have to give an account to God for your household.

Even this concept was culturally very radical. Throughout the the books of the bible, God gradually introduces the concept of equality and peace. Even "an eye for an eye" was radical at the time, because, then, if someone wronged you, you were expected to decimate their family and property too as a show of strength. An eye for an eye spoke about only responding in kind to the crime and showing restraint. Later when Jesus said, now turn the other cheek, that was another step forward. As humans we need to be changed gradually, and God is aware of that. But I guess if you take things out of their cultural and historical context then you can do what the church has been criticized for.

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