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Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Thu Feb 12, 2004 1:40 pm

Al Qaeda memo shows frustration

By Rowan Scarborough and David Sands
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq are failing to entice Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims into a bloody civil war and are discouraged by America's resolve to stick it out in Baghdad, U.S. officials said yesterday.

"The Iraqi people have demonstrated time after time that they are unwilling to participate in any of these activities by and large," said Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, deputy director for coalition operations in Iraq. "They are looking forward to a free, united and sovereign Iraq."

Gen. Kimmitt's remarks came after the New York Times reported on a memo seized in a coalition raid and believed to have been written by Abu Musab Zarqawi. A Palestinian traveling on a Jordanian passport, Zarqawi is described as al Qaeda's top man in Iraq, directing attacks on Americans and Iraqis.

Before the war, he operated out of the Ansar al-Islam terror training camp in northern Iraq and ran similar camps in Afghanistan.

In the unsigned memo, the writer expresses disappointment on two crucial issues: The Americans refuse to give up and leave Iraq despite taking daily casualties; and the majority Shi'ites and once-powerful Sunni sects so far have not engaged in a civil war that would destabilize the emerging government.

"We can pack up and leave and look for another land, just like what has happened in so many lands of jihad," the memo states, according to the Times. "Our enemy is growing stronger day after day, and its intelligence information increases. ... By God, this is suffocation."

The memo states that Zarqawi's strategy is to continue to kill Shi'ites in hopes they will vent their anger against Sunnis still loyal to captured Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein.

"We have to get to the zero hour in order to openly begin controlling the land by night, and after that by day, God willing," the writer says. "The zero hour needs to be at least four months before the new government gets in place."

The United States has set a July 1 timetable for turning over power to an elected interim government.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell cited Zarqawi in his prewar speech to the United Nations as evidence of al Qaeda links to Saddam's regime.

Of the memo, Mr. Powell said yesterday, "It certainly lends, I think, some credence to what we said at the U.N. last year, that he was active in Iraq and doing things that should have been known to the Iraqis. And we're still looking for those connections and to prove those connections."

He said the writings "describe the weaknesses that they have in their efforts to undercut the coalition's efforts, but at the same time it shows they haven't given up."

Meanwhile, Washington scholars back from a trip to the region said some Ansar al-Islam fighters have found refuge in Iran.

Jonathan Schanzer, a specialist in radical Islamic movements at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, also said other Ansar al-Islam operatives shifted their base from northern Iraq to the country's center to focus attacks on coalition and Iraqi targets.

Mr. Schanzer, who traveled the length of the country by car, said the operatives have established multiple small cells in Iraq's troubled Sunni Triangle. "They represent the infrastructure of al Qaeda right now in Iraq," he said. "It seems as if they had a contingency plan in place to relocate to the south."

Based in the Kurdish north before Saddam fell, Ansar al-Islam included Iraqi Kurds as well as militants from around the Muslim world. They regularly fought with Iraq's pro-U.S. Kurdish political parties.

Mr. Schanzer said Iraqi and U.S. border patrols report capturing three to 10 foreign "jihadists" a week attempting to cross into Iraq. "Those are the ones who get caught," he said. "We don't know how many manage to slip through."

Ansar al-Islam and al Qaeda cells in central Iraq tend to be small and decentralized, he said. Intelligence officials and prisoners interrogated by coalition authorities say Abu Wa'il, a former military officer under Saddam, has taken a leading role in directing terrorist training and operations in central Iraq.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040209-111042-9241r.htm

Other related articles:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040123-115833-3850r.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/11/opinion/11SAFI.html?ex=1077080400&en=a905af7de8236d48&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE
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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:06 pm

I think that what is now happening is Al-Quaeda trying to make Iraq into one of its strongholds. Now that the regime has collapsed, they think that they can waltz in there and take Iraq for themselves. This doesn't mean that Iraq had a connection with Al-Quaeda, just that they are trying to start a "hidden invasion."

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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:17 pm

That's good news. I have no doubt that al-quaeda was behind many of the insurgent activities in Iraq. Such action was undoubtely expected by military planners....what better place to fight al quaeda than in Iraq, on the battlefield of our choice, where the majority of our military forces are concentrated? We haven't heard much from al-quaeda outside of iraq since the war began. Coincidence?
 
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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Thu Feb 12, 2004 2:45 pm

I think it's good to get Al-Crappa all in the same place then it makes it easier for us to take them out  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Thu Feb 12, 2004 3:52 pm

Exactly Solarix.


Draw them all to some place other then the US mainland.

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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Thu Feb 12, 2004 5:35 pm

"Draw them all to some place other then the US mainland."


Real reason for going to war number 57 .... no 58 !


B757300 glad to see you are finally getting the idea of reliably sourcing your claims. Keep up the good work.

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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Fri Feb 13, 2004 10:24 pm

This one went right over your head, B757300. This isn't good news for the U.S., as far as credbility goes, it's bad news. For months, the Bush Administration has been saying that Iraq is the center on the war on terrorism, since no WMD's were found, and that Al Qaeda was a major reason behind the attacks. Now we find out that 1. Al Qaeda isn't major source for attacks and that 2. the insurgency is home-grown, not foreign-inspired. These insurgents are fighting an occupation, not taking marching orders from Osama bin Laden, public enemy #1, whom the President seemingly now has forgotten.

In other words, it contraticts everything Bush has been saying for months about the continuing war in Iraq. Again, another gap in the credibility of the Administration appears.
 
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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Fri Feb 13, 2004 11:52 pm

B757300:

"Nah, there wasn't a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda. It is just another fake excuse made up by the President. Certain people on this forum have said this so it must be true."

As your own article states, Ansar al-Islam has regularly fought with pro-US Kurdish political parties. Now why would an Al Qaida cell in Iraq supposedly working with Saddam fight for pro-US causes? Doesn't make much sense to me! Please explain!

While doing so, you might also explain why Al Qaida would setup a terrorist training camp outside Saddam controlled territory when they are supposed to be 'partners in crime'? The article says Mr Zarqawi was believed to have been in northern Iraq before the war, in an area, although part of Iraq geographically speaking, known to have been under Kurdish control.

Wouldn't it be more likely that Saddam would let them build their terrorist training camps in parts of Iraq he actually controlled? Yet none have been found.

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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:16 am

What I find interesting is that the letter seems to explicitly state that they wish to achieve their goals by killing muslims. In other words, if Al Qaeda attacks kill muslims, it's not collateral damage or anything like that, it's actually their purpose. If I were a muslim, that would piss me off, and discourage me from cheering them on. Unless I thought it was made-up U.S. propaganda, which is probably how the Al Qaeda sympathisers are trying to say now.

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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:07 am

It is all Bush's fault

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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 5:35 am

What I wonder about is that the AlQaeda leadership, being Wahabite Sunnies always considered Shiites to be some kind of blasphemers. Because of this Al Qaeda isn´t realy welcome in Iran either. Why should the Shiite population of Iraq suddenly them?

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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 6:58 am

Nah, there wasn't a connection between Iraq and al Qaeda. It is just another fake excuse made up by the President. Certain people on this forum have said this so it must be true.

And?

You could invade, for example, Germany; I guarantee you that within a few months of the invasion, some Al Qaeda people will be in Germany trying cause trouble for the infidel occupiers. Terrorists in Germany? Yes. Would it imply anything about pre-war terrorist activity in Germany? No.

Al Qaeda hated the Hussein government, but we needn't let trivial facts get in the way.
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RE: Al Qaida Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:24 am

The tactics of the insurgents has changed several times, at first it was the US Soldiers who were the "main" targets, then it was the Coalition partners like the British, Spanish, Italian, Polish, now it's Iraqis themselves who the insurgents are targeting the most.

There are daily bombings going on, but most of the attacks and lots of loss of life has been suffered and directed towards Iraqi civilians and Police.

They are trying to intimidate the Civilians, after failing to intimidate the US and Coalition members.

Acts of desperation, and a sign of a lack of any kind of real leadership and or gaining any support. The insurgents are stagnant, they are not gaining traction.

However they (insurgents) are using methods and explosive devices that suggests a high degree of training and sophistication, the insurgents obviously were trained in this type of warfare somewhere (most likely Afghanistan prior to 2001).

My opinion is that Al Qaida and other groups right after 9-11 were hoping to draw huge amounts of US Forces to Afghanistan where they hoped the US would send "Hundreds of Thousands" of troops, Al Qaida were training with this in mind to draw them into Afghanistan where they would launch a gorilla war against US troops using the same type of techniques they are now using in Iraq.

The US denied Al Qaida the opportunity to implement their plan because the US's reaction after 9-11 with regards to Afghanistan was brilliantly done, the US sent small amounts of Special Ops troops who backed up Northern Alliance troops who did most of the fighting.

I don't think the US had more than 30,000 troops in Afghanistan , Al Qaida was probably thinking Desert Storm 250,000 with the same tactics.

Iraq has given Al Qaida another chance at attacking the US troops with regards to their plan to draw them into a guerilla war, however it's not being carried out effectively for several reasons.

1.) the Iraqi people are neither supporting nor subverting to the foreign Al Qaida operatives as the Afghan people had previously.

2.) The US is taking casualties unseen since the Vietnam war, however as divisive as the Iraq war is the majority of Americans want to see the war finished to a favorable conclusion for the US no matter what the price.

The next few months are crucial, the major fears of the Insurgents is the growing strength of the Iraqi Police and counter Insurgent teams working with the US. The Iraqis want the US to leave, but they want them to help them take control first. The Iraqis don't want to subvert to foreign Extremists, they want self rule.

And that means working with the US, to the frustration of foreigners like Al Qaida.
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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:46 pm

Who released this memo exactly? Ahh! Now THAT is a redible source!

America has been trying to play the "Divide and Rule" game in Iraq, by pitting the Sunnis against the Shia's. Now the promotion of Shias has backfired as the Shia leader Sistani has issued a call to "Quit Iraq".

Things can only get more interesting from here on. And an America on the defensive whips out the al-Qaeda bogey!

I am not surprised that some Americans like B757300 fall for this though!

BTW, Alpha1, where were you the past fortnight or so! ANET non-av was so boring without someone to pick on!

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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 12:57 pm

Roy, you haven't posted squat while I was gone, so you were simply bored with yourself, I guess.  Smile
 
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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:25 pm

Roy, How exactly are they trying to pit the Sunnis against the Shiites? As I recall, they have always hated each other, and the US is trying to keep them united. Are you farting on your keyboard again?
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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:27 pm

Seems 180 the oposite of what is happening.

Osama's boys are trying to get a civil war started between the Sunnis and the Shites to make life hell for the coalition forces there.

But thankfully it doesn't seem to be taking.
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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:51 pm



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RE: Al Qaeda Fails To Turn Iraqis Against U.S.

Sun Feb 15, 2004 2:07 am

Osama's boys are trying to get a civil war started between the Sunnis and the Shites to make life hell for the coalition forces there.

But thankfully it doesn't seem to be taking.


It only points up another falsehood being pushed by the Administration for so long, L-188: that being that Al Qaeda has been the driving force behind the continuing bloodshed. And that's obviously not true, is it? So, if this is just Iraqi's trying to fight an occupation, then why do you and Bush and others keep labeling it as terrorism? This is a war, in this case-most of the attacks are on U.S. forces.

If Al Qaeda does get a foothold in Iraq, we have no one to blame but ourselves. This war, more and more, is looking like one huge mistake, and history is going to judge it as such.

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