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Future Of European Countries..

Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:27 am

With the economies of Europe and the rest of the world on the way back up, I was wondering.. will there be a major economic country in the EU or will it be a joint EU economy in say 20 years time..?

I would guess that the main EU economic countries would be:

  • UK

  • Germany

  • France


  • ...with other countries such as Italy, Holland, Spain and Sweden being contributors also!

    Would there be more co-operation with Africa, N.America, Middle East, Asia?

    Would there be a main economic city..?

    Would there be a common language?

    Overall I guess it would be a joint EU economy with say the main economic cities being London, Paris, Frankfurt, Madrid, Milan and Amsterdam. With more co-operation with N.America, Asia and the Middle East. The common languages being English, German and French!

    What's your opinion?

    Regards..

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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:36 am

    In my opinion English would be the common language (at least in bussines and other international relations). The EU will be centralised (more or less) on countries you have mentioned. Probably another expantion will include Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia to the union. Inclutions Macedonia, Turkey, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Serbia/Montenegro are less likely, but still possible (in 20 years). I doubt there would be a single central economic city - I think Frankfurt, London, also Paris, Milan, Amsterdam would all be important. Cooperation with North America, in my opinion, would depend on governments there. Middle East cooperation is possible, especially taking into account great number of immigrants from there.
     
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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Fri Feb 13, 2004 4:59 am

    I don't like the way "smaller" EU countries (by population) are often neglected by the leaders of "larger" countries such as my own. That may very well be a serious threat to further European integration; after all, every EU member is a nation that willingly gave up some of its sovereignty. If the "big ones" proceed to effectively rule over the "small ones", those will most likely get closer to leaving the Union. This would be one of the worst scenarios, but I can definitely see it happen - considering the way some politicians and officials have been acting lately...  Insane
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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Fri Feb 13, 2004 6:43 am

    In 20 years the EU will either have broken up or the smaller countries will have become provinces in name as well as in fact of France and Germany.
    All policy will be decided in Paris and Berlin only, with the national governments having no say whatsoever over anything not directly related to their own territory and even there be greatly curtailed by edicts from above.

    I expect the UK to leave the EU at some point and maybe join NAFTA instead.
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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:19 am

    EGFFbmi: With the economies of Europe and the rest of the world on the way back up, I was wondering.. will there be a major economic country in the EU or will it be a joint EU economy in say 20 years time..?

    There have always been european centers for certain branches (like finance in London). This will continue to be the case, but more in the sense that the european center of finance might happen to be in London, with specialists from all european countries working there under - as far as community-wide transactions are concerned - european law; That would not mean, however, that the european finance system would be under control of the british government.


    EGFFbmi: I would guess that the main EU economic countries would be:

    Even before the EU, there were always dominating economies (which changed over time). With the EU, the dominance of the few is transforming into a situation with a more spread out (and shared) distribution of influence. Poland, for instance, never before had a say in german trade policies; Now it will participate in determining the community policies and the german ones with them.


    EGFFbmi: Would there be more co-operation with Africa, N.America, Middle East, Asia?

    Very probably. It´s a global trend anyway.


    EGFFbmi: Would there be a main economic city..?

    No. But certain aspects of economy will probably concentrate in certain cities.


    EGFFbmi: Would there be a common language?

    No, but there will be "interaction languages" - just like there are today. English will have the largest area coverage, german and french will continue to be used between several nations and the eastern countries will probably use other shared languages when dealing among themselves.

    The individual languages will remain in use domestically, however, even if it´s likely that there will be increased influences across the borders.


    One very important factor that´s often overlooked is that "influence" will not remain concentrated on the nation states; The European Parliament is beginning to assert its influence in european matters, and that´s a Good Thing. So we will see the question of "national" influence lose importance in some areas; Instead, we´ll see pan-european discussions and manoeuvering between and among the factions in the European Parliament and the associated parties (european conservatives, social democrats, greens, chauvinists (I´ve always found it ironic that the respective national chauvinist splinter groups are often cooperating in the european parliament...  Wink/being sarcastic)).

    Things are changing, and so does the whole political coordinate system...
     
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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:33 am

    If I have my way, the whole of Europe will be

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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:36 am

    The EU could of course also introduce a totally new language like Esperanto. It would be very easy to learn because of its simple structure: three tenses, no double letters etc.

    Just my two Euro cents,

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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Sat Feb 14, 2004 1:47 am

    Klaus, what on earth makes you think that the British (let alone European) finance system has ever been under the control of the British government?  Big grin Big grin
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    Banco

    Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:36 am

    Banco: Klaus, what on earth makes you think that the British (let alone European) finance system has ever been under the control of the British government?

    a) I was only speaking hypothetically.  Wink/being sarcastic

    b) Well, if that is so, then several arguments against the Euro in Britain are null and void, aren´t they?  Big thumbs up
     
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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Sat Feb 14, 2004 3:44 am

    No, they aren't.

    But let's not get into that right now...  Big grin
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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Sat Feb 14, 2004 7:04 am

    The EU could of course also introduce a totally new language like Esperanto. It would be very easy to learn because of its simple structure: three tenses, no double letters etc.

    How many people would vote for that? 0.001%?  Smile
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    RE: Future Of European Countries..

    Sat Feb 14, 2004 8:03 am

    Aloges

    Absolutely right. The way that smaller states such as Liechtenstein, Andorra and Monaco have been effectively ruled out of full EU integration leads to a great deal of contempt from those states toward larger ones such as France and Germany. Although many smaller European states have financial and immigration agreements with the EU - the needs of these tiny countries are more often than not neglected by the EU hierarchy. This should change - as financial and cultural opportunities valuable to economic growth can be found in small European states - the EU is missing out on a great opportunity.

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