HANOI (Reuters) - Twenty-nine years after the end of the Vietnam war, communist military mastermind General Vo Nguyen Giap remains grateful to the Americans who opposed it.
The Vietnam War, known in Vietnam as the American War, has become a hot issue in the U.S. presidential race with Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) drawing attention to his service and President Bush (news - web sites)'s Republicans disparaging Kerry's later anti-war stand.
"I would like to thank them," the 93-year-old veteran said on Friday of those Americans who opposed the war.
Giap was speaking during a two-hour interview with foreign and domestic media on the 29th anniversary of the fall of Saigon, capital of the then U.S.-backed South Vietnam, that marked the end of the war.
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I guess we now know the name of one of the "foreign leaders" that Kerry said wanted him to be President.
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General Giap Grateful To U.S. Anti-War Protestors
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I guess we now know the name of one of the "foreign leaders" that Kerry said wanted him to be President.
.... A man accused by some of war crimes......
.... A man accused by some of war crimes......
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RE: General Giap Grateful To U.S. Anti-War Protestors
Dammit B757300 you stole my line.
This isn't the first time that Giap has come out positively in support of the war protesters of the 1960's.
He also did in his autobiography, in fact reports are he singled out the VVAW by name. And by now we all know who founded that operation
This isn't the first time that Giap has come out positively in support of the war protesters of the 1960's.
He also did in his autobiography, in fact reports are he singled out the VVAW by name. And by now we all know who founded that operation
OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
RE: General Giap Grateful To U.S. Anti-War Protestors
Well, I'm sorry to protest a war because it's such an awesome thing. I know now that there's nothing better than war, and we should all jump on the *war* bandwagon. Let's go invade the entire world! 
I'd like to elect a president that has a Higher IQ than a retarted ant.
RE: General Giap Grateful To U.S. Anti-War Protestors
Like the anti-war protestors care if Giap supports them, they're probably proud of it if nothing else. These are the same people who carried signs extolling the virtues of Yassir Arafat and other great world leaders like good ol' Bobby Mugabe. After all, to them, Giap was the great man who lead the peasants to rise up against the ruling class.
America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
RE: General Giap Grateful To U.S. Anti-War Protestors
Ah, those who crave war are out in force today, reliving an ancient past.
What a bunch of morons. Congrats, fellas, for looking like total aces in the hole.
What a bunch of morons. Congrats, fellas, for looking like total aces in the hole.
RE: General Giap Grateful To U.S. Anti-War Protestors
Like the anti-war protestors care if Giap supports them, they're probably proud of it if nothing else. These are the same people who carried signs extolling the virtues of Yassir Arafat and other great world leaders like good ol' Bobby Mugabe. After all, to them, Giap was the great man who lead the peasants to rise up against the ruling class.
And what's wrong with Robert Mugabe?
And what's wrong with Robert Mugabe?
Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
RE: General Giap Grateful To U.S. Anti-War Protestors
And what's wrong with Robert Mugabe?
Hmmm... maybe the fact that he drove white farmers off their farms simply because of the color of their skin? How about the rapes, tortures, and murders he allows again on the basis of skin color?
While the White Man has made it to the moon and back, we in Africa are still trying to make it to the village....
You wonder why you're still trying to make it to the village with oversights like that.
Hmmm... maybe the fact that he drove white farmers off their farms simply because of the color of their skin? How about the rapes, tortures, and murders he allows again on the basis of skin color?
While the White Man has made it to the moon and back, we in Africa are still trying to make it to the village....
You wonder why you're still trying to make it to the village with oversights like that.
America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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Hmmm... maybe the fact that he drove white farmers off their farms simply because of the color of their skin? How about the rapes, tortures, and murders he allows again on the basis of skin color?
How come you aren't/weren't outraged by the atrocities committed by Cecil B. Rhodes? Come to think of it, do you even know who he was?
You wonder why you're still trying to make it to the village with oversights like that.
That signature of mine is a quote by Julius Nyerere (do you know who he was?) It represents the Africans loss of direction over the years, but I don't expect you to know that........nah, you're just another right leaning surburbanite who knows what's best for the rest of the world.
How come you aren't/weren't outraged by the atrocities committed by Cecil B. Rhodes? Come to think of it, do you even know who he was?
You wonder why you're still trying to make it to the village with oversights like that.
That signature of mine is a quote by Julius Nyerere (do you know who he was?) It represents the Africans loss of direction over the years, but I don't expect you to know that........nah, you're just another right leaning surburbanite who knows what's best for the rest of the world.
Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
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RE: General Giap Grateful To U.S. Anti-War Protestors
Of course General Giap is grateful to the protesters. I mean, he eventually stopped getting shot at at least in part because of them, right? Anyone who says that this makes Kerry look bad is missing the point - the protesters were NOT on Giaps' side, they just didn't want to bomb him anymore. And Giap didn't want to be bombed. Maybe it's true that many believed him to be leading the 'peasat revolution', it wouldn't suprise me in the least; I know people like that. However, undoubtedly the vast majority just wanted Americans to stop killing and getting killed in Vietnam, which was in my humble opinion a good idea. Because like the poster above said, I'm so sorry to protest war because war is such an awesome gesture of kindness, right?
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How come you aren't/weren't outraged by the atrocities committed by Cecil B. Rhodes? Come to think of it, do you even know who he was?
Of course what Cecil Rhodes did to the people of Africa was terrible, I never said it wasn't. He was a terrible leader who committed thousands of atrocities on African people. However, its ridiculous to say "Well, since Cecil Rhodes did this, its okay for Mugabe to do that." Sorry, but human rights atrocities should never be accepted whether the person who is committing them is white or black. I know you probably love Mugabe for making the white man suffer, but that same hate, violence, and indifference has kept Africa in a continual cycle of crap for the past fifty years.
It represents the Africans loss of direction over the years, but I don't expect you to know that........nah, you're just another right leaning surburbanite who knows what's best for the rest of the world.
Loss of direction? Why don't you refer to your previous post lauding Robert Mugabe for his human rights violations. Now that is what I call a loss of direction. Right-leaning suburbanite? I think anyone with half a brain could see whats wrong with Africa. You don't need a Ph.D to figure out that attitudes like yours are one of the problems plaguing Africa.
Of course what Cecil Rhodes did to the people of Africa was terrible, I never said it wasn't. He was a terrible leader who committed thousands of atrocities on African people. However, its ridiculous to say "Well, since Cecil Rhodes did this, its okay for Mugabe to do that." Sorry, but human rights atrocities should never be accepted whether the person who is committing them is white or black. I know you probably love Mugabe for making the white man suffer, but that same hate, violence, and indifference has kept Africa in a continual cycle of crap for the past fifty years.
It represents the Africans loss of direction over the years, but I don't expect you to know that........nah, you're just another right leaning surburbanite who knows what's best for the rest of the world.
Loss of direction? Why don't you refer to your previous post lauding Robert Mugabe for his human rights violations. Now that is what I call a loss of direction. Right-leaning suburbanite? I think anyone with half a brain could see whats wrong with Africa. You don't need a Ph.D to figure out that attitudes like yours are one of the problems plaguing Africa.
America's chickens are coming home to rooooost!
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And Giap didn't want to be bombed.
Of course not, it took away from time he considered better spent shooting people because they didn't want to be Communist. The hundreds of thousands of executions of RVN civilians after the fall of Saigon attest to that.
Of course not, it took away from time he considered better spent shooting people because they didn't want to be Communist. The hundreds of thousands of executions of RVN civilians after the fall of Saigon attest to that.
"Talk to me, Goose..."
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Of course what Cecil Rhodes did to the people of Africa was terrible, I never said it wasn't. He was a terrible leader who committed thousands of atrocities on African people. However, its ridiculous to say "Well, since Cecil Rhodes did this, its okay for Mugabe to do that." Sorry, but human rights atrocities should never be accepted whether the person who is committing them is white or black. I know you probably love Mugabe for making the white man suffer, but that same hate, violence, and indifference has kept Africa in a continual cycle of crap for the past fifty years.
I really can't remember me saying that Mugabe should be given the Noble peace prize anywhere! Like it or not, I am indifferent to what Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe. He is doing the right thing (albeit in the wrong way for the wrong reasons). I have yet to see any of the former colonial powers compensate their old colonies for all the crap their "subjects" suffered during their reign. Now an individual tries to do away with the ILLEGAL form of land distribution that plagues his land, and the rest of the world calls him a terrorist and a barbarian!
Loss of direction? Why don't you refer to your previous post lauding Robert Mugabe for his human rights violations. Now that is what I call a loss of direction. Right-leaning suburbanite? I think anyone with half a brain could see whats wrong with Africa. You don't need a Ph.D to figure out that attitudes like yours are one of the problems plaguing Africa.
Maybe I can reword the statement in words that you can easily understand:
"The White man shot the African in the left foot, the African then decided to shot himself in the right foot and is now confused as to why he cannot get anything done"
I really can't remember me saying that Mugabe should be given the Noble peace prize anywhere! Like it or not, I am indifferent to what Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe. He is doing the right thing (albeit in the wrong way for the wrong reasons). I have yet to see any of the former colonial powers compensate their old colonies for all the crap their "subjects" suffered during their reign. Now an individual tries to do away with the ILLEGAL form of land distribution that plagues his land, and the rest of the world calls him a terrorist and a barbarian!
Loss of direction? Why don't you refer to your previous post lauding Robert Mugabe for his human rights violations. Now that is what I call a loss of direction. Right-leaning suburbanite? I think anyone with half a brain could see whats wrong with Africa. You don't need a Ph.D to figure out that attitudes like yours are one of the problems plaguing Africa.
Maybe I can reword the statement in words that you can easily understand:
"The White man shot the African in the left foot, the African then decided to shot himself in the right foot and is now confused as to why he cannot get anything done"
Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
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RE: General Giap Grateful To U.S. Anti-War Protestors
Jcs17 wrote:
These are the same people who carried signs extolling the virtues of Yassir Arafat and other great world leaders like good ol' Bobby Mugabe
I think a lot of the anti-war protesters during the Vietnam era were just opposed to a war where the U.S. government and military were less than forthcoming about the campaign and in some cases were downright deceptive (Gen. William Westmoreland's "body count" thesis comes to mind).
Certainly, there's nothing wrong in calling out the failures of people like Arafat and Mugabe. But at the same time, we mustn't forget about White House darlings of years past like Gen. Augusto Pinochet, Mobutu Sese Seko, Ferdinand Marcos and P.W. Botha.
These individuals had nothing to do with the freedom and democracy that some like to associate with U.S. foreign policy.
These are the same people who carried signs extolling the virtues of Yassir Arafat and other great world leaders like good ol' Bobby Mugabe
I think a lot of the anti-war protesters during the Vietnam era were just opposed to a war where the U.S. government and military were less than forthcoming about the campaign and in some cases were downright deceptive (Gen. William Westmoreland's "body count" thesis comes to mind).
Certainly, there's nothing wrong in calling out the failures of people like Arafat and Mugabe. But at the same time, we mustn't forget about White House darlings of years past like Gen. Augusto Pinochet, Mobutu Sese Seko, Ferdinand Marcos and P.W. Botha.
These individuals had nothing to do with the freedom and democracy that some like to associate with U.S. foreign policy.
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WOW, Does 757-300 think the Vietnam war was a good thing ??? I'm thankful for the anti-war people too. I just wish there was more of them now. Someday maybe someone from America will formally apologize to Vietnam for killing 500,000 innocent people for no reason. I really am ashamed that we are doing it all over again in Iraq. Shame............
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
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I really can't remember me saying that Mugabe should be given the Noble peace prize anywhere! Like it or not, I am indifferent to what Mugabe is doing in Zimbabwe. He is doing the right thing (albeit in the wrong way for the wrong reasons). I have yet to see any of the former colonial powers compensate their old colonies for all the crap their "subjects" suffered during their reign. Now an individual tries to do away with the ILLEGAL form of land distribution that plagues his land, and the rest of the world calls him a terrorist and a barbarian!
Well, there's other things Mugabe has done that haven't endeared him to the international community.....
Zimbabwe's torture training camps
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3493958.stm
Well, there's other things Mugabe has done that haven't endeared him to the international community.....
Zimbabwe's torture training camps
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3493958.stm
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