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L.1011
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My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 8:46 am

I have this (possibly ex-) friend. Let's call him Don (not his real name) Don is a racist, sexist, Communist, and hates America. He hates black people, thinks women are only for sex, and again, is a Communist America-hater. I'm becoming less and close friends with him, since he has acquired these views, and have been trying to stop them. I believe in equal rights for all, am a staunch Capitalist, and love this country more than anything. Should I try to change the views or just drop him as a friend? And if changing the views, what tactics should I use? Thanks in advance.
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 8:48 am

Nah, keep 'im around... it'll expand your horizons. Why surround yourself with only like-thinkers?
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StarAC17
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 8:55 am

I agree with ConcordeBoy and he will grow out of most of his views eventually. Hell at 14 you are expected to be liberal. If he is racist then some black guy will probably kick his ass and if he thinks that women are just for sex some chick will kick his ass.

BTW you can only change someone if they're willing to be changes. Do you think anyone could make you a democrat?
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L.1011
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 9:04 am

Ah, you remember me StarAC.  Big grin
 
emiratesa345
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 9:08 am

"I believe in equal rights for all"

Oh good! Then I guess you believe your friend is entitled to his own opinions?

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North County
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 9:16 am

Communists are fun!

Enjoy his comrade views while you can, because all good young socialists/communists grow up some day and turn into good old capitalists.

It usually happens the day they get their first paycheck and read the federal and state tax deduction section......

As for the racist part, I don't know that one is a little harder to deal with....

[Edited 2004-05-13 02:17:25]
 
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 4:27 pm

If we were all to abandon people in our lives because we didn't agree with them we'd all be pretty f*cking lonely. I'd have to disown myself from numerous family members if that were the case. Learn to deal with it and find ways to enjoy the differences.
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fritzi
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 4:33 pm

thinks women are only for sex

Add cooking to that and then I will agree with him  Big grin Big grin
 
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 4:42 pm

Are you kidding, you bloody anti-feminist Super-Macho???????



What about cleaning...?


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ben
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 8:09 pm

Don is a racist, sexist, Communist, and hates America.

...and again, is a Communist America-hater.

I believe in equal rights for all, am a staunch Capitalist, and love this country more than anything.


I think it is important to see these comments in context. Just as one of many examples, recently you said "Moore is a liar and will do anything he can to ruin those who aren't followers of Marx & Lenin". That's fine if you don't agree with someone's beliefs, but to put that sort of 'label' on someone goes a bit too far. Using cheap labels and rhetoric shows the weakness of your argument and your own immaturity.

Are you calling him an 'America Hater' because of his political views? Because he dislikes the current government? Or does he actually say "I hate America"? We need some clarification on this point.

People with differing political views are healthy for every society. Unfortunately your society is so polarised as a result of so many years of cold-war propaganda that any slightly different view is immediately branded communist. That isn't healthy.

To have to tell us three times in such a short post about your views explains more about your own hangups than his.

He hates black people, thinks women are only for sex,

Most people grow out of the 'women are only for sex' thing but racism is a different story. It's sad, but is it a reason to lose him as a friend? Are you black? non-european ancestry?

Should I try to change the views or just drop him as a friend? And if changing the views, what tactics should I use?

Why do you want to change his views? Can't you accept people as they are?

I can't see you being much of a friend yourself, if you need to use 'tactics' on him. Why not just talk to him, explain your differences, and see what he says?

Whatever you choose to do, do it soon, while you still know everything.
 
ushermittwoch
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 8:17 pm

That guy must be the only racist Communist in the world. Feel lucky to know him.
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 8:32 pm

Don is a racist, sexist, Communist, and hates America. He hates black people, thinks women are only for sex, and again, is a Communist America-hater

Sounds like your typical Berkley College grad.
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ushermittwoch
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 8:36 pm

I wonder if he also believes that women are for all men to share, in a true Communist fashion.
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Thu May 13, 2004 8:45 pm

Hey Usher, if that's what communists think, where do I sign up? Big grin
 
captaingomes
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 1:14 am

LOL, interesting comments in this thread so far. Very entertaining! I guess if you're only 14, and assuming he is too, that's a weird age, only because at that age, kids are still very much influenced by their parents, but are also starting to become influenced by other, outside sources. So it's a question of either the type of upbringing this guy has, or the paths he is leading now that he is getting older and more independent. It could be just a phase, or it could be him developing into some weird creep.

Regardless, as was said above, you'd have to put these things into context. How serious is this communism, hatred of America, racism, etc? Does he say the odd joke against blacks? Or will he actually go to a black guy and call him something to his face? The degree to his actions or sentiments are what's important in whether you should still be friends with him or not.

Anyways, interesting stuff, keep us updated!  Big grin
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diamond
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 2:01 am

L.1011 - I can't excuse the racism or sexism that you mentioned in your friend. But is your lable of "communist" really just saying that he's on the opposite side of you, politically?

You know, conservatives are always calling liberals communist. Is that the case here?

Blank.
 
LHMark
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 4:01 am

Hey, any hot chicks on this board, I want to use them for sex.

Signed, Don.
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CaptOveur
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 4:52 am

Stop talking about me

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L.1011
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 4:58 am

Ben,

Are you calling him an 'America Hater' because of his political views? Because he dislikes the current government? Or does he actually say "I hate America"? We need some clarification on this point.

Nope he actually says he hates the country.

It's sad, but is it a reason to lose him as a friend?

I really like the kid, and I don't want to see bad things happen to him because of these views. He isn't very good at keeping his mouth shut.

Are you black? non-european ancestry?

Nope, German decent with a hint of Czech.

Why do you want to change his views? Can't you accept people as they are?

I can't see you being much of a friend yourself, if you need to use 'tactics' on him. Why not just talk to him, explain your differences, and see what he says?


Like I said, he's rather blunt, and I'm afraid he'll express these views and either get beat up or lose a job or whatever else.

Gomes,

So it's a question of either the type of upbringing this guy has

His parents are Democrats.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

How serious is this communism, hatred of America, racism, etc?

He yells it out in every class, especially Social Studies.

Does he say the odd joke against blacks?

Yeah, if the odd joke is every 4 sentences or so.

Or will he actually go to a black guy and call him something to his face?

Yes he will. This is a rather white town, only 5 black kids out of a 217-student class, and 3 of those are triplets, but one of the non-triplet ones is a very good friend of mine, and he gets dissed all the time. (the racist's favorite is the opening scene of Roots:The Gift with the whipping and the "was your name boy" (we saw it in Social Studies class))

Diamond,

But is your lable of "communist" really just saying that he's on the opposite side of you, politically?

He says he is a communist and also enjoys the "Hail Hitler" arm movement and march. You be the judge. He claims he's a Republican, but he isn't.
 
LY744
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 5:05 am

He's probably starting a thread just like this one about L.1011 on some other board. I was going to ask you how exactly you know that this guy is the idiot in the relationship, but that last post took care of that. Sounds like he's just that, an idiot. Leave him alone and he'll grow out of it. Probably some sort of weird attention craving phase or something.


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jutes85
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 5:24 am

If he does not grow out of it, send him into the Military, that should straighten the little bugger out.
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L.1011
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 5:41 am

Jutes, I'd like to ask you again, you used to be a commie! What happened?!
 
jutes85
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 5:44 am

The USSR collapsed, thats what happened. Communism wouldn't work in a Capitalist world anyways, so whats the point of trying.

I think that your friend has some serious problems........good luck with that. Big grin
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cannibalz3
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 5:53 am

If you like the guy himself, then keep him as a friend. At 14 you can expect to be surrounded by radicals more and more, just because they develop their ideas about things and tend to radicalism before the ideas are honed by experience. This trend will keep developing through college. I recommend you listen to your friend and see if he has any legitimate ideas, because if you have an open mind you can learn a lot. Your group of friends should be diverse; through their ideas you can learn a lot about yourself.
On the other hand, if he's just doing this to be a dumbass or for shock value or whatever, or if you dislike his company, then dump him.
 
fritzi
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 6:05 am

I have always been and will always be lame.

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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Fri May 14, 2004 11:32 am

I have always been and will always be lame.

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CaptOveur
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Sat May 15, 2004 3:44 am

Who is this startvalve person you keep mentioning?
Things were better when it was two guys in a dorm room.
 
L.1011
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Sat May 15, 2004 3:47 am

He was a member that got banned for taunting moderator Jean Leloup.
 
ushermittwoch
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Sat May 15, 2004 3:51 am

Hey L, do you believe a black guy that tells you he's white?
That's about as believeable as your friend saying he's a Commie.
He's just a punk, which is a lot like I used(?) to be.
People usually kinda grow out of it in most cases.
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L.1011
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RE: My Idiot (and Possibly Former) Friend

Sat May 15, 2004 7:26 am

I hope he does, because he used to be a cool kid.

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