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Bush Caught Wearing Medal Not Deserved
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/08/29/wbush129.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/08/29/ixworld.html
>>"After weeks of denigration of the Democratic challenger's Vietnam war record, Mr Kerry's backers have responded with allegations against the President - including the claim that he was once photographed in uniform wearing a medal ribbon he had not earned"
"The ribbon is an Air Force Outstanding Unit Award - which was not awarded to the 111th Fighter Intercept Squadron in which Mr Bush served until 1975, five years after the photograph was taken, according to the group US War Report"
Why dont we read this stuff in our own media......Pretty damming going in to the convention.....I hope it makes it to print on this side of the Atlantic by weeks end
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What's that smell.
Desperate attempt to deflect attention from Kerry's lies alert!!!
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The reason this hasn't made it into the media here is because they probably figured out it isn't true. Some morons over on Democratunderground.com have been whoring this story for days now to the media and only one British rag has run with it.
The ribbon is a unit award, not an individual one. Anyone in the unit can wear the ribbon, even if they were not in the unit at the time it was awarded. The unit Bush was in was awarded the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award in 1966. Therefore Bush and every other member had the right to wear it as long as he was in that unit.
"The emblem is worn by all members of a cited organization and is considered an individual decoration for persons in connection with the cited acts and may be worn whether or not they continue as members of the organization. Other personnel may wear this decoration while serving with an organization to indicate the unit has been awarded the Presidential Unit Citation."
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Now, will the mods delete this thread like they did a few minutes ago to a thread about Kerry and his medals?
The ribbon is a unit award, not an individual one. Anyone in the unit can wear the ribbon, even if they were not in the unit at the time it was awarded. The unit Bush was in was awarded the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award in 1966. Therefore Bush and every other member had the right to wear it as long as he was in that unit.
"The emblem is worn by all members of a cited organization and is considered an individual decoration for persons in connection with the cited acts and may be worn whether or not they continue as members of the organization. Other personnel may wear this decoration while serving with an organization to indicate the unit has been awarded the Presidential Unit Citation."
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Now, will the mods delete this thread like they did a few minutes ago to a thread about Kerry and his medals?
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>Now, will the mods delete this thread like they did a few minutes ago to a thread about Kerry and his medals?<
Kerrys Medals stories are old news.
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Correct B757300.
The Apache unit I was in had 3 from Nam and even when I was in there 25 years after the fact, it was still part of the requred uniform
The Apache unit I was in had 3 from Nam and even when I was in there 25 years after the fact, it was still part of the requred uniform
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WOOF WOOF WOOF.
The RWAK's pounce in force.
Hey guys-want to make the author stop his incessant, and thrice-daily (at least) threads about Mr. Bush?
Easy.
IGNORE HIM!!!
Although that's no fun, is it?
The RWAK's pounce in force.
Hey guys-want to make the author stop his incessant, and thrice-daily (at least) threads about Mr. Bush?
Easy.
IGNORE HIM!!!
Although that's no fun, is it?
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Your right, where did the other one go?
I am going to be very ticked off if this one is allowed to stay while the other one is deleted.
I am going to be very ticked off if this one is allowed to stay while the other one is deleted.
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So you'll be ticked off, L-188. Boo hoo. Want a box of kleenex?
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Nope.
Thanks for the offer though
Still a little hypocritical that a thread about Kerry's medals gets deleted and one about Bush's stays isn't it.
And no, I am not suggesting deleteing this one, Both should have stayed.
Thanks for the offer though
Still a little hypocritical that a thread about Kerry's medals gets deleted and one about Bush's stays isn't it.
And no, I am not suggesting deleteing this one, Both should have stayed.
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The other thread got deleted because I posted the entire story rather than just quoting it. I just reposted.
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Ok, I can deal with that.........anger subsiding.....picturing Dick Cheney picking daisies in a field...mellowing....
Just kidding about the dasies and the field and Cheney.
Just kidding about the dasies and the field and Cheney.
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>Still a little hypocritical that a thread about Kerry's medals gets deleted and one about Bush's stays isn't it.<
Im Fed-Exing you box of Kleenex right now L-188.
Just perhaps the MODS have got a life more than waiting for somone to post somthing that you dont approve of.......As I said.....Kerrys Medals are old and dead news.....
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Now, will the mods delete this thread like they did a few minutes ago to a thread about Kerry and his medals?
Did that thread, by chance, concern the Combat V that appears on Kerry's Silver Star medal (see page 2 of his Form DD214), despite the fact (link) that the Combat V is never awarded in concert with a Silver Star? I heard about that on the radio this evening and wondered how long it would take to show up here....
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[Edited 2004-08-29 08:04:58]
Did that thread, by chance, concern the Combat V that appears on Kerry's Silver Star medal (see page 2 of his Form DD214), despite the fact (link) that the Combat V is never awarded in concert with a Silver Star? I heard about that on the radio this evening and wondered how long it would take to show up here....
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Bingo
And correct, there is no "V" for Valor that is issued with the silver star in any branch of service. Yet Kerry has one
And correct, there is no "V" for Valor that is issued with the silver star in any branch of service. Yet Kerry has one
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(Both images provided by the Bush Administration)
Not a sign of an Air Force Outstanding Unit (AFOUA) Award.
(Source: http://www.awolbush.com/awards.asp)
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L-188, I have to admit that Dick Cheney strolling through a field and picking daisies may be the funniest image I will have in my head today.
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Are you sure he wouldn´t pick them with a MOAB (commonly known as a "Daisy cutter)? 
Jan
Jan
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maybe Bush and Kerry should focus on the elections and let the best man win....
PH-BFA
PH-BFA
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This is getting so frigging boring now. 30 threads about Bush or Kerry in one page? The sooner the frigging election is over the better 
I'll go for a Bush win though
I'll go for a Bush win though
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Aren't there any medals awarded for cheer leading? How can we expect Dubya to be responsible for all his costumes he wears? It's obvious the man isn't intelligent enough to dress himself. So I don't think we should continue to examine this particular "wardrobe malfunction"....
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A dispatcher who worked for me at one time had done one enlistment in the USAF, four years service as an air traffic controller in Europe. He was entitled to wear FOURTEEN ribbons at the end of that time. I could not even name them all. That is more than twice the number I am entitled after 1276 hours of combat flying time.
The US Air Force shovels ribbons at its members. That Outstanding Unit award is worn by nearly all Air Force personnel with more than six months' service and is decalled onto nearly every airplane in the Air Force Inventory. It has become meaningless and I'd have been astonished to see a portrait of an Air Force officer and pilot without it. It says nothing about the person wearing it. It relates only to the unit to which they are assigned.
In the Army, officers do not wear their marksmanship medals, even though they are required to qualify, and thereby earn them. Longevity medals are also unique to the Air Force. Even serving in peacetime, Air Force people get heaped in medals.
On the other hand, who is Lieutenant Junior Grade T. Vanstrydonck?
Well that is the personnel officer who signed off on Kerry's DD-214 and therefore the person responsible for the mistake about the "V" device on the Silver Star. It was, no doubt, typed up by some anonymous yeoman and I doubt very much that the mistake originated in any way with John Kerry. Mine was typed up by a WAC Sp4 and she had my Awards & Decorations records and did not have to ask me a thing.
Now his three purple hearts are still open for debate.
The US Air Force shovels ribbons at its members. That Outstanding Unit award is worn by nearly all Air Force personnel with more than six months' service and is decalled onto nearly every airplane in the Air Force Inventory. It has become meaningless and I'd have been astonished to see a portrait of an Air Force officer and pilot without it. It says nothing about the person wearing it. It relates only to the unit to which they are assigned.
In the Army, officers do not wear their marksmanship medals, even though they are required to qualify, and thereby earn them. Longevity medals are also unique to the Air Force. Even serving in peacetime, Air Force people get heaped in medals.
On the other hand, who is Lieutenant Junior Grade T. Vanstrydonck?
Well that is the personnel officer who signed off on Kerry's DD-214 and therefore the person responsible for the mistake about the "V" device on the Silver Star. It was, no doubt, typed up by some anonymous yeoman and I doubt very much that the mistake originated in any way with John Kerry. Mine was typed up by a WAC Sp4 and she had my Awards & Decorations records and did not have to ask me a thing.
Now his three purple hearts are still open for debate.
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Oh my God!? Really? He might have worn a unit award 30 years ago in error? The horror... LOL...
Those things are like employee of the month certificates... I'm sure even you airline people covet them.. LOL...
Those things are like employee of the month certificates... I'm sure even you airline people covet them.. LOL...
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