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Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:38 am

When in doubt, just give the honor to the President

http://cnn.aimtoday.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20041219%2F0825010598.htm&sc=1151&PhotoID=20041219WAS702

In a limited field of choices this year, I still applaud Time for picking the right person. I'm sure we'll hear opinions to the contrary here, though.
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 12:57 am

Time awards it to people who have been newsworthy or indeed have driven the news of the last twelve months, and on that basis alone Dubya has been the single most visible figure.

It is not an award for accomplishment. Previous recipients have included Stalin and Ayatollah Khomeini for that reason.
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:07 am

I agree that Bush is the man of the year using the TIME magazine criteria of newsworthiness. However, in my opinion, Bush's noteriety can be likened to former TIME persons of the year like Hitler, Stalin, or Khomeini.

Its not always an honour to be the TIME person of the year, and this choice certainly proves that.
 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:35 am

While I agree, per TIME's criteria, with their choice of Bush, if this wasn't an election year, there were a number of possible choices that were suggested and considered. Two key unspoken criteria for TIME's choice since 1981, is to not choose someone who hurts magazine sales or their access to the President or political leaders. In 1980 they chose the Allatohla Homenini (sp?), the leader of the Islamic government that took over Iran then and behind the taking of Americans hostage for over a year.
What would have been the result of some of the following who were considered for Time Person of The Year 2005 were chosen:
- Michael Moore & Mel Gibson - jointly, for their affects on media, political debate, the religious right issues.
- Christopher Reeve - as to his death and the issues of stem cell research without the current Federal restrictions.
- Insurgency Leaders/terrorists in Iraq - You cannot glorify them, or give them attention that will suggest that the USA recognizes their leadership.
- Some important but obscure scientist/political leader/business leader.
I do have some concerns of the way TIME makes it choice as noted above. I wouldn't take it too seriously.
 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 1:42 am

"Bush's notoriety can be likened to former TIME persons of the year like Hitler, Stalin, or Khomeini."

True that. There's no way you can think of this as award for accomplishment.
 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:10 am



He got the award in 2000, as well.

http://www.time.com/time/poy2000/


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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:21 am

I Feel Ill hearing this...........I think that the Soldier that asked RUMMY the question about digging through garbage dumps looking for armour deserved it more.....he showed RUMMY for what he really is.....A corporate SHMUCK that went into Iraq on the CHEAP.

Anyone thought that can steal two elections in a row I guess deserve it.
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:37 am

Here is the complete list ...

Form your own conclusions.

1927- Charles Lindbergh
1928- Walter Chrysler
1929- Owen Young
1930- Mahatma Gandhi
1931- Pierre Laval
1932- Franklin Delano Roosevelt
1933- Hugh Johnson
1934- Franklin Delano Roosevelt (2nd time)
1935- Haile Selassie
1936- Wallis Simpson
1937- Chiang Kai-Shek and Soong May-ling
1938- Adolf Hitler
1939- Joseph Stalin

1940- Winston Churchill
1941- Franklin Delano Roosevelt (3rd time)
1942- Joseph Stalin (2nd time)

1943- George Marshall
1944- Dwight Eisenhower
1945- Harry Truman
1946- James F. Byrnes
1947- George Marshall (2nd time)
1948- Harry Truman (2nd time)
1949- Winston Churchill (2nd time)
1950- The American Fighting-Man
1951- Mohammed Mossadegh
1952- Queen Elizabeth II
1953- Konrad Adenauer
1954- John Dulles
1955- Harlow Curtice
1956- Hungarian Freedom Fighter
1957- Nikita Khrushchev

1958- Charles De Gaulle
1959- Dwight Eisenhower (2nd time)
1960- U.S. scientists
1961- John F. Kennedy
1962- Pope John XXIII
1963- Martin Luther King Jr.
1964- Lyndon Johnson
1965- William Westmoreland
1966- Twenty-Five and Under
1967- Lyndon Johnson (2nd time)
1968- Frank Borman, Jim Lovell, William Anders
1969- The Middle Americans
1970- Willy Brandt
1971- Richard Nixon
1972- Richard Nixon (2nd time) and Henry Kissinger
1973- John Sirica
1974- King Faisal
1975- American Women
1976- Jimmy Carter
1977- Anwar Sadat
1978- Deng Xiaoping
1979- Ayatollah Khomeini

1980- Ronald Reagan
1981- Lech Walesa
1982- The Computer
1983- Ronald Reagan (2nd time) and Yuri Andropov
1984- Peter Ueberroth
1985- Deng Xiaoping (2nd time)

1986- Corazon Aquino
1987- Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev
1988- Endangered Earth ("Planet of the Year")
1989- Mikhail Sergeyevich Gorbachev (2nd time)
1990- George H. W. Bush
1991- Ted Turner
1992- Bill Clinton
1993- Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk, Yasser Arafat, and Yitzhak Rabin
1994- Pope John Paul II
1995- Newt Gingrich
1996- David Ho
1997- Andy Grove
1998- Bill Clinton (2nd time) and Kenneth Starr
1999- Jeffrey P. Bezos
2000- George W. Bush
2001- Rudolph Giuliani
2002- The whistleblowers: Cynthia Cooper of Worldcom, Sherron Watkins of Enron, and Coleen Rowley of the FBI
2003- The American Soldier
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 2:39 am



The 2004 person of the year....president of the United States or professional pimp?







It's actually pretty funny if you try not to think about the tragic reality of it all.


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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 3:42 am

You naysayers mention all the bad people of the year, but neglect to mention the good company Bush is with:
JFK
MLK
Gulliani
Churchill
Gandhi
Lindberg
Clinton

So you people who are trying to lump brutal dictators with GWB. Take another look. You people make me sick. Get some new material.
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:56 am

There's no way you can think of this as award for accomplishment.

I agree. If the other options were Al-Zarqawi, Gibson, Moore and Ch. Reeve then I guess it would have been an outright posthumous insult to Mr. Reeve to be given this strange "award". Dumbya well deserves this "award".
 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:02 am

That's professional cowboy, 2H4  Big thumbs up

And Randall...you can just shuck it. You knew he'd have it, he was the clear winner in a long struggle for democracy in 00, and to keep it here in 04...deal with it.

Christopher Reeves hardly deserved a nomination....yes he's an actor...but so what if he couldn't ride a horse correctly, and spent the rest of his life sitting there blowing anti-Republican insults out his breathing tube. Since when did Hollywood actors have a right to be huge blowhard political activists?

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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:14 am

DeltaGuy,
and Gibson does? Oh, I forgot he's fanatical Christian, most likely extreme right-winger as well, so he's OK.

btw,
white hat, brown boots, the rest in black... great taste for color combination!!! I mean you can see the "WTF" stare on the faces of the bodyguards
 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:28 am

and Gibson does? Oh, I forgot he's fanatical Christian, most likely extreme right-winger as well, so he's OK

Didn't come out and say that...I think it's awesome that he can make a movie about a very REAL and TRUE event, but I don't see him tooting his political horn like Jack Nickleson, madonna, Rosie Fatdonnell, etc etc....Hollywood believes that if the people watch them, they can help out their candidate by having their fans follow them (at least the ones who can't think for themselves)....I'm not saying it's right on either end. I stopped listening to Bruce Springstein because of the Kerry support deal...damn, miss some of that music too.

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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:44 am

George W Shrubya is ALL HAT...NO CATTLE....John Kerry 09/02/2004
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:52 am

Is it a big deal to be Time's Person of the Year? Just looking at the list of the past winners I can's really say if it's an honorary award or one of shame. For some reason Person of the Year sounds really noble, however certain names on the list prove the contrary. Or does it just reflect how much "airtime" and "impact" on the US that person had, regardless whether good or bad?

The Computer got it in 1982, why not also the Car, jet passenger aircraft or the mobile phone? Grove, Bezos and no Gates? Khomeini and then Walesa two years later, that's just bizarre. 1984... to organize an Olympic Game-was it such a big deal? 1956- Hungarian Freedom Fighter
1957- Nikita Khrushchev I guess Time had a rather sick sense of humor or high dose of cynicism...




 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:10 am


Since when did Hollywood actors have a right to be huge blowhard political activists?


I think the year was 1776.

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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:45 pm

You naysayers mention all the bad people of the year, but neglect to mention the good company Bush is with:
JFK
MLK
Gulliani
Churchill
Gandhi
Lindberg
Clinton


So I see MLK, JFK, and Clinton are now good in the Republican book when it serves to make Bush look good.
 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:53 pm

Oh, this thread oughta be a hoot to review in about a day!!!!

Yup, I think Dubya has done okay, not fantastic, just okay. Lots of folks think different, that's their right and priviledge. I'm good with that.

I do wish he'd get rid of Dumsfeld as SecDef. That arrogant, pompous, autocratic ass continues to get troops killed because that civilian refuses to listen to those that have been there and done that . . . . but I digress. This is a Bush thread, but geeeez, Dumsfeld really baffles me.

Bush has his shortcomings, as with all people. Let us not forget that he was elected by the largest number of popular votes in the history of this land.

I know, I know, that Massechusetts Dumocrat married to the rich three purple hearts in as many months (can anyone say BULLSH!T) tax loving Hanoi Jane befriending US Senator came in with the second highest number of votes - but then this thread about about him is it.  Insane What was his name again???

Good for you Dubya. Congrats.

As for Micheal Moore, and his media crap, well, everyone's entitled to their opinion, and that's ok. I protected his right to run his mouth for 24 years in uniformed service. And that's democracy at work. It's that very same democracy that re-elected Dubya, so it's time for the Micheal Moores of the world to simply suck it up.



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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:01 pm

According to the editor of Time, Bush won the award mostly for his positive and unique style of leadership. This is a positive thing. You can all make whatever excuse you want to demean the award but he was given it for a positive and complimenting reason.
 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 5:09 pm

Jesus tap dancing Christ ... That liberal rag has stooped to new lows.
Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Mon Dec 20, 2004 6:15 pm

Since when did Hollywood actors have a right to be huge blowhard political activists?

I think the year was 1776.


WRONG! I believe the constitution was writted after 1776  Laugh out loud

By the way, the original comment is pretty pathetic. Since when is it an issue when people excercise their first amendment rights?
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Tue Dec 21, 2004 6:35 am

Haha! You Americans are too funny. Religion, politics, the media - all good for a laugh.

But keep it up, good fun all round  Nuts
 
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RE: Time Person Of The Year 2004: Bush

Tue Dec 21, 2004 7:16 am

Bush won the award mostly for his positive and unique style of leadership.

Unique style of leadership... Sure, combination of ignorance, bigotry, warmongering and spreading of fear and hatred is somewhat "unique" but hardly positive.

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