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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Thu Jan 13, 2005 3:50 am

EA CO AS:
Hey I am all for a truce but I don't get the access to abortion connection. Look at those who are getting abortions.
Worth noting, a story the so called 'liberal media' forgot to air during the 2000 Presidential elections was that George W. Bush forced a women who wasn't his wife to have an abortion. There are plenty of registered Republicans that think they're conservative that have had and/or paid for abortions.

I know plenty of liberals that own guns. A true liberal would never want to take away the right of a law abiding citizen to own a gun.


The only reason I brought that up was that these seem to be the two "lighting rod" issues for each side of the political spectrum. Perhaps the ability for liberals and conservatives to come together on most issues would be helped by a "treaty" of sorts, where they agree to leave each other's one big pet issue alone forever?

Just a thought in a halfheartedly joking sense.

By the way, I agree with you when you say that a true "liberal" in every sense of the word would never want to infringe on a law abiding citizen's right to own a gun. In practice though, that doesn't appear to be the case.
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:08 am

your cheese has completely slid off your cracker

Hey, can I use that line sometime! It cracked me up!  Big thumbs up
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Thu Jan 13, 2005 4:19 am

I think that most liberals are quite content with having some restrictions on both gun ownership (background checks, waiting periods, bans on owning assault weapons), as well as restrictions on abortion (no abortion in the third (and possibly, the second) trimester unless a mother's physical health is in danger, parental approval for minors (unless again the minor is in danger of being killed by irate parents)).

Neither the Second Amendment nor the right to privacy emanating from the Griswold cases (of which Roe v Wade is one) guarantee any absolute right without caveats that take into account the interests of the nation.

The right to abortion, and the right to gun ownership are two separate beasts. However, liberals and conservatives often talk as if its one or the other. This type of discussion is used by one side to elevate their issue above that of the other sides issue.
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Thu Jan 13, 2005 6:50 am

my guns have killed less people than Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile"

I can't claim that.

My M1 Garand is an August of 41 manufacture, with a 1954 barrel, so the idea that it didn't see service in WWII and Korea just doesn't fly with me.

My Mauser 98K is a Russian battlefield pick up so you know it saw WWII service.

But while in my hands only caribou and moose have to fear them.
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:06 am

LOL.. JetMech your cheese has completely slid off your cracker! Never has any chick ditched me for another guy ....and that's just dating them!!! You on the other hand caught your ex-wife getting plugged by someone else!!! I don't even know how to relate to that! And even right now, I'm getting more ass than you are..and you're friggin' married!!! So please... we've seen the less than stellar advice you're capable of coughing up, save it for someone who does actually listen to you!

This gem bears repeating. Lets have a look at it huh? "Never has any chick ditched me for another guy" What are you trying to say? That no chick has ever ditched you? Or that after having sex with you, they were so repulsed by men that they became lesbians? Which is it?
Then we have this one, "I'm getting more ass than you are..And you're friggin' married!!!" I am just curious, how would you know that? Have you been peeking in my window at night? As for your statement, you may be right, about the ass part. I tend to get pussy, not ass, but hey, too each his own. Who am I to comment on your choice of partners. Like I said before, you really need to think about getting at life of your own. This obsession you have is not healthy.

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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Fri Jan 14, 2005 2:12 am

Re: But while in my hands only caribou and moose have to fear them

Don't forget about the roadsigns ! And I'm sure even the caribou aren't THAT worried ! They've seen you shoot...

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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Fri Jan 14, 2005 5:20 am

Roadsigns...

Nahhh

Taste too metalic.
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Fri Jan 14, 2005 9:23 am

This gem bears repeating. Lets have a look at it huh? "Never has any chick ditched me for another guy" What are you trying to say? That no chick has ever ditched you? Or that after having sex with you, they were so repulsed by men that they became lesbians? Which is it?
Then we have this one, "I'm getting more ass than you are..And you're friggin' married!!!" I am just curious, how would you know that? Have you been peeking in my window at night? As for your statement, you may be right, about the ass part. I tend to get pussy, not ass, but hey, too each his own. Who am I to comment on your choice of partners. Like I said before, you really need to think about getting at life of your own. This obsession you have is not healthy.


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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:45 pm

Got really bummed out there.

Stopped by a local gun store to pick up a rommanian ammo box, since I have been doing a lot of cleaning lately and they make great storage containers.

Anyway was fondleing the merchandise and discovered that they had a number of Garand rifles on the rack...including a 8/41 production one from Winchester....

Damm being unemployed...I can't get toys  Pissed
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Fri Jan 14, 2005 6:32 pm

Don't worry, L-188 - think of it this way: No point buying a new rifle now, because the Gu'mmint and the goddamn Commie UN is just going to take it away from you ! Save your money to buy aluminum foil from which to fashion anti-CIA-ray hats.

That thought will add a nice rosy glow to your anti-ZOG resentments, which will keep you warm all winter, thus saving on having to scrounge behind Walmart for pallets to burn in your oil drum. It's a win-win scenario !  Smile

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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Sat Jan 15, 2005 4:27 am

Not if I pack it in grease and bury it under the foundation in a piece of PVC.

Sad part is that the rate of return on that rifle, if I where to buy it would no doubt be higher then a lot of other investments I could make.

That oddly enough is why there has been no significant movement by owners of class III weapons to have those restrictions repealed. They where bought as collectors items.
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Sat Jan 15, 2005 8:46 am

I agree with you, Matt D...but don't expect much in the way of agreement by a.net users in general. You've effectively described most of them in your post, so they have had their tailfeathers all shaken up. As I always tell anti-gun people...the moment you can convince the bad guy to play by the rules (i.e. no guns), you will convince me that we should take guns away from the good guys. Maybe the bad guys in SFO play fair ball (without guns)...but I hardly think so. Therefore, I'd be damned before I take away guns from the good guy...
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:14 am

If they do, then that Socialist "paradise" city will deserve exactly what it has coming: namely a skyrocket increase in robberies, homicides, and assaults.

This is from the original post and it makes me wonder. I ask all of the gun supporters in this thread to think about this case:

If you came home and someone unarmed was robbing you or you were being robbed in the middle of the night and caught the thief unarmed (no dangerous weapons) would you shoot the thief? If you answer yes to this then from my knowledge of the law isn't that homicide and you would add to the problem if the thief posed no threat to your life and therefore is not considered self-defense because they were just a threat to your material goods. Now if he was armed and threatened your life then it would be considered self-defense but in my case he wasn't armed.

What are your answered.

And I pose a question why in Canada a country with no gun control I don't worry about being robbed, killed or assaulted to the point that i need a gun for protection.
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:24 am

And I pose a question why in Canada a country with no gun control I don't worry about being robbed, killed or assaulted to the point that i need a gun for protection.

Like Alaska - too busy trying to stay warm  Big thumbs up

Ok, joke over . . .

If you came home and someone unarmed was robbing you or you were being robbed in the middle of the night and caught the thief unarmed (no dangerous weapons) would you shoot the thief?

Nope, not if they did exactly what I told them to do. . . . which would initially be to 'freeze in place or I will shoot you'. Any other movement I would consider a hostile act, myself - my family threatened and cap their sorry ass. . . . right now.
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:34 am

Nope, not if they did exactly what I told them to do. . . . which would initially be to 'freeze in place or I will shoot you'. Any other movement I would consider a hostile act, myself - my family threatened and cap their sorry ass. . . . right now.

Thats a good answer, now if he moved and you killed him would you be able to convince a jury thats it is self defense, but that is a whole other matter. Sadly I believe that most people wouldn't have reacted like you IMO.
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:41 am

Let me add to your scenario here if I may take the liberty . . . .

If you come home and 'surprise' someone in your home, are you giong to know they are unarmed? Are you going to take that chance? Is your life worth that bet? Is your family worth that bet?

Mine is not . . .

I will give them one, and only one opportunity to remain alive. Fail to do exactly what I said, and it's all over. And, as far as juries are concerned, there's an old saying . . . rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

I could imagine the worst being a conviction for manslaughter . . . not murder, and that's a very, very remote possibility of a conviction.
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RE: Gotta Love Them Liberals

Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:52 am

If you come home and 'surprise' someone in your home, are you giong to know they are unarmed?

No, and again there is nothing wrong with what you would do as I would probably do the same thing if I chose to have a gun.
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