"The "War on Terror" will never ultimately be won because you have to know who your opponent is before you can possibly defeat them.
Not only that, one actually has to fight the real
enemy instead of invading a country which had as much to do with 9/11 as Elbonia!
"There has been several stories that some metal equipment stolen by the Iraqi's in the early days of the initial military actions of the US/UK in Iraq was later sold to scrap dealers locally who in turn sold it to Europian companies. When it arrived in Europe, at metal recycling facilities, their radiation detectors went off, so some possible nuculear weapons (or more likely nuculer medical equipment) was stolen.
These materials, in exactly the same way as the tons of high-explosives 'missing', had actually already been found by the UN Weapons Inspectors and were being monitored by them, and the sites where they were stored were actually protected by the Iraqi Military, as demanded by the UN. These Iraqi guards left as soon as the US invasion began. The materials found in Europe (missile parts) were stolen after the beginning of the war.
" The missile engines and some other equipment discovered in the scrap yards had been monitored by UN inspectors because of their potential dual use in both legitimate civilian activities and banned weapons production. In his briefing to the Security Council, Perricos said UN inspectors do not how much material has been removed from Iraq that they had been monitoring.
Unfortunately, some media reports, particularly those in favour of the war, gave their own particular 'spin' to this discovery:
"U.N. Finds Banned Missile Engines in Jordan
"United Nations inspectors: Saddam shipped out WMD before war and after
"To me now the real worry is that the information and people with the knowlege to make WMD's either left or shipped to neighboring countries (Syria, Iran) may be used by terrorists groups like Al Quada to make WMD's for terror acts.
Al Qaeda didn't use any WMD's on 9/11 nor before. It was this Bush Administration which linked Al Qaeda with WMD's and, in return, WMD's with Saddam. The neocons knew perfectly well how to play the minds of milions of Americans to be able to invade Iraq, by linking Terrorism with WMD's and accusing Saddam of having large quantities of the latter.
If you are really worried about the information and people with the knowlege to make WMD's, take a look at the former USSR
: tons of WMD's and materials around virtually unprotected, many with the knowledge combined with extreme poverty and a very poor economic future.
"No...but when you include the intel services of France, Germany, and Russia...you get my point.
I'd really like to know where it says that the intel of these 3 nations had the same independent
intel as the US and the UK.Nevertheless, since the governments of these 3 nations did NOT support the invasion of Iraq, one can imagine just how much confidence they had in their own intel.
"Hardly have I forgotten...perhaps you have "forgotten" that those same inspectors were not allowed back in-they had previously been kicked out-until troops were in the area.
Of course Saddam became alot more 'cooperative' as soon as there was a military build-up in the area. But stating that the UN did NOT know prior to the War that there were no WMD's, is not only one of the most idiotic statements I've read in years, it's also completely false!
Re-read what Hans Blix said in the UN Security Council just before the invasion. Re-read the opinions on the issue of other UN Security Council members that opposed the invasion. The UN was perfectly aware of the fact that Saddam wasn't such a threat as Bush proclaimed. That's why it simply wouldn't approve an eventual new Resolution for the invasion of Iraq for which the US/UK even prepared a draft in the days prior to the invasion.
"Actually, a large majority of the world did believe he was...hence the UN resolution aiming to clarify the previous decades resolutions.
??? This UN resolution you are pointing at was to demand from Saddam to let inspectors back into the country to continue
the inspections-, monitoring- and disarming-process it had carried out successfully before. The resolution was adopted to get Saddam to comply, not because he was major threat.
"And it is naieve to think that the inaction of a few notables like Russia, France, and Germany was because they didn't believe he was a threat.
Give the hard fact
that no WMD's have been found whatsoever
, coupled with the hard fact
that Saddam had absolutely nothing
to do with 9/11, I don't think that is so naive at all!
"In hindsight I would expect any President immediately post 9/11, equipped with the intel on hand, to do the same thing this President did...Clinton, Gore, Kerry, or whomever, I would expect the same and would have backed them accordingly.
Long before the war started, a large majority of the world did not believe it was a very clever idea of the Bush Administrastion to invade a large Muslim nation in an unstable Middle-East as a part of the "War on Terror", based on nothing but shaky intel and cheap accusations while describing doomsday scenarios about mushroom-shaped clouds and chemical weapons being sprayed from UAV's. That large majority saw how you got fooled and fell for the Bush Propaganda Machine and how you blindly followed your leader. Now who's been naive here...?
"Unfortunately though, it could be argued that the previous admin did not do nearly enough to counteract Rad-Islam terrorism, especially when you review the reactions to the numerous attacks directed at the USA.
Radical Islam still exists today. Heck, it has even increased
since the invasion of Iraq. Yet you believe Clinton didn't do nearly enough about it! Yeah, right...
"I guess we should put Saddam back in power since everyone seems so opposed against him being gone.
Nice try. Perhaps you'd care to read the threat-title. This discussion is about WMD's, WMD's which were not found in Iraq. And this war started over WMD's, remember? The invasion of Iraq being a part of the "War on Terror"?
It's amazing how fast people forget these details...
"Read the report and it will tell you Saddam had the programs, personal, and intentions of rebuilding his stockpiles...This alone put him in violation of 13 U.N. resolutions.
Have you read those UN resolutions? No? 'Cause that what this is all about. UN resolutions about Saddam dissarming
and the US/UK believing he still had huge amounts of WMD's with which he threatened them. No WMD's whatsoever
found = Saddam being dissarmed, in my book!
"Oh, and I guess the dozens of shells filled with various chemical weapons, including binary nerve gas (something Saddam didn't have in 1991) weren't really WMD's
After having been lying around for decades in the desert, one can assess this handfull of shells were no longer ussable as WMD's.
"As I've always said when someone asks, "how many WMD's must be found to satisfy the left?" The Answer: One more than will ever be found.
Please tell us, B757300, how many workable WMD's have actually been found to date? And please back up your undoubtfully very long list with real links! (I mean real WMD's, not the trailers they were supposedly transported with).
"The U.S. believed he had them (under both Presidents Clinton & Bush), so did the British, French, Germans, Russians, Chinese, and the organization liberals love the most, the U.N.
Yep, but the keyword you've left out is when
they believed that.
"President Bush did what he was elected to do. He used the information he had available at the time to make a decision regarding the national security of the United States.
Despite the fact the most of the info he had available stated Saddam was NOT a threat. A pitty he apparently didn't read those memo's...
"It was the right decision at the time, it is still the right decision today and the majority of Americans agree with that opinion and if you don't think that is so, just check the election results from November 2, 2004.
The fact that the majority of the Americans agree with that opinion doesn't mean it was the right decision. The majority of Americans also believed Saddam was behind 9/11! Now how on earth could they have gotten that misperception?! /sarcasm