"Ahhhh terrific. Airplay comparing US social conservatives to the KKK. What a ridiculous thing to say."
Is it, Neil? Is it really? I'm not so sure I can say that's entirely untrue and without merit. There are parallels, and they are quite disconcerting.
"Cultures are malleable, and ours is changing now."
As it always has, and will always continue to do so, for better or for worse....
pardon the ironic pun. Let's hope that we are truly on the edge of an enlightened cultural awakening.
"The church has adapted before, it will do so again."
And this, this is the achilles heel of the church. The only reason they have 'adapted', and will continue to do so is in the name of survival, as it would appear the masses progress quicker than they. Then again, the Catholic Church has certainly not adapted itself to be a viable entity in the 21rst Century, that is for those who have moved on and wish for a better world.
"It's funny to read your posts guys. Some of you, "freedom loving person(s)" as JpetekYXMD80 likes to describe himself, don't hesitate to bash and insult religion, religious people and religious denominations. Indeed it's a calling-names fest."
No, SFOMEX, it's a call to arms against the negative, damaging dogmatic rhetoric that has been preached by the collective organized man-made faiths for centuries. The scar tissue, the residue, is evident among many of the docile sheep. It's about calling an ace an ace, and a spade a spade. Moreover, it's about truth. It's about justice, and it's about trying, attempting to create a better world for us, our children and all those who will follow after us. Many of us have woken up and seen the collateral damage caused by faiths throughout this planet, and we've had enough. It's about removing the cobwebs, rose coloured glasses and shackles that have held mankind hostage for far too long. The only thing we so-call 'hate' are those archaic minds who are themselves the conduits for hate, segregation, racism and discrimination.
"If I used the "f" word in any of my posts regarding gays, I'd get deleted and maybe suspended. Yet, words as nuts, zealots, narrowminded, ignorant, pustules (a nice one..), and so on are freely used to call people who happen to have a faith."
Having a 'faith' is one thing. Possessing negative traits which only serve to
constrict and deny others, therby creating a retrograde in regards to civil rights is quite another issue altogether. Names? We have plenty more. Would you care to hear them? So glad you liked the term 'pustule'. I rather liked that myself, and do feel it conveyed my thoughts and ideals perfectly, especially in regards to Mr. Harper and co., thank you.
"As you have a right to demand gay marriage.."
It should be the mandate of all to demand equal rights for all.
"other people have the right to fight for only heterosexual marriage."
Wrong. You and your archaic kind have absolutely no right whatsoever to fight for and demand non-equal rights amongst men and women who have had the fortune or misfortune to be born with a genetic code that conflicts with the horrific man made dogma that has been fed to you and your kind. As I stated before, look back in time just a tad and review and assess the racial battle of African Americans in the 60's. Their own genetic code enabled them to be the target of despicable and inhumane hatred amongst many whites.....especially in the 'Bible Belt' of the U.S southwest, where, if memory serves me correctly, many so-called 'Christians' made and continue to make their home. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe I am, did not the priests, preachers and the like that stood at the pulpits in these 'houses of God' directly and indirectly instruct their respective flocks to support the oppression and segregation of the Black community? They claimed to be houses of worship, of the 'divine', where all were welcomed, but 'God' forbid if a person of colour dared to infiltrate their sacred ranks. And this, this, is 'Religion' for you to embrace and uphold. Blacks were beaten to death, shot,
spit at, all because they carried, again, a genetic code that made them
'different' from the white flocks, who, again, in turn received absolution for their horrific actions straight from the pulpit, from the preachers who claimed to be so commanded by 'God' to do so.
"One day the South will know that when these disinherited children of God sat down at lunch counters, or dared to walk down streets with their heads held high, they were in reality standing up for the best in the American dream and the most sacred values in our Judaeo-Christian heritage, and thusly, carrying our whole nation back to those great wells of democracy which were dug deep by the founding fathers in the formulation of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence."
-Martin Luther King, Jr. Letter from Birmingham Jail (April 1963)
Recall the placards carried by the 'Christians' in their quest for segregation,
oppression and moral, genetic superiority:
'God Hates Niggers' and the like. (My apologies to people of colour here for this horrific word used).
Recall the placards carried in anti-Gay protests by the 'Christians' in their quest for oppression and moral, genetic superiority:
'God Hates Faggots', and the like. (My apologies to gay persons here for this
horrific word used).
Extremist? Of course. Universal in the collective, respective religious communities? Of course not. But one has to wonder and question where the
faction of these groups received their direct or indirect motivation.
"The literalism of Religion will be its undoing".
This is NOT to say that such horrific signage was written, carried or condoned by ALL
Christians and people of faith. That would be grossly unfair to say it was and is the case. I'm not that stupid or naive.
We've come a long way, baby.
Examples of oppression through history abound, and are not exclusive to the Black and Gay communities. All are without question fueled by 'faith' - their respective churches being the catalysts - 'spreading the word of love and acceptance...as long as that particular brand of faith is the one accepted without question. You and your 'church' have no right to spread your gospels of hatred and oppression. And who may I ask commands you to do so? Your all-loving 'God'? Is your crusade against your fellow man in the name of this divine entity? No, it's in the name of you, and all who stand beside you. Your words only serve to confirm the fact of what exactly organized religion stands for. Do I 'hate' that? Yes, with every bone in my body, I despise that.
"That's the way to go guys. You know why last november YOU lost every single election regarding gay marriage? Even in Oregon? Because of your arrogance and delusional moral superiority."
Well, well, well. And here we have the proverbial cross calling the fabulously designed kettle black. Arrogance & delusional moral superiority? Got a mirror handy? Better yet, my friend, look no further than your nearest coven...excuse me..church or prayer group. Arrogance and moral superiority are without a doubt two words branded onto the figurative crest which hangs on the door of any house of worship and faith.
"Get real for a moment and realize that you have to win hearts and minds of the very same people you despise."
Quite the challenge, my friend, considering how brain-washed the vast majority of them are. And I know what I speak of, as I myself am a deserter of the Roman Catholic cult, headed by Vatican Inc. Oh, speaking of which, I do find it more than amusing that, for centuries, countless gay men and women have taken refuge in the Catholic church as ordained priests and nuns. The numbers boggle the mind. A whole different animal is the horrific and widespread sexual abuse of children by countless priests, the result being that Vatican Inc. has literally swept as many incidents under the rug as possible, by merely moving the accused from one parish to another. DON'T talk to me about moral superiority, my friend. This same Church has the audacity to condemn and deny rights to the very same people who have populated their ranks (many in positions of high power within the Vatican) for eons.
"Your opponents have God (or at least they want to believe that) at their side. Who is at your side?"
Those whose values and morals encompass and embrace equality, and accept all without question or judgement. Those who yearn for peace and acceptance without the hindrance of acute politicized scripture and text written long ago, and belongs in that era, not this one. We do not merely 'tolerate' those who are 'different', as that term in and of itself does not imply absolute recognition and acceptance. Those who follow their own particular brand of 'faith', that being true brotherhood.
As a straight man, I am at the side of gay men and women, as are countless heterosexuals. I stand beside them, for I believe in their quest, their right for equality, for their denial of rights as human beings is my own.
"In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends."
-Martin Luther King, Jr.
"You may give a rat ass about Him, but for the vast, VAST majority of people you need to win this, God is an essential part of their lives."
I deeply care about peace. I deeply care about love. I deeply care about the quality of life that some enjoy and take for granted, yet is denied to many others. I freely admit that I cannot fully empathize with a person of colour, or a person of same-sex orientation, nor will I pretend to even attempt to do so. I don't know what it is like to be hated, spat upon, ridiculed, physically assualted, despised and ostracized for merely being 'different'. I don't know what it's like to be treated like a second or third class citizen. But I certainly recognize and respond to human pain, oppression and suffering, whether it be individual or collective. As fellow human being, I care deeply enough to stand by them and support them, not in the name of 'God', but in the name of humanity.