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Mir
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Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sat Mar 05, 2005 10:03 pm

http://www.cnn.com

No detailed link yet, but there's a big red banner that says that Lebanese armored vehicles have surrounded the Syrian intelligence headquarters in Beirut.

Somehow I don't think that Syria is going to be very happy about this.

Your thoughts? Might this throw a wrench in the plans for Syria to leave the country?

-Mir
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:13 am

Mir,

The Lebanese armored vehicles were guarding the Syrian intelligence buildings while Syrians were packing home.
By the end of the week, these buildings are expected to be emptied and turned back to their legal owners.

As Syrian president Assad declared today, "Syria will withdraw all its forces in Lebanon to the Bekaa Valley area, closer to the Syrian-Lebanese border."

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/03/05/syria/index.html
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:23 am

How come intelligence service of a foreign country has its own hq buildings in presumably sovereign country?
Don't they usually pretend to be "diplomats" contained within the embassy premises?
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:26 am

Quoting L410Turbolet (reply 2):
How come intelligence service of a foreign country has its own hq buildings in presumably sovereign country?


This is why The Cedar Revolution took place.

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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 4:43 am

I hope the Lebanese will succeed.  champagne   white 
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:02 am

I get the distinct impression from the rumblings of the Bush administraton in the last few days that the Syrians better get a move on here or they will be encouraged by the US Navy and/or the French Air Force.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:09 am

Quoting 11Bravo (reply 5):
I get the distinct impression from the rumblings of the Bush administraton in the last few days that the Syrians better get a move on here or they will be encouraged by the US Navy and/or the French Air Force.


I get the distinct impression you're right. Not that the French Air Force could do much encouraging. Big grin
 
Mir
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:11 am

Quoting 11Bravo (reply 5):
I get the distinct impression from the rumblings of the Bush administraton in the last few days that the Syrians better get a move on here or they will be encouraged by the US Navy and/or the French Air Force.


That would be, in my opinion, the worst thing to do. Lebanon is already handling this themselves. Let them finish it on their own. I've seen nothing that makes me think that they won't be able to do it.

Remember, in the Middle East, where the US military goes, these guys are not far behind:



-Mir
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:28 am

Quoting Mir (reply 7):
That would be, in my opinion, the worst thing to do.


I basically agree. Military action by any outsider could be very counterproductive. Even though I disagree with much of what the Bush administration has done in the last four years, I have also learned to take their tough talk pretty seriously and the Syrian Government would be wise to do the same.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting Mir (reply 7):
Lebanon is already handling this themselves.


So far, so good.

This was the reaction today after Assad declared that he will pull out his troops out of lebanon:

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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:47 am

The Syrian president had no choice today but to read out this statement.The international pressure from US/France, from the Arab world, from Russia and many others had to be met. If Assad refused to do so he would be commiting suicide to his country IMO.
I hope the pullout goes smoothly and at a fast pace.

MEA310
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:02 am

I wish the best for Lebanon. The Lebanese look like a very proud bunch and I think they've been through enough as it is. Hopefully Syria will finally get it and leave.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:26 am

I congratulate the people of Lebanon for this moves. After long years of Israeli and Syrian occupation a brighter future may be at the door  Smile
 
Mir
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:30 am

LY7E7, it would seem that your signature may in fact be prophetic....  Smile

-Mir
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:13 am

I just got back home and the atmosphere on the streets is fantastic. Syria will be pulling out soon. Lebanese flags are everywhere and people are celebrating. I expect a big party when the TV cameras show the last soldier crossing the other side of the Lebanese-Syrian border.

It's about time we did our homework ourselves and deal with the problems we are facing without their interference which usually turns out to be not to our best interests.

I took tons of photos and I will try to post them here for everyone tomorrow.

All the best.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 8:56 am

As CedarWings said, the Lebanese armored vehicles were there to guard the Syrian intelligence officers and buildings. They were not there in anyway to start some sort of confrontation.

The US and any other nation in the world should not get involved in the Lebanese/Syrian affairs directly.

Any direct US and any other foreign involvement will create lots of trouble. During the civil war, LOTS of trouble arose when the US came in and got involved and they themselves suffered many casualties from the US embassy bombing to the Marine barracks bombing.

The Lebanese invited the Syrians in, the Lebanese will kick the Syrians out.

If the US and other foreign nations want to do their part, they can freeze the assets of the pro-Syrian Lebanese leaders and Syrian leaders themselves which I believe is what many have done already. They can also keep applying pressure and demanding that the Syrians withdraw, but any sort of military confrontation will have grave consequences for everyone.

Not to mention that military action will only further destabilize and devastate the region and many innocent lives will be lost.

The opposition have called for a peaceful uprising and peaceful means is the only way to go.

The Lebanese are handling the situation fine at the moment I think. I think a complete total Syrian withdrawl is inevitable no matter how much Syria and Syrian supporters resist.

It's going to come simply because of the internal pressure from the Lebanese and also of course the external pressure.

Quoting Mir (reply 13):
LY7E7, it would seem that your signature may in fact be prophetic....


Leading opposition leader and leader of the Progressive Socialist Party, Walid Jumblatt said that they will not make peace with Israel or recognize it.

Instead what he and others are calling for is a truce to completely end the fighting across the border, but no recognition or diplomatic ties at all.

This means Hezbollah would stop fighting to liberate the disputed Shebaa Farms and Israel would end its illegal overflights in Lebanon.

A complete cease-fire from both sides.

Jumblatt stated that they want to share a common foreign policy with Syria in regards to Israel.

Michel Aoun, leader of the Free Patriotic Movement who is currently in exile in France and will be returning to Lebanon soon stated that Lebanon will make peace with Israel only after Syria makes peace with Israel.

Basically the point is even though the Lebanese are uprising against the Syrian oppressive cronies, it does not mean Lebanon/Israel peace is any closer to happening.

OD720,

I'll be looking forward to them.  Smile
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:30 am

Cedarwings:

Thank you for your pics. I could tell how brave is your people. God speed!
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Compl

Sun Mar 06, 2005 12:00 pm

Quoting BA (reply 15):
This means Hezbollah would stop fighting to liberate the disputed Shebaa Farms and Israel would end its illegal overflights in Lebanon.


Who supports Hezbollah? Are they Iranian funded? Do they have their own party and what percentage do they carry?
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:06 pm

Quoting Mir (reply 13):
it would seem that your signature may in fact be prophetic



Hardly. Lebanon will be the last Arab country to recognize Israel (if ever). The reason lies in socio-economic ties of Lebanon with the entire Arab world as a banking and touristic center of it.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 5:22 pm

It appears Lebanon is finally returning to it's own - it would be great to visit Beruit, and to have it as grand as it once was - remember, the Paris of the Meditterean.

The US and EU need to watch, and stay out of it. I think the Lebanese folks will see this through to the end. Any encroachment that is not invited will only destabilize the progress.

Congratulations to all the Lebanese A-Netters!  thumbsup 
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:14 pm

Quoting LY7E7 (reply 18):
The reason lies in socio-economic ties of Lebanon with the entire Arab world as a banking and touristic center of it


Not to mention past abuses by Israelis on Lebanese, and the continually incursions of the Israelis into Lebanon.

Questions to Lebanese members. What would be worse for Lebanon? Syrian troops being stationed there? Or US/Israeli troops? You do realise that this is the plan of PNAC?

Whilst it is good that Syria will be respecting the sovereignty of Lebanon, it is important to consider the figures in the shadows, what their plans are, and what hand in events they have had.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 6:33 pm

Quoting Russophile (reply 20):
Not to mention past abuses by Israelis on Lebanese, and the continually incursions of the Israelis into Lebanon.


Yeah Russo, way to present one side of the story only! No surprise, though. Making peace means moving on from the past and getting out of the endless circle of finger pointing, but judging from what BA wrote there seem to be lack of will at least on one side.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 7:25 pm

Quoting Russophile (reply 20):
What would be worse for Lebanon? Syrian troops being stationed there? Or US/Israeli troops?


Guys, we want to forget the past. Both Israelis, and Syrians were nightmares to us, we really want to try to rule ourselves by our own ... Proudly.

Lebanon is a very small country in which more than 17 ethnic and religious groups exist, and if you add to this 23 politically active parties, you may understand how difficult our task is.

May God help us.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 9:12 pm

Quoting Mir (reply 13):
LY7E7, it would seem that your signature may in fact be prophetic....


If you think Syria is the reason there is so much tension between Lebanon and Israel, then you are wrong. Lebanon was hurt badly from Israel during the civil war, just as it had been from Syria. Israel continues to violate Lebanese airspace with its fighter jets and it continues to hold an area in South Lebanon known as the Shebaa farms - the damange Israel has done to Lebanon is huge, and it will not be something that will be easily forgiven.

Quoting ANCFlyer (reply 19):
It appears Lebanon is finally returning to it's own - it would be great to visit Beruit, and to have it as grand as it once was - remember, the Paris of the Meditterean.


The Syrian deployment has done nothing to prevent Beirut from becoming grand again - the city is already leaps ahead of where it was a decade ago, and they are moving forward quickly.

Quoting L410Turbolet (reply 21):
Yeah Russo, way to present one side of the story only! No surprise, though. Making peace means moving on from the past and getting out of the endless circle of finger pointing, but judging from what BA wrote there seem to be lack of will at least on one side.


Do you underestimate how bad Israel hurt Lebanon? And do you not know that they are still violating Lebanese airspace and that they are still holding Lebanese land at the Shebaa farms? And you were talking about him showing one side...
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:47 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (reply 21):
Yeah Russo, way to present one side of the story only! No surprise, though.


Only need to present one side of the story. My comment was directly linked to the statement regarding why Lebanon would be the last country to recognise Israel. Anything that may have happened to Israel from Lebanon is totally irrelevant in this regard.

Quoting CedarWings (reply 22):
Guys, we want to forget the past. Both Israelis, and Syrians were nightmares to us, we really want to try to rule ourselves by our own ... Proudly.


I can understand wanting to forget the past, but the fact is, the past is still going to determine the future of Lebanon, if only because of regional issues.

What gets me is how many people, including those in the halls of power in Washington, are demanding that Syria withdraw all troops immediately from Lebanon. Frankly, this is the WORST thing that could happen. What Syria is suggesting is a regimented withdrawal in stages. Anything more than this will create a power vacuum in Lebanon, and we all know what happened the last time such a situation was created. And by parties calling for immediate withdrawal of troops, it is almost like they actually want a re-occurrence.

Whatever happens, the Lebanese must not allow themselves to be railroaded by external forces.

Forces such as those who call for 'free and fair' elections in Lebanon (Rice is one such person who is on the record as saying this, as is Chirac). Can anyone else see why such calls are pathetic and farsical, and make one think why are they saying this in the first place? What is their motive?
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Compl

Sun Mar 06, 2005 10:55 pm

As I understand it, it's not a total pullout from Lebanon that the Syrians are doing, but just withdrawing to an area closer to the Syrian border, hence the Syrians still occupy a part of Lebanon, which is unacceptable.

Ojh, and someone earlier on mentioned the French Air Force...France has an air force?  Wow!
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:00 pm

Quoting Gkirk (reply 25):
France has an air force


Well, techincally...  Smile

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/text/france.html
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:10 pm

Quoting QR332 (reply 23):
And do you not know that they are still violating Lebanese airspace and that they are still holding Lebanese land at the Shebaa farms?


Upon Syrian withdrawal such flights will be less necessary. (Also depends on Hezbollah of course, and their Syrian and Iranian funding)

In regard to the Sheba farms - this tiny piece was conquered from Syria, not Lebanon. According to the international law the farms belong to Syria. They are claimed by Lebanon (and this claim is not contested by the Syrians). Still , the international law comes first in this case, thus the farms can only be returned to Syria.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Sun Mar 06, 2005 11:12 pm

LMAO @ LY7E7 Big grin Big grin
Cheers for the link  rotfl 
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Compl

Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:06 am

Nobody has talked about the politics of the future.
What parties rule, have strength, who the leaders are, what their attitudes are, etc.
Who will control after the next elections, who are the opposition, etc?

What role and strength does Hezbollah have in lebonese politics and how will their outside financial supporters respond to these events? I can see Iran gaining even more regional influence with Syrias decline.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:16 am

Forces such as those who call for 'free and fair' elections in Lebanon (Rice is one such person who is on the record as saying this, as is Chirac). Can anyone else see why such calls are pathetic and farsical, and make one think why are they saying this in the first place? What is their motive?

Not sure what you're going at here....But perhaps something about Lebanon not having free and fair elections now?
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Mon Mar 07, 2005 2:22 am

Quoting CedarWings (reply 22):
Guys, we want to forget the past. Both Israelis, and Syrians were nightmares to us, we really want to try to rule ourselves by our own ... Proudly.


CedarWings, and we wish you all the best for that. Your country suffered a lot the last years.
But you also have to remember why the Syrians came into your country - so what will happen after Syrians leave (hopefully soon)?

The Syrians were in your country that the people in Lebanon didn't lacerate themselves.
Throw the Syrians out but be wakeful that the old civil war doesn't start again.

And hopefully the US stays out of your country, it would be horrible if Bush mafia would invade your country.

You can do it for your own and it's great to get international help - but no military invasion (from anybody).
 
OD720
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Mon Mar 07, 2005 4:03 pm

The Syrians brought this to themselves. I still have to meet a single person who has anything positive to say about them and sure this is not right. I'm not surprised that even their closest ally, Russia, has called for immediate withdrawal.
We don't feel sorry for them for a minute.

On a sidenote, I will post some of my photos here. I'm having some computers problems at the moment.

All the best.
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Mon Mar 07, 2005 6:48 pm

Umm... BA, you lmost seemed happt that Lebanon will not seek peace/recognition with Israel.

THe reason Israel did and does to Lebanon what it does is because of Syria. Israel's greatest enemy is Syria and as longg as they are in Lebanon, Israel cannot respect Lebanese airspace or even their boarders. This is for Israels security. I assure you, once Lebanon is running Syria-free, Isrel will warm up to you guys.
 
OD720
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:50 am

I'm trying to post photos here but it tells me that this topic has been deleted. Anyone has a clue?
 
OD720
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:55 am

Here are some of my photos from Saturday, the day Syrian pullout was anounced. As you know, there were mass protests today as well.











 
OD720
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:57 am

Maybe I was trying to post too many photos at a time. It seems to work now.

These are from a few days earlier:







 
CedarWings
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Tue Mar 08, 2005 5:03 am

OD,

If you are still unable to attach your photos, post them in "Csavel's" thread.
Thanks
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Tue Mar 08, 2005 4:00 pm

OK, I must say, politics and relligion aside, Lebanese women are hot!
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Wed Mar 09, 2005 6:24 am

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/03/04/opinion/edbrown.html

one of my best friends teaches at the American School in Beirut and wrote this excellent editorial for the IHT on the demonstrations there
 
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:48 am

I just got reading about a pro Syrian-Hezbollah rally, is that real pashion or help our benefactors or else.
 
nycflyer
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:32 am

my friend just wrote this too: http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0309/p07s02-wome.html

apparently a lot of the pro-Syria demonstrators are bussed in from Syria, and from the poor Shiite reaches of Lebanon
 
pelican
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RE: Lebanese Military Surrounds Syrian Intel Complex

Wed Mar 09, 2005 8:37 am

I don't believe that they were "bussed in" from Syria.
But I would appreciate any comment from our Lebanese a.netters how we should understand the events from Tuesday.

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