I was afraid you'd do this. You seem to blithely forget that we had to consider everything within the constraints of the Cold War and needed to take a stand. When we did not take stands and help out leaders they typically turned to the USSR
....see Uncle Ho and your very good buddy Fidelito...both of whom sought help from the US prior to turning elsewhere.
Let me address each one of these clownshoes and see what the deal really was....were we supporting a dictator because it amused us or were we dealing in the geopolitics of the times?
CHIANG KAI-SHEK He was the leader of China during the war thus a legacy ally, and we dealt with him rather than the Communist dictator.
PARK CHUNG HEE HE
was a damn sight better than the alternative...
MOHAMMED ZIA UL
-HAQ He let us use his border for intel gathering against the evil empire and he kept the crazies in his country under control until they killed him in that C-130 bombing
FULGENCIO BATISTA SA
Czech Airlines">OK...no excuse there....
RAFAEL LEONIDAS TRUJILLO See below with Papa and Baby Doc...we just did not have the time to do anything other than make sure Hispaniola was not going communist. I wish we had.
FRANÇOIS & JEAN CLAUDE DUVALIER...we did not really support these assholes as much as we just ignored them since we had other fish frying in the region and did not want to rock any boats unnecessarily....we did help them get out, but the French did their part as well and for good reason.
GENERAL HUMBERTO BRANCO...Yeah...he was the head of the Army before he got our help to overthrow the then president, but he brought stability prior to allowing democratization and helped Brasil grow. Nothing is perfect, but he was no mass murderer. If you'll look it up you'll see he actually talked up democracy.....but kind of in a Turkish way...as long as everything is going well and stability is good.
COLONEL HUGO BANZER SAy what you want...this guy brought democracy to Bolivia and is the biggest hero since Bolivar in terms of bringing freedom to the people. He overthrew some serious scumbags and was later elected President in a free and fair elections. I'm not saying he is the best President they had, he had his issues economically, but the guy moved the country into the age of democracy and kept out the communists, who set up serious rebellions in neighboring nations.
GENERAL JORGE RAFAEL VIDELA...Ok this guy ran the Dirty War and then made himself Generalissimo, and there is not too much redeeming about him. Once again, it was a matter of the devil we knew and could exert some control over rather than one we could not and would spread the infection.
ALFREDO STROESSNER He was not too bad as dictators go. I don't think he is responsible for any mass murders and he allowed the liberalisation of politics in his country to the point the military overthrew him and that actually opened up the democratization. He was helped into Brasil.
GENERAL AUGUSTO PINOCHET...We will always disagree about the impact that Allende would have had, but you have to admit that he was leaning seriously toward marxist socialism and we were concerned he would allow the Soviets access to SA
Europe & the Middle East:
MOHAMMAD REZA PAHLEVI...Tell me the better answer for that country at the time? I think he was a scumbag, but would the alternative been any better? He turned out to be a serious ostrich in the end.
GENERAL FRANCISCO FRANCO...We did not put this guy into power and exerted some serious diplomatic influence over his regime while securing their assistance in NATO, all the while working to help democratize his nation. I also think that the relative stability they had allowed Juan Carlos to do the right thing and defend democracy when the colonels stormed parliament a couple years later. He was a brutal and repressive dictator (Juan Antonio Samaranch formerly of the IOC worked for him..someone explain that to me) who was not the best choice, but he had to be worked with in order to properly defend NATO.
OLIVEIRA SALAZAR...Yeah, he was a dictator, and had his own issues, but he was not particularly murderous or evil. He was just in charge. Once again we needed to work with him to properly safeguard Europe
GEORGE PAPADOPOULOS.. I'm not a fan...but would you rather Greece have gone communist? He was a Nazi during the war, as were many anti-communists in occupied territory, not that I excuse their actions. I wish we had not found it necessary to deal with him.
TURGUT OZAL....How is he a dictator? He was elected and served his party and his nation.
FERDINAND MARCOS Scumbag...but was a legacy of WWII
. We supported democracy in the Philippinnes as soon as it came around. Anyway we left them to their own devices in 1946.
SIR HASSANAL BOLKIAH Is he the guy from Oman or Brunei? Either way its all about the oil, and if it wasn't our friend doing the ruling it would be someone elses.
GENERAL SITIVENI RABUKA We did not help this guy overthrow the government there. They have their own internal issues thanks to the British bringing in Indians as plantation labor and setting up that island for trouble later. note...I served with a guy who came to the US Army after being a colonel in the Fiji army until '87 or whenever the revolt happened.
GENERAL SUHARTO...Once again...not proud that we had to work with this guy, but the choice was made clear by Vietnam. We could not afford to see a communist nation controlling the straights of mallacca (sic?).
MAXIMILIANO HERNANDEZ MARTINEZ
ANASTASIO SOMOZA, SR
. AND JR
. Scumbags from the Fruit Wars and an example of what I do not really like about our mid century geopolitics.
GENERAL EFRAIN RIOS MONT Who?
ROBERTO SUAZO CORDOVA Who?
GENERAL MANUEL NORIEGA Hey, here's another example of us dealing with someone I really wish we had not needed. When Trujillo
HALIE SELASSIE...Another WWII
legacy who we supported as an ally, remember that he was the legitimate Emperor of his country and did not really lose it until the end of the 60's.
IAN SMITH...I'm not a supporter of apartheid, nor of any two tier class system enforced by the government, but Rhodesia was a nice place before it went to Hell. They cannot even feed themselves now. THey need to accept their white citizens as natives instead of stealing their land. They have been there longer than we've been in most of the US, and we ain't giving back our property to the CHerokees or Creeks.
P. W. BOTHA Yeah.....RSA
had the whole apartheid thing working, did we not embargo their asses? How did we work with him after the 60's?
GENERAL SAMUEL DOE...Him and flight LT
Jerry Rawlings. They both seemed to have promise until they started executing everyone who opened their mouths against them. What are you gonna do, though? We did not put this clown in power....and everyone gets all pissy when we remove evil dictators.
MOBUTU SESE SEKO He got crazier as time went on and ended up being no better than Idi Amin Dada. But he was definitely better than Lumumba or any other communist puppet. He was the only man the Force Publique would follow and he calmed the country down during the 60's
Which is he? Please remind me.
|Quoting Superfly (Reply 38):|
Sorry if I seemed to bash you in my earlier post. It just sounded to canned and foxnewsesque.
Fly...no sweat. We can yell at each other sometimes...and that wasn't even yelling. I was in a hurry when I wrote and I was probably a little short with you so I'm sorry about that. Go listen to some Bird and buy yourself a beer, it's on me.