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Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Sat Apr 09, 2005 10:02 am

Hey there. I'm going to school for Law Enforcement myself, and was just kinda wondering if there are any Law Enforcement officers of any sort in here.

Who are you? And where do you work?

Thanks, Kai
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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:42 am

I am a Law enforcement officer and i work on the outskirts of London.

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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:02 am

Ryan, that's cool. You a Bobby?  Smile
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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:59 pm

Yes i guess you could say i am a Bobby!

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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:06 am

A lot of my firends are cops.


How did the name "Bobbys" come about?

And do you guys still wear those tall hats?

How does it feel going into dangerous situation with no firearm?
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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:15 am

I think originaly they were called "Peelers" after John Peel, who founded the police force back in the early 19th century. Their first uniform hat was a top hat.

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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 5):
I think originaly they were called "Peelers" after John Peel, who founded the police force back in the early 19th century. Their first uniform hat was a top hat.

Jan

Close but still no banana. They were called "Peelers" after Sir Robert Peel. His name is indeed the source of origination for the term "Bobby" as well. He was responsible for the formation of the London Metropolitan Police and the adoption of modern police organization which is evident in much of the world today. When forming the Metropolitan Police, the concept of a uniformed force was first put into practice. He wanted to make certain that the police were not viewed as an occupational force, since their authority is granted them at the will of the population. That being the case, he steered clear of the use of red or green since they are military colors (army and marines). That's why blue was selected for the police uniforms. Some officers still wear the tall hats, though many wear a uniform cap with the black and white checkered hadt band. The only US police force that wears the UK style uniform cap is the Chicago Police.

As for intervening in dangerous situations, my profession understanding of policing in the UK is that while firearms are a concern, stabbings are the greater risk there since there are proportionally more knives than firearms used in the UK. Arming patrol officers with truncheons/nightsticks and stab resistant vests would be more appropriate than unnecessary carriage of firearms. After all, a certain percentage of armed officers here in the US are wounded or killed with their service weapons by suspects. While a truncheon can be a lethal weapon, its lethality is substantially less than that of a firearm.
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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:30 am

57AZ.....a question from your late, lamented railroad thread.

From where does the authority of the railroad policeman come? I knew a guy who was with NS and it seemed he had multi-state jurisdiction along the railroad property. I was under the impression that only federal cops had that kind of pull, as police in our country are generally state post certified peace officers, including state, county and local cops.

Hope you have some insight.

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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:33 am

I confused the names. There exists a British military march called "John Peel" from the Napoleonic wars. I thought they were the same Peels
http://www.ballindalloch-press.com/2ndborder/johnpeel.html

BTW, in the British Army during the 19th century red was the uniform colour of the regular infantry and cavalry, while green was the colour of the rifle regiments. The Royal Marines also wore red coats.

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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting 57AZ (Reply 6):
Some officers still wear the tall hats, though many wear a uniform cap with the black and white checkered hadt band

We all still wear the custodian helmet but only when we are designated as "Foot Patrol", As far as i am aware (especially my force) there are no officers designated solely as foot patrol however each shift a couple may be required to "walk the beat".

majority of the time we are using vehicles and the flat cap is prefered.

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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:48 am

Ryan, do you guys do ride alongs in UK? Any time I travel somewhere, I try to get hooked up with a ride along with the locals  Smile
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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 6:29 pm

KaiGywer

As a rule we dont do ride alongs but if you know somebody who knows somebody then you may get lucky!
I have only seen a few ride alongs but mainly for other cops in other countries , most from the states who come over on official business.

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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Mon Apr 11, 2005 10:39 pm

Retired NYPD. In NYC all you need is two years of college credits or military service. You take a test, and if you pass it, and survive the background check then you are on your way to a rewarding career. In my opinion going to a law enforcement school is nothing more than a waste time of money, unless of course you are looking to possibly becoming a security guard. What they teach you in a police academy is more than you can ever learn some bogus law enforcement school. Besides while you are in the police academy you're getting paid. What you should do is go to college or a trade school to prepare yourself for life after you "retire from the job". That would be money well spent.

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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 4:53 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 7):
From where does the authority of the railroad policeman come? I knew a guy who was with NS and it seemed he had multi-state jurisdiction along the railroad property. I was under the impression that only federal cops had that kind of pull, as police in our country are generally state post certified peace officers, including state, county and local cops.

Their authority comes from applicable state and federal laws. Technically, most railroad police agencies have interstate authority as their jurisdiction (the railroad company's property) often crosses political boundaries such as state lines. Pretty much all railroad police agencies now require that officers be qualified as peace officers in the state in which they are employed. However, some may be qualified in more than one state due to reciprocity agreements. Also, given that they are engaged in protection of interstate commerce by an interstate corporation, they may pursue suspects across state lines in the performance of their duties. Most states define their pursuit authority in specific statutes. In my former home state of Tennessee, railroad police may pursue suspects on public streets and throughfares if the officer observed the individual committing a crime on railroad property or has reasonable cause to believe that they were engaged in criminal activity and the idividual flees. As official police agencies, railroad police departments are permitted to employ the use of marked patrol cars and unmarked detectives cars as they see fit.

One of the benefits of being a railroad special agent is that you pay into Railroad Retirement and get to draw both it and Social Security in the end. Only real big downside is that you normally work alone in a very dangerous environment. Having worked for a railroad, they're dangerous enough without having to add the criminal element.
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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Tue Apr 12, 2005 10:41 pm

Thanks for the answer AZ, saved me the trouble of having to look it up.Does AMTRAK have its own police, as far as you know?

Quoting AZ" class=quote target=_blank>57AZ (Reply 13):
Having worked for a railroad, they're dangerous enough without having to add the criminal element.

My friend, whom I knew in school and then the Army and then we coincindently bought houses in the same neighborhood, worked for CSX here as a track maintenance specialist and lost a fight with a train one afternoon. He was clearing a switch problem on the eastbound CSX line when a train did not slow or stop despite the red light and the flares he set up. He does not remember this but he climbed the hill to his truck and radioed for help. The amazing part of this was that John had lost his arm and both legs (one AK the other BK). He told me that the last thing he remembered prior to the accident was honking the horn at me while I was walking my dog as he drove in to work an extra shift.

He recovered, due mainly to his wife and support as well as being in terrific shape prior to the accident. But, the fact that a careful guy like him, who got through the military asa paratrooper in the Gulf War without a scratch, got hit by a train show exactly how dangerous it is.
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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:30 am

Yes Amtrak does have its own police department. Look up any good police car photo database and you should find Amtrak listed either under railroad police or federal law enforcement. As for experiancing danger on the rails, I was involved in an incident where a locomotive hit a pedestrian at low speed and a couple where we nearly ran down folks in a tunnel. Whenever we engaged in trackwork on the main line, we'd put down torpedos in both directions for two reasons. The first is that our operating rules required their use to warn trains as to the presence of maintenance of way work/obstructions ahead and secondly, we would hear them detonate if a train ran over them-giving us time to clear up or signal the train to stop. If we needed to be more restrictive, we would put maintenance limits in place which requires that any train seeking to enter the work limits contact the foreperson in charge for permission BEFORE entering the limits.

Personally, my scariest experiances were when the water level in the steam locomotive's sight glass dropped out of sight at the lower limits. Usually all we had to do was open the test cocks to determine the level and then add water once we determined that the crown sheet was still covered. One of our locomotives had a low water alarm and the other did not. Hearing that air whistle start sounding was sure to get your attention! The one thing that we all feared more than anything else with the steam locomotives was a boiler explosion-almost guaranteed instant death for the enginemen and anyone else unfortunate enough to be close by.
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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Wed Apr 13, 2005 7:04 am

Quoting RAMPRAT980 (Reply 12):
In my opinion going to a law enforcement school is nothing more than a waste time of money, unless of course you are looking to possibly becoming a security guard. What they teach you in a police academy is more than you can ever learn some bogus law enforcement school.

And this is why LE in many states is better with better educated cops than NY. Not bashing NY, but...

As an example, Minnesota REQUIRES at least an Associates degree from an approved school. Many departments require a Bachelors Degree. You can learn a LOT during four years of university, past the day to day technical stuff.
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RE: Who In Here Are In Law Enforcement?

Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:04 am

I'm currently a police officer in a large NJ city right outside Manhattan and have been 'on the job' for a year and a half. Maybe it's only because I am still new, but I love this job. It sure beats working indoors in some office looking at the same 4 walls everyday.
I am also Maintenance Technician for Continental Airlines in EWR but currently on a leave. I can't shake the aviation bug so thats why I choose to stay. I used to smash bags for CO prior to MX. Ramprat, I remember you when I worked on the ramp, in fact I may have worked with you on a few flights. I remember someone mentioning that you were from NYPD. Not sure if you just recently retired or not. How did you enjoy your career?


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