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Anti-Bush Video

Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:29 pm

I found this video and I have shared it with a few of my Republican friends who simply all say "no comment."

Watch at your own risk:

http://www.rockandrollbadboy.com/vid/mistaken_300k.wmv
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:33 pm

Why is it anti-bush?

It's just the truth. Can't handle the truth?
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:37 pm

I know it's the truth! That's why I love the video!

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 5:57 am

Great video, thanks for posting. It is the truth.
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:20 am

Wow - is all I can say. I knew of every last one of these details, but when it's edited together and you see the claim vs. the fact right after - it makes a very potent point.

I was for the war going into it, I thought it would protect us because I was told they were a threat. I now feel misled, I feel bad for all the people who have given their life, or limbs, or mental stability for what turned out to be an unjust cause. We made a mess, I believe we have to fix it, but I hope my fellow servicemembers come home safely ASAP.

BTW, I have followed the news closely for the past several years on this issue and many others - everything laid out in this video is absolutely true as far as I can tell.
 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:29 am

Wow, good video  thumbsup 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:32 am

The only thing that drives me nuts on this video is the music. Here is a funny Anti-Bush video :

http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewid...how_videos_jon_stewart_index.jhtml
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:54 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewid...how_videos_jon_stewart_index.jhtml

 rotfl 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:56 am

Great video, thanks!
 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 6:59 am

Some sharp editing to make Bush look even worse. ut no doubt the material is authentic. Pity the left out the long pause Bush delivered after being asked about mistakes from the war. That was the best part.  Smile

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:21 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 6):
The only thing that drives me nuts on this video is the music.

That spoiled it completely for me.
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:47 am

I watched approximately half the video. My comments? Say what you want with creative editing.

The fact remains, the U.S. is still in Iraq, Bush is still in power, Guantanamo is still open, the current policy continues, and we are killing terrorsits in their own backyard.

My, what an impact this little video had. (It had none...of course)

LOL
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:51 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 11):
and we are killing terrorsits in their own backyard

You mean innocent civilians and children, and your own soldiers. Way to go!!!
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:55 am

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 12):
You mean innocent civilians and children, and your own soldiers. Way to go!!!

To be fair, I think there may be a few terrorists among those people they bomb at weddings or on marketplaces. I would have thought they learnt back in Vietnam that air raids don't work against guerillas, but apparently they didn't.
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:56 am

Very funny, Columba. I am so glad I did not vote for this man. Twice. And that video is the reason why. One, bold-ass liar.
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:56 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 11):
The fact remains, the U.S. is still in Iraq, Bush is still in power, Guantanamo is still open, the current policy continues, and we are killing terrorsits in their own backyard.

You make it sound as if these are all positive things, but yes this is the current situation. Well spotted.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 11):
My, what an impact this little video had.

Not much of an impact on me as it is all old news.

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:57 am

Quoting ZOTAN (Reply 8):
Great video, thanks!

I wouldn't call this video great, it is just sad to see this but it is unfortunately the truth.

Patrick

By the way, the latest news from Iraq:

Baghdad restaurant bomb kills 23

[Edited 2005-06-20 00:58:09]
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:03 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 11):
I watched approximately half the video. My comments? Say what you want with creative editing.

Right. Using creative editing you can "prove" anything. A good editor would be able to make Democrats look like moderates!!! Big grin
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:05 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 15):
You make it sound as if these are all positive things, but yes this is the current situation. Well spotted.

The Unites States at war and all that goes with it most certainly not a positive thing. But what is positive is that the United States is doing what it feels is in its best interest. If it is in the best interest of the U.S. it is most certainly in the best interest of ME! Sorry but that's the way I feel.

If you have a magic wand to wave and create peace in the region please do so. Nothing would make me happier. But until that wand is waved you have the current policy like it or not.
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:07 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Reply 17):
A good editor would be able to make Democrats look like moderates!!!

Just so you get what you want to provoke:
"And he'd just as well be able to make Republicans look like they have a brain!" That better?  stirthepot 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:08 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 16):
I wouldn't call this video great, it is just sad to see this but it is unfortunately the truth.

Truth? LOL Yeahhhhhhhhh right.(you have to be kidding) This video is no Apocalypse Now. LOL Perhaps Coppola could film that torture chamber found today. Now that's some truth!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/02/sprj.irq.iraq.torture/

[Edited 2005-06-20 01:12:11]
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 20):
Truth? LOL Yeahhhhhhhhh right.(you have to be kidding)

Nope. I don't kid.

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:11 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 20):
Truth? LOL Yeahhhhhhhhh right.(you have to be kidding)

So, what truth does your world of experience that can't be beat allow you to see?
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 11):
The fact remains, the U.S. is still in Iraq, Bush is still in power, Guantanamo is still open, the current policy continues, and we are killing terrorists in their own backyard.

To me this is truth. Sometimes the truth hurts. But it's the truth. You just have to live with it! And you will live with it. Like it or not.

 

[Edited 2005-06-20 01:18:14]
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:18 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 20):
Perhaps Coppola could film that torture chamber found today. Now that's some truth!

There is/was another one.

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 24):
There is/was another one.

Oh? Torture? LOL I don't think you can compare that to what has happened in ABU AL KHASIB and elsewhere in Iraq under Al-Qaeda or Saddam. If you compare the two there is no dealing with the level of intelligence that can't define and separate the two.

Sorry but you just can't. But nice try just the same.

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 25):
in Iraq under Al-Qaeda

Huh?

Sorry dude but you have absolutely no clue what the hell you are talking about.

LOL

Patrick

Edit:

Iraq under Al-Qaeda is the Iraq nowadays with terror attacks which are killing your fellow countrymen and other innocent civilians. There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq before!

A tip: When you would stop posting such a crap, you would stop making a fool out of yourself.

[Edited 2005-06-20 01:32:17]
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:27 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 24):
There is/was another one.

Argh... those pictures make me SO MAD  mad 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:30 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 23):
You just have to live with it! And you will live with it. Like it or not.

Good to know someone knows what I have to do.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 25):
Oh? Torture? LOL I don't think you can compare that to what has happened in ABU AL KHASIB and elsewhere in Iraq under Al-Qaeda or Saddam.

Ok, we know US soldiers torturing Iraqi detainees is way kewl, but why did you forget calling the Iraqis "scumbags" or something to that effect? You're disappointing us!  vomit 

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 25):
Seeeeee ya!

I hope never.
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:46 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 28):
Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 25):
Oh? Torture? LOL I don't think you can compare that to what has happened in ABU AL KHASIB and elsewhere in Iraq under Al-Qaeda or Saddam.

What's your point? are you saying torture by US troops was less than under Saddam? Does that make it better? It's still torture

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 23):
You just have to live with it! And you will live with it. Like it or not.

Why exactly should we live with it? Should we just bow our heads and shut up? Who made you the master that we should all follow
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:54 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 29):
Who made you the master that we should all follow

That would be his experience of living 36-45 years in this world, according to himself. Anyone younger than him and not sharing his opinion, is just stupid.

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:08 am

They completely distorted the facts. You could make anybody look bad that way.
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:09 am

Quoting Aloges (Reply 30):

mira aquí el contenido de una noche entretenida

Wow! This guy is really, really fu**ed up! It's sooo stupid it's funny
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:26 am

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 32):
It's sooo stupid it's funny

 ziplip  angel  I am however slightly inclined to agree.  Wink
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:49 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 31):
They completely distorted the facts. You could make anybody look bad that way.

No!! You can't distort the facts using words they said themselves. What you can do is edit it all together for dramatic effect, like Cheney saying there was "no doubt" Iraq had WMD's followed by the testimony that they never had WMDs - that gets you effect. It does not, however, make it a lie or distorted - they said what they said and they were wrong, or lied, or distorted facts themselves - we may never know.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 25):
Oh? Torture? LOL I don't think you can compare that to what has happened in ABU AL KHASIB and elsewhere in Iraq under Al-Qaeda or Saddam.

This is a common argument, and it's crap - being better than Saddam does not put us in the right.

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 18):
But what is positive is that the United States is doing what it feels is in its best interest.

I would have agreed with you 2 years or so ago when I thought, because it was what I was told, that Iraq was a threat. Now we know that wasn't true - as to how it got so distorted remains to be seen. But let me ask you this, how is it in the best interest of the US that we are there now? What positive will come from this debacle? What good will we, or anyone for that matter, get out of it? Answer those questions, without spinning, before you say another word about how it's the right thing to do. By the way Clipper, I am curios, have you ever served in the military?
 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:03 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 18):
If it is in the best interest of the U.S. it is most certainly in the best interest of ME! Sorry but that's the way I feel.

Mighty dangerous statement. What if China feels it is in their best interest to wipe the USA off the face of this earth? Would you support their cause?

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:50 am

Quoting KC135R (Reply 34):
No!! You can't distort the facts using words they said themselves. What you can do is edit it all together for dramatic effect, like Cheney saying there was "no doubt" Iraq had WMD's followed by the testimony that they never had WMDs - that gets you effect. It does not, however, make it a lie or distorted - they said what they said and they were wrong, or lied, or distorted facts themselves - we may never know.

Is it possible that the Iranian spy Chalabi fed the U.S. false intelligence to go to war on purpose? Remember he was for a while before the war the only source of info on Sadamm's WMD programs.
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:55 am

While we're on the subject of the truth- Read "Treachery" by Bill Gertz. Completely true. [I LOVE Europe and Traveling there. I am just saying what is stated the the book]. In that video, it talks about how many American and other (my internet is slow) troops were killed in the process for Freedom in Iraq. Many of the missiles and explosives were supplied (there is evidence) by:
OUT OF A PENTAGON REPORT:

Country/Types/Total
U.S.S.R.-RUSSIA/122/12,878,291
CHINA/19/377,885
FRANCE/12/115,005
ITALY/5/99,592
YUGOSLAVIA/13/72,629
BULGARIA/5/40,237
BELGIUM/2/40,131
SOUTH AFRICA/6/36,574
ROMANIA/3/20,372
SWEDEN/3/2,785
EGYPT/1/144
SPAIN/3/119
IRAN/1/38
BRAZIL/1/13

These countries were supplying Saddam and these weapons were-and are- being used to murder collation forces. The above list includes governments, companies, and individuals that supplied totalitarian Iraq. There is much proof the WMDs have been hidden (Russian Technicians helped).
Anyway, if anyone wants more details, I can give many more occurrences of treachery. I know many of you won't like it, but it is the truth.

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:57 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 36):
Is it possible that the Iranian spy Chalabi fed the U.S. false intelligence to go to war on purpose? Remember he was for a while before the war the only source of info on Sadamm's WMD programs.

Yes, quite possible - in fact since he was a major source of information, as you correctly state, that's likely where much of the information came from.

However, that does not excuse the Bush administration for preemptively going to war with Iraq. On the contrary, I would say it speaks volumes about how flawed the Bush Doctrine (namely preemptive strikes) actually is. The point made here is that even the U.S., with all of our intelligence, can make a mistake. That's why it's a bad idea to attack someone with only intelligence as a reason.

The reason for the flawed intelligence does not excuse them from doing what they did, in this case it only makes it worse.
 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 25):



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 26):



Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 11):
watched approximately half the video. My comments? Say what you want with creative editing.



Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 16):
I wouldn't call this video great, it is just sad to see this but it is unfortunately the truth.

It's kind of sad watching people who seemed to initially agree go after eachother  Sad

I thougt the videos should have been made earlier, but hey, I can't watch 'everything' now can I?
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:54 am

Quoting TedTAce (Reply 39):
It's kind of sad watching people who seemed to initially agree go after eachother

Actually I don't have a personal issue with that member. But what I have an issue with is this blind "oh it must be true I hate Bush mantra" and how everyone jumps on the band wagon the moment one says "Bush". I realize it must hurt that you are powerless to do anything about this President and his foreign policy but geez give it a rest already. Let's talk about the migration of moths as they pass thru Asuncion. That's more interesting.  Smile

Now, go ahead an attack like rabid dogs if you feel the urge.

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:04 pm

Quoting KC135R (Reply 38):
On the contrary, I would say it speaks volumes about how flawed the Bush Doctrine (namely preemptive strikes) actually is. The point made here is that even the U.S., with all of our intelligence, can make a mistake. That's why it's a bad idea to attack someone with only intelligence as a reason.

Then would'nt the fault really be the CIA's fault then?
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:34 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 41):
Then would'nt the fault really be the CIA's fault then?

If they screwed up - yes. But I am not so sure it's that simple anymore. The more stories come out about how the CIA was "pressured" into saying what the administration wanted to hear, the more skeptical I become. At first, I thought it was all BS, now I am starting to wonder. How could they have been so wrong? It just doesn't seem likely.

Nonetheless, as President, the buck stops with Bush. He can blame the CIA all day long - but it was his policy that put us in Iraq preemptively. So, no matter what other shortfalls - he is ultimately responsible. It means nothing though, because he already got reelected - all it means now is that his legacy will be negatively impacted, unless something gets a lot better real soon.
 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:46 pm

Dammit...and I missed out on an opportunity to invest in the hand lotion industry....have at it boys, better than porn, eh?
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:02 pm

Quoting Clipperhawaii (Reply 18):
If you have a magic wand to wave and create peace in the region please do so.

You guys messed it up, you find the magic wand...

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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Mon Jun 20, 2005 9:16 pm

Quoting KC135R (Reply 42):
How could they have been so wrong?

Remember that the intelligence services of other countries also had erronious information concerning Sadamm's WMD capabilities.
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:46 am

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 45):
Remember that the intelligence services of other countries also had erronious information concerning Sadamm's WMD capabilities.

I'm aware of that, and also - in retrospect - I remember the UN weapons inspectors saying they had not found evidence of an active weapons program and needed more time to verify one way or the other. My point being, there was conflicting reports - that is why going to war with a country preemptively is, as we have now verified, a slippery slope. What do you do when you were wrong? We can't just say we're sorry and we'll try harder next time, now can we?
 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:54 am

There was no compelling evidence that could have justified an attack. It was obvious then and is still obvious now that the proper course of action would have been the completion of the UN inspections before making decisions about a course of action.

Despite better knowledge starting the attack was a mistake on every level.
 
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:18 am

OK sure Bush is a lying sack of crap ... But he's against gay marriage and that's good enough for me ....
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RE: Anti-Bush Video

Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:46 am

WOW! Excellent video! The editing was just awesome! What a great production! I don't see any videos of when Saddam Hussein tortured the Iraqi people, wonder why?

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