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Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:22 pm

What do you guys think of this?!?

http://www.wcax.com/Global/story.asp?S=4319605&nav=4QcS

The guy got 60 days for raping a 7-year old!

I say that this judge should be impeached and removed bodily from the court, and his recent trials should be declared as mistrials and retried (at least resentenced).
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:30 pm

Unbelievable. It's time this judge had his last few years' history reviewed and if this is a pattern, he should be removed from the bench permanently.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:41 pm

Did you guys even read this paragraph?

But Judge Cashman explained that he is more concerned that Hulett receive sex offender treatment as rehabilitation. But under Department of Corrections classification, Hulett is considered a low-risk for re-offense so he does not qualify for in-prison treatment.So the judge sentenced him to just 60 days in prison and then Hulett must complete sex treatment when he gets out or face a possible life sentence.

Where's your outrage with the state of Vermont for turning sex offenders loose after their sentence without having to go through rehabilitation if considered "low risk." It was the STATE who said a man who committed these heinous crimes was "low risk" to repeat them.

Get your anger straight.

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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:42 pm

Rehab my ass...

This guy knew he was doing wrong and no rehab is going to change his mind. All he is thinking is that he got off easy, so he is going to go do it again.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:44 pm

Impeach the bastard . . . . remove him from the bench . . . . review his sentencing history . . . .

Unbelieveable.

Have the Judge, and all his cases, reviewed by the State Supreme Court . . .
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:47 pm

Quoting United737522 (Reply 3):
Rehab my ass...

So what you're saying is that 10 years in jail is going to reverse the urges of a committed sex offender. Sorry bud, there's a reason why they have to register for a lifetime once released.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 4:56 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Did you guys even read this paragraph?

I read it.

I stand by my opinion the judge needs to have his cases reviewed . . . all of them . . . by the State Supreme Court.

Insomuch as this scumbag must seek help, he is still going to be walking about the streets in the meantime. That does not make me feel good . . . it should certainly scare the shit out of any neighbors in his area - registered sex offender that got off easy.

Perhaps, my friend, the scumbag ought to be jailed until such time as he completes the "retooling" of his obviously warped brain and is declared by someone appropriate to no longer be a threat to 7 year olds. Allowing hiom to walk the streets, prior to or during such therapy presents a danger to everyone (or at least perhaps every 7 yer old girl) that he comes in contact with . . . . and he will come in contact with them . . . . period.

It's a ridiculous sentence . . . the judge needs to be dismissed - immediately.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:01 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 6):
Perhaps, my friend, the scumbag ought to be jailed until such time as he completes the "retooling" of his obviously warped brain and is declared by someone appropriate to no longer be a threat to 7 year olds.

From the article:

Hulett is considered a low-risk for re-offense so he does not qualify for in-prison treatment.

Can't be done in Vermont.

I've never said that he shouldn't serve time, and a long time at that, what I'm pointing out is that the system he was sentenced under is totally screwed, and the judge is probably making a point of it.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:06 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
Hulett is considered a low-risk for re-offense so he does not qualify for in-prison treatment.

I read that as well . . .

Who considers him low risk? Perhaps that individual needs a license examination as well.

If you had a 7 year old would you want him next door? I have an 11 year old . . . I don't want him on the same street.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
I've never said that he shouldn't serve time, and a long time at that, what I'm pointing out is that the system he was sentenced under is totally screwed, and the judge is probably making a point of it.

I'll drink to that!
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:11 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
Who considers him low risk?

The State of Vermont, which tied the hands of the judge.

If the perp doesn't complete the sex offenders rehab, he faces a life sentence. This judge could single-handedly change a very unjust system. Just look at the outrage the sentence is universally engendering.

It's unfair that the guy won't have to pay for his crimes, but this may make it so that those who do in the future aren't nearly as much of a threat to society when they leave incarceration in the future. The judge's ruling could close a loophole, and I'm all for that.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:25 pm

Absolutely a disgrace.

I'm sorry but anyone who rapes an innocent 7 year old deserves to be put to death IMHO.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:33 pm

Quoting United737522 (Reply 3):
Rehab my ass...

I think the guy would be happy to oblige in 2 months time  Wink

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
So what you're saying is that 10 years in jail is going to reverse the urges of a committed sex offender. Sorry bud, there's a reason why they have to register for a lifetime once released.

10 years and then forced rehab in a closed clinic for another 10. By that time he probably can't get it up anymore  Smile

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
If you had a 7 year old would you want him next door? I have an 11 year old . . . I don't want him on the same street.

I wouldn't want him within a hundred miles, and a permanent restraining order barring him from being within a mile of any school, playground, or amusement park.

Quoting Solarix (Reply 10):
I'm sorry but anyone who rapes an innocent 7 year old deserves to be put to death IMHO.

Nah, castration and then locked up in a retirement home as caretaker of the geraniums.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 5:43 pm

Quoting Jwenting (Reply 11):
10 years and then forced rehab in a closed clinic for another 10. By that time he probably can't get it up anymore  

And therein lies my point. The way the law stands right now, no matter how many years this guy is sentenced to, as long as he's incarcerated, he receives no rehab.

I look at sex offenders as being wired that way. Doesn't matter if they're put away for a year or ten years, when they get out they're still going to have the same desires.

What kind of crazy system says that while he's behind bars he can't be treated and get his wiring redone? Do it then. Don't put them in a halfway house for 6 months to undergo treatment after letting the desires fester. Do it the whole 10 years.

Current Vermont state law prohibits that for such "low risk" offenders as some guy who rapes "many, many times over a four-year span starting when [the victim] was seven".

I hope there's a lynching mob not only for the one who declared him "low risk" but also the legislators who wrote the statutes into law.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:00 pm

Quoting Solarix (Reply 10):
I'm sorry but anyone who rapes an innocent 7 year old deserves to be put to death IMHO.

Exactly. If they kill the bastard, the girl can live happily afterwards.

Also, experience shows that installing the death penalty for a certain crime eliminates this sort of crime itself immediately. So if they give him the chair for raping a child, nobody will dare to rape another child again.

Things can be so easy, so just kill the guy and have the problem solved once and for all.

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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:06 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
The State of Vermont, which tied the hands of the judge.

Did I miss that part in the article? Where is says Vermont determined he was not risk enough for rehab while incarcerated??

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
I hope there's a lynching mob not only for the one who declared him "low risk" but also the legislators who wrote the statutes into law.

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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:08 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 14):
Did I miss that part in the article? Where is says Vermont determined he was not risk enough for rehab while incarcerated??

From the article:

But under Department of Corrections classification, Hulett is considered a low-risk for re-offense so he does not qualify for in-prison treatment.

Edit: to amplify quote

[Edited 2006-01-07 10:10:31]
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:20 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
But under Department of Corrections classification, Hulett is considered a low-risk for re-offense so he does not qualify for in-prison treatment.

 checkmark  Got it.

I am curious to see how this will play out? Since the Dept. of Corrections is not a sentient being it therefore means someone had to write the decision or the guidance. Lets see what fruitloop working for the DoC they question about this. Someone's name is on the 'blame line'.

That said: Is it $$$ driven guidance? Is it prison space driven guidance? Or is it some nut job feel good everyone's a nice guy written guidance?
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:23 pm

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 13):
Exactly. If they kill the bastard, the girl can live happily afterwards.

Also, experience shows that installing the death penalty for a certain crime eliminates this sort of crime itself immediately. So if they give him the chair for raping a child, nobody will dare to rape another child again.

Things can be so easy, so just kill the guy and have the problem solved once and for all.

Don't change the subject. This is not about the death penalty. The point is that this person should be kept away from children and and the rest of society for as long as he can ever maintain a hardon, and then add 15 years for safety.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 15):
From the article:

But under Department of Corrections classification, Hulett is considered a low-risk for re-offense so he does not qualify for in-prison treatment.

I would recommend an immediate investigation on all the politicians in Vermont, as well as the judges. They may be involved in a pedophila ring, which would be an explaination why the refuse to make child rape a serious crime.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:28 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 16):
That said: Is it $$$ driven guidance? Is it prison space driven guidance? Or is it some nut job feel good everyone's a nice guy written guidance?

Those are good points, and not explained in the article. I'd be interested to know myself.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:43 pm

Perhaps the childs mother should just snipe the bastard when he gets outta jail - in two months? I mean, c'mon, Vermont isn't too much different than in Alaska where gun laws are concerned . . . surely she can get her hands on a 30.06 somewhere . . . . bang, 1 round, properly placed . . . all over.  duck 
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:14 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Did you guys even read this paragraph?

I did, yes. I also don't give a rat's ass. There IS such a thing as judicial discretion when it comes to sentencing guidelines - which, by the way is the key word here - GUIDELINES.

As I said earlier, this judge should have his last few years' history reviewed and if this is a pattern, he should be removed from the bench permanently.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:40 pm

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 13):
the girl can live happily afterwards.

She probably won't people suffer for life from a single rape, let alone multiple rapes over four years.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
Perhaps the childs mother should just snipe the bastard when he gets outta jail - in two months? I mean, c'mon, Vermont isn't too much different than in Alaska where gun laws are concerned . . . surely she can get her hands on a 30.06 somewhere . . . . bang, 1 round, properly placed . . . all over.

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My mu told me if someone did to me or my brother, that she would kill them the moment they walked out of jail. So did my stepdad. It just makes me feel so good that a person is willing to do ruin their life for me.

Hopefullt this little girl will have some treatment done so she can get on with life. Someone should start a lobby to make this judge resign (they always do it over here and it sometimes works).

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Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:53 pm

Mt reply is not concerned with this case specifically; instead, it relates to all cases.

Punishment should merely be one aim in sentencing. To that, it is essential to add other aims, such as deterrence, rehabilitation and reconciliation. In a number of instances, punishment should not be the main consideration.

It is, in my opinion, very important indeed to treat and cure the catalyst rather than merely deal with the consequence – so, for example, drug rehabilitation courses for those who committed crimes while intoxicated but wouldn’t have committed them if they weren’t.

It is wrong to say ‘the victim’s family would want…’ primarily because they won’t ever forget what has happened. Accordingly, it is very important for them to concentrate on forgiveness, which requires compassion and understanding. Yes, it is a long, tiring process which requires considerable effort, but the result would, all being well, be acceptance and, in time, more happiness for them. If the victim's family has no real chance of forgiveness, then they will forever, or at least for a long time, be understandably angry, bitter and twisted - which is not good for them.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:58 pm

Pearson, I agree that treatment and rehabilitation can be accomplished.

That brings a few questions for you.

Do you think everyone can be rehabilitated?

Do you think everyone - like this sick bastard - can be cured?

Do you think such treatment should occur with the person on the streets or in a confined controlled environment - away from the attraction of committing a crime again?
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:10 pm

if i ever meet the judge ill give him a couple kicks in the balls
then if i meet the accused in this crime i will escort him to prison where i hope he should recieve solitary confinement for 10-15 years

rehab! my ass this guy aint on drugs hes on rapin little girls who dont even know what hes doing how can that be something cured by rehab i believe he should be in prison were he belongs with the rest on societys scum!!

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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:19 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
Do you think everyone can be rehabilitated?

An essential element in the determination of whether rehabilitation is possible is personal acceptance of a problem. If, say, I swore blindly that I was not an alcoholic but I evidently was, then clearly rehabilitation might not work. For those in denial, perhaps it would be best to work on ensuring they realise that they have a problem and that the crime for which they were found guilty linked directly to that problem.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
Do you think everyone - like this sick bastard - can be cured?

I don't know all the facts of the case to make a rational and informed decision. However, one could argue that if this "sick bastard" had a major problem and that it was inbred in him - thus we could not, as you implied, be cured - he might have committed other, similar crimes, like an unemployed drug-taker stealing to ensure a fix. I would like to think that one should not assume that someone cannot be cured.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 23):
Do you think such treatment should occur with the person on the streets or in a confined controlled environment - away from the attraction of committing a crime again?

Assuming personal acceptance of the problem, and considering the need for deterrance and punishment as necessary, a warm, safe, welcoming place - but with the realities of the problem - would be best. If the offender is in a "confined controlled environment," as might well be necessary depending upon the offence and the likelihood of reoffending and so forth, then that would involve the removal of a certain amount of freedom, just as it would "on the streets." So, there is no simple answer; instead, it depends entirely on the circumstances. Furthermore, what might be best for one person might not be suitable for another; accordingly, there needs to be flexibility.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:23 pm

Quoting Jamesbuk (Reply 24):
solitary confinement

Solitary confinement is a form of torture which cannot be tolerated - just like all other forms of torture.

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Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:27 pm

Of course, Pearson, each and every case will be different . . . . I guess my questions are perhaps vague in that light.

In the case of a sex offender - and child abuser - such as this, I think they need to be off the streets . . . rehab or otherwise . . . lets hope the citizens of Vermont agree . . . and perhaps change the law or eliminate this threat or both.

I don't for an instant think everyone can be cured or rehabilitated.

I would submit however, in cases such as this - rather than cases of robbery, etc - the perpetrator needs to be off the streets whether there is a possibility for a cure/rehabilitation - or not.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 9:35 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):
In the case of a sex offender - and child abuser - such as this, I think they need to be off the streets

I don't disagree with you - it's a grave crime. However, that does not mean that he cannot undergo a programme of suitable rehabilitation, if it is deemed that it is necessary, with a view to release at a particular time.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):

I don't for an instant think everyone can be cured or rehabilitated.

Perhaps not, but I think it's unfair to assume that - it is, at the very least, worth trying and investigating, if there is a problem which could be cured.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 27):
I would submit however, in cases such as this - rather than cases of robbery, etc - the perpetrator needs to be off the streets whether there is a possibility for a cure/rehabilitation - or not.

Yes, of course, because it's a serious offence and there's a genuine risk to both the safety of the community and wider society and potentially to himself. There's no denying that. However, this should not, in my opinion, mean that he cannot, if necessary and treatable, undergo a programme of rehabilitation. If he can and he's willing, then it would be better for all concerned.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:26 pm

It's worse than that.

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Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:44 pm

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 29):
sentence carried out at the end of a rope.

People think and act irrationally due to emotion – we all say and do things we would not ordinarily do. Think, say, of how you’d react if you saw your much-loved lover in bed with another man. Your reaction would be based on emotion. The potential consequence of that action would be brash, foolish and, frankly, totally avoidable.

Emotion will lead to blindness, by which I mean an inability to decide or act rationally and sensibly based purely upon the facts of the case. Yes, the emotional consequences must be recognised, appreciated and considered by all – emotion is an important element - but it must then be put aside so that the facts themselves can be as clearly presented and understood as possible in order to reach a just, reasonable and sensible conclusion.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:50 pm

Quoting QFA380 (Reply 21):
She probably won't people suffer for life from a single rape, let alone multiple rapes over four years.

You are joking, right?

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 22):
Punishment should merely be one aim in sentencing. To that, it is essential to add other aims, such as deterrence, rehabilitation and reconciliation. In a number of instances, punishment should not be the main consideration.

You forgot the most important consideration of all - the removal of a person who has proved himself dangerous from society, so that he cannot harm anyone else. That should be the 1st priority. Rehabilitation is the last consideration, to be done IF the person is safely cloistered.

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Solitary confinement is a form of torture which cannot be tolerated - just like all other forms of torture.

Bull.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:17 pm

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
Bull.

You evidently know little, if anything, about criminal justice. I think you're suffering from emotional blindness. That would at least explain your idiotic statements. That or pure ignorance and stupidness.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
You forgot the most important consideration of all - the removal of a person who has proved himself dangerous from society,

I think that that is such an obvious point that it need not be stated.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
Rehabilitation is the last consideration

I disagree. If you have a punishment-orientated society, you achieve very little, society achieves very little, and the victims achieve very little, particularly because there won't as good as opportunity to forgive (read also reconciliation). It would also cost society more.
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Sat Jan 07, 2006 11:20 pm

A pedophile cannot be rehabilitated.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:53 am

Regarding sex offenders, the stranger danger idea is much of a myth. Almost all sex offenders molest/rape etc someone they know and quite often its their own children. Believe it or not, but most of the offenders come from conservative churches, where the children are taught to submit to their parents without questions. Here in Arizona the Mormons, Southern Baptists and Jehovahs Witnesses keep the sex offender officers busy. Also in Arizona sex offenders get LIFETIME PROBATION. Each offender has a probation team which includes an officer and a surveillance officer, who appears at random times to see what he or she is up to. Which means they have to go to treatment each week, the probation department must approve of their employment and housing. They must get a new drivers license annually (Normal Arizona Drivers Licenses are good until age 65). In short if they want to take a crap they have to get permission. No movies, no eating out etc without permission. The number that reoffend is very small. One other point sex offenders are not just males.
 
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Mon Jan 09, 2006 7:37 am

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 26):
Solitary confinement is a form of torture which cannot be tolerated - just like all other forms of torture.

Real torture would be to NOT put him in solitary. Cho Mo's as they are called get "smashed", harassed and F'D up over and over. They tend to put most sex offenders in together in separate pods or blocks though.
I don't believe any prisons put Cho Mo's in with the general population. It would, however, be Constitutionally illegal to do this.

I believe that the most important law and/or legislation in US history was the drafting of the Constitution and that to "torture" would certainly fall under the realm of "cruel and unusual punishment." I am sure that some in here who assiduously recite certain portions of the Constitution will conveniently forget the 8th amendment for their own purposes.

I think that rehabilitation is the ultimate goal that we as a society should hope for from sex offenders. However, it is a disease that is very difficult to preemptively find and it is even more difficult to know for sure when they are, in fact, rehabilitated.

To me the most startling fact is that
57% of child molesters were molested themselves as children.  Sad
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So if more than half of child molesters were victims as children, then perhaps it is largely a mental disorder that is passed on from perpetrator to victim. Of course most sexual survivors do no perpetuate these crimes, but it is disconcerting for me to contemplate victims growing into this horrific possibility. I don't know what the answer to this problem is, but I do know that if I had a child who was abused by someone, I would make sure that he or she would have every means of support and counseling possible to assist in battling any demons or troubles that they might have.

May god help them all.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting AirCop (Reply 34):
Here in Arizona the Mormons, Southern Baptists and Jehovahs Witnesses keep the sex offender officers busy. Also in Arizona sex offenders get LIFETIME PROBATION. Each offender has a probation team which includes an officer and a surveillance officer, who appears at random times to see what he or she is up to.

That is true. However, there is always a percentage that will attempt to get around their conditions of probation. We get a number every week that have either willfully failed to report to authorities when released from prison and a number who willfully fail to report changes of address. One recent one that springs to memory attempted to obtain a PO Box as a second address without reporting it to their PO.

Quoting AirCop (Reply 34):
They must get a new drivers license annually (Normal Arizona Drivers Licenses are good until age 65). In short if they want to take a crap they have to get permission. No movies, no eating out etc without permission.

The Driver's License point is not correct. Their DL is valid same as yours or mine. What they are required to obtain annually is a valid State Identification Card. Also, some Arizona Driver's Licenses are not good until 65-mine isn't and it was issued only a few years ago. Reason is that I am a licensed Commercial Driver and federal law sets limits on the period that a CDL may be valid for. Also, with new changes in Homeland Security Arizona will probably be forced to change its DL law and require drivers to obtain new licenses every five years or so. As for the restrictions on convicted sex offenders, they are generally barred from going to playgrounds, schools or other locations that minors frequent without prior written consent from their PO. They may not reside in the same residence as a minor, nor date anyone who is the parent of a minor without written permission from their PO. Also, if their work situation requires, they must report theur conviction to their employer. Unless they're on a curfew, they can go out just like you and I-only they can't go someplace where minors could be expected to be present. I can think of a number of restaurants where one could enjoy a meal within the scope of the probation conditions.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:25 am

Quoting Cfalk (Thread starter):
What do you guys think of this?!?

Although I think that rehabilitation is important and that the judge may have a point about the usefulness of punishment in some cases, someone who commits a crime like that needs to be punished, period.

In my opinion, 60 days in jail is egregiously too little punishment for this kind of an offense. I agree with the prosecutors who, in the article, said that something like 7 or 8 years in jail would be an absolute MINIMUM appropriate punishment. Even that seems pretty light, but it is a hell of a lot better than 60 days!

Rape is not a victimless crime in any sense, and even if the rules regarding sentencing and treatment are screwed up (which they obviously are in this case), I have to say that 60 days in jail is such a ridiculously light punishment for this kind of crime that the need for more punishment outweighs the need for the offender to receive immediate treatment.

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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:52 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 2):
Did you guys even read this paragraph?

But Judge Cashman explained that he is more concerned that Hulett receive sex offender treatment as rehabilitation. But under Department of Corrections classification, Hulett is considered a low-risk for re-offense so he does not qualify for in-prison treatment.So the judge sentenced him to just 60 days in prison and then Hulett must complete sex treatment when he gets out or face a possible life sentence.

Where's your outrage with the state of Vermont for turning sex offenders loose after their sentence without having to go through rehabilitation if considered "low risk." It was the STATE who said a man who committed these heinous crimes was "low risk" to repeat them.

Get your anger straight.

That the judge sentenced this cretin to 60 days knowing that Vermont's system for dealing with sex offenders is flawed is even more outrageous.

I don't care if he is rehabilitated - and let's all be honest, he won't be - the sentence is a farce. Pure and simple.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 7):
I've never said that he shouldn't serve time, and a long time at that, what I'm pointing out is that the system he was sentenced under is totally screwed, and the judge is probably making a point of it.

Then he should resign from the bench, run for office as a state legislator, and change the law. He is a disgrace to the bench.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
I look at sex offenders as being wired that way. Doesn't matter if they're put away for a year or ten years, when they get out they're still going to have the same desires.

A perfect rationale for life in prison or the death penalty.

Quoting Cfalk (Reply 31):
You forgot the most important consideration of all - the removal of a person who has proved himself dangerous from society, so that he cannot harm anyone else. That should be the 1st priority. Rehabilitation is the last consideration, to be done IF the person is safely cloistered.

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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:48 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 5):
Sorry bud, there's a reason why they have to register for a lifetime once released.

Care to guess how many "lifetime" registered sex offenders from LA are on the loose and now "unregistered" here in Houston?

Quoting ZakHH (Reply 13):
Exactly. If they kill the bastard, the girl can live happily afterwards.

Maybe not that girl, but a bunch of other little girls won't have to worry.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):
Perhaps the childs mother should just snipe the bastard when he gets outta jail -

Nah, too obvious. He just needs to have a road accident or trip and fall in front of a bus.

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 32):
If you have a punishment-orientated society, you achieve very little, society achieves very little, and the victims achieve very little,

Society did nothing wrong, the victim did nothing wrong. They have nothing to atone for. Punishment is not about reconciliation, it is about atonement for a wrong comitted. The problem with a sex offender is that they don't ever see it as a wrong.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:30 pm

A little update: http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/a...60111/NEWS01/601110315/1009&theme=

State Republicans are trying to pass a resolution deamnding that Judge Cashman resign. But the democrats solidly control the House, and so far only one democrat has agreed to sign the petition. Only ONE!!!

Do mainstream democrats really want to become known as the party that befriends child molestors? "Vote for us, we'll help you get off - in more ways than one!"

I know most democrats are not as kooky as this. But I've been saying this for years - the democratic party is being hijacked by extremists, and the mainstream has to speak up before it makes the democratic party as irrelevant as the Communist Party of America.
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:49 am

Cfalk- This shouldn't be a partisan issue, that's what's scary.

That judge ought to be ashamed of himself, the criminal ought to be put away, and the law stiffened to be punitive.
 
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RE: Judge No Longer Believes In Jail

Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:17 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 41):
Cfalk- This shouldn't be a partisan issue, that's what's scary.

That is what I find mystifying as well. Democrats have kids too, right?
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