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GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:43 am

GM rolls out Chevrolet Camaro concept


Muscular-looking car modeled after 1969 classic.
January 9, 2006; Posted: 3:51 p.m. EST (2051 GMT)

DETROIT (CNNMoney.com) - People thought American two-door performance cars were dead. The Chevrolet Camaro and the Pontiac Firebird went out of production in 2003. That left just the Mustang hanging on.

It's not hanging on anymore. With its 2005 redesign, the Mustang has taken off, selling like it did in 1964 when it was first introduced . . .

More here: http://www.cnn.com/2006/AUTOS/funonw.../detroit_camaro_concept/index.html


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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:48 am

So THAT'S GM's new stragegy? Completely discontinue car lines, redesign them to the point that the new design is a disgrace to the old, then re-introduce new design as the old?

Maybe they'll discontinue the Silverado line and it'll come back looking like the oscar meyer wiener.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:50 am

And here are some comparisons between the Camaro and the Challenger:






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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:51 am

I love it!!!

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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:53 am

I saw it today at the NAIAS. It looks great.



And who said there's nothing to do in Detroit..

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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:53 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
So THAT'S GM's new stragegy? Completely discontinue car lines, redesign them to the point that the new design is a disgrace to the old, then re-introduce new design as the old?

Maybe they'll discontinue the Silverado line and it'll come back looking like the oscar meyer wiener.

Well you've seen the Impalas and Monte Carlos of today. So this reincarnation should be no surprise. They do have a habit of using big car names from the past on less-important cars today.

At least its a better effort than the recently-failed Thunderbird.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 5):
At least its a better effort than the recently-failed Thunderbird.

The problem with the T-bird was not the car itself, cause it is a great ride!

The issue is/was Ford's inability to do a limited run.

This will most likely be the case with the new Chevy and Dodge Charger. Unless they can build a limited number of these specialty cars at a profit, there is no point in bringing them to market.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:59 am

what's with the Fords/GMs nowadays having such ugly fronts?

...anyways, thisis basically a Mustang with a GM symbol.  thumbsdown 
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:20 am

Concept Car?...

Thank god !!
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:21 am

Coming soon!









To the side of a road, broken down, near you.  Smile



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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:23 am

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 1):
Maybe they'll discontinue the Silverado line and it'll come back looking like the oscar meyer wiener.

Hey, we saw an Oscar Mayer Wienermobile last weekend and it looked pretty cool.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:32 am

I think it will do real well.

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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:55 am

Someone mentioned to me that the camaro was supposed to be a continution of the discontinued '00? model. Is this still true, or is this what im gonna see on the highway, cuz if it is, i'll run it off the road.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:02 am

Cars like the concept Challanger and Camaro and the eventual return to production is not so much to make money on those cars themselves, but to get the attention of the guy or gal looking for a minivan or regular car to come into the showroom. They are to get attention, to bring an aura and to acknolege that some people can still drive a preformance coupe car. I would also assume these cars will handle a LOT better than there later generation versions.
 
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:16 am

Quoting Diamond (Reply 2):
And here are some comparisons between the Camaro and the Challenger:

I'll take the challenger, but that Camaro  yuck 
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:22 am

Yes, the challanger actually looks like a challanger, much more aggressive, but with a refined/modern twist. The camaro just looks like a tampon with alloy wheels.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:56 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 7):
what's with the Fords/GMs nowadays having such ugly fronts?

It's not just GM and Ford. Have you looked at anything Mopar lately? Hideous.

Quoting Piercey (Reply 14):
I'll take the challenger, but that Camaro

As a huge fan of Camaro's I can say without hesitation.....leave it as a concept if this is what it will look like. It looked nicer two years ago. Might as well by a Mustang  yuck  even though that will never happen.
 
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:09 am

I don't understand why 'Detroit' can't come up with anything new . They have to keep rehashing the same old glory-days cars.You don't see the Japanese doing that!
No thanks to the new Camaro,I'll keep my 2000 Z28,that and it's paid for!
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 10:17 am

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 17):
You don't see the Japanese doing that!

With the exception of maybe the 240/280/300Z, and the RX, Japenese cars really sucked ass before the early 80's.

Quoting PIA777 (Reply 11):
I think it will do real well.

As long as GM markets it. One of the reasons why the last gen failed was lack of marketing, and the attitudes of assholes like this:

Quoting Cadet57 (Reply 12):
i'll run it off the road.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:10 am

The GM design staff has been on "Snooze Control" too long. With maybe the exception of the SSR nothing really design worthy has come out of Chevrolet in 5 or more years.
So after thousands of afternoon snoozes, sleepless nights and hundreds of nightmares, sales falling like a lead balloon and the best that comes out of Chevrolet is a rehashed Camero.
Even GM tried this with the no show, no go GTO, a sleepy design with no horsepower.
I am thinking some massive doses of electroshock therapy is needed in the design department at all GM branches.

I digress.
 
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:52 am

Gag.


Seriously, that sucks
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:02 pm

Quoting Okie (Reply 19):
The GM design staff has been on "Snooze Control" too long. With maybe the exception of the SSR nothing really design worthy has come out of Chevrolet in 5 or more years.

I like the Cobalt, so 2/30

Quoting Okie (Reply 19):
Even GM tried this with the no show, no go GTO, a sleepy design with no horsepower.

ugh, don't get me started.......
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:16 pm

Quoting Diamond (Reply 5):
Well you've seen the Impalas and Monte Carlos of today. So this reincarnation should be no surprise. They do have a habit of using big car names from the past on less-important cars today.

The Impala and Monte Carlo were discontinued when? Like 20 years before the re-introduction? This thing's been gone for what, 2? Weak.

Quoting DL021 (Reply 10):

Hey, we saw an Oscar Mayer Wienermobile last weekend and it looked pretty cool.

Looked cool but I'll bet gas mileage on a giant hot dog isn't pretty.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:48 pm

I like it. I'm not sure if I'm gonna jump out and sell my 98 Z28 and get one but I think its a good start.

Heres a better pic:



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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:08 pm

It still looks like everything else coming out right now.

Retro ceases being cool if EVERYONE does it. Also, it proves beyond any doubt they are out of new ideas.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:10 pm

We're ecstatic!

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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:11 pm

It resembles a Ford Mustang.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:18 pm

IMO, It looks a Hell of a lot better than the new Stang. The 07 Camaro looks mure muscular than the new Stang and I cant wait til it hits the streets.

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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:12 pm

Delta767...your pic (reply 23) is of the second-place design in favor with product planning. The silver show car (reply 2) is closer to the favored styling, BUT, that will depend a lot on how weak knees get down at the tubes when they have to start writing out checks. Speaking of writing out checks, GM may not have the money to even launch a new Camaro if things keep spiraling downward. Regards..jack
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:27 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 6):
The problem with the T-bird was not the car itself, cause it is a great ride!

Actually, the major problem was with Ford's not going far enough with the car. I mean, they are beautiful and well appointed, but they were underpowered dogs (Stock Honda Civics should not be able to outrun a T-Bird) with no manual transmission option and a price tag for which you could get a much, much better car (like a BMW M Roadster).
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:31 pm

I wonder how Ford feels about this...
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:34 pm

DIG DEAL!!!
This is just GM grandstanding!

GM will most likely introduce new minivans and more derivatives to the current Suburban/Tahoe/Escalade/Denali/H2 garbage.


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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:34 pm

Quoting BA (Reply 30):
I wonder how Ford feels about this...

Probably like GM is basically copying their throwback Rustang idea.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:48 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Probably like GM is basically copying their throwback Rustang idea.

Whoa, pull your head out of your @$$!

The Ford Mustang STILL lives up to it's reputation as a performance pony car 40+ years later.
The GM concept is just hype.

Give me a Ford Mustang over all the B.S. from GM, Japan, South Korea, Daimler/Chrysler or Germany ANYDAY!

[Edited 2006-01-10 08:49:46]
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:52 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 33):
Whoa, pull your head out of your @$$!

The Ford Mustang STILL lives up to it's reputation as a performance pony car 40+ years later.
The GM concept is just hype.

Give me a Ford Mustang over

 rotfl  Larry, if you will notice, I said they would be ripping off the Rustang. I dislike Ford, Chevy and Chrysler post-1972 equally.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:59 pm

N112OA:
Shame.  Sad

Ford is miles ahead of GM and D/C is catching up.

Go test drive a rear-drive V8 Ford and get back to me.
It's too bad that GM is the USA's largest automaker. When GM spews garbage, people think the entire American industry spews out garbage.


Check out the last Thunderbird, as well as the Mustang GT, Grand Marquis, Crown Victoria, Town Car and compare it to the crap from GM, Germany and Japan.

Ford still makes the best cars in the world.  Cool
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:10 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Go test drive a rear-drive V8 Ford and get back to me.

I have driven lots of RWD Fords. I have also seen lots of broken down RWD Fords with transmission problems

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
When GM spews garbage, people think the entire American industry spews out garbage.

Having been around cars my whole life, I can reasonably state that while GM does indeed make the worst cars, Ford is not far behind

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Check out the last Thunderbird

Again, that thing fell WAY short of where it should have been.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Grand Marquis, Crown Victoria, Town Car and compare it to the crap from GM, Germany and Japan.



Quoting Superfly (Reply 35):
Ford still makes the best cars in the world.

Now that just makes me giggle.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:35 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Again, that thing fell WAY short of where it should have been.

...and so did the CV880.
Was the CV 880 an inferior aircraft?
Pilots the have flown them nay have a different opinion than there bean-counter bosses.
Who's side are you on N110OA?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
I have driven lots of RWD Fords. I have also seen lots of broken down RWD Fords with transmission problems

You liar!
The Taurus/Sable is front-drive
There arn't any rear-drive Ford importaed to France and you know it.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Ford still makes the best cars in the world.

Now that just makes me giggle.

Giggle all you want but drivers and mechanics know that Ford makes the best cars in the world.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:05 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 37):
Giggle all you want but drivers and mechanics know that Ford makes the best cars in the world.

Being a driver and knowing my way around the insides of a car, they definately are not.

Quoting Superfly (Reply 37):
Who's side are you on N110OA?

Apparently the enemy  

Quoting Superfly (Reply 37):
There arn't any rear-drive Ford importaed to France and you know it.

Larry, you know full well where I am from.

You remind me of my close friend who absolutely loves Pintos

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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:24 pm

Me pardonner ! Je suis juste allant par votre profil. Il déclare que vous résidez en France. J'aime les voitures françaises, voitures même mieux qu'Allemand et italiennes mais laisse ne nous trompe pas dans à la pensée qu'ils sont mieux qu'Américain. Ford fait la meilleure période de voitures. Il y a une raison pourquoi vous ne voyez plus GM de même que, l'allemand Chrysler, français, Britanniques, Japonais, les voitures sud-coréens ou russes dans le secteur tertiaire d'urgence ici dans l'USA. Ma 39 année vieille Voiture de Ville de Lincoln (Ford) a le moteur original, la transmission et toutes autres fonctions vitales avec 200.000 + les miles dessus et parties sont très bon marché et faciles à remplacer si nécessaire.

Vous aboyez en haut le mauvais arbre si vous essayez de cogner Fords.

Aussi, ma première voiture était un Ford Pinto et c'était une grande voiture.








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Pardon me!
I am just going by your profile. It states that you reside in France.
I love French cars, even better than German and Italian cars but lets not fool ourselves in to thinking that they are better than American.
Ford makes the best cars period.
There is a reason why you don’t see anymore GM as well as, German/Chrysler, French, British, Japanese, South Korean or Russian cars in the emergency/service sector here in the USA.
My 39 year old Lincoln Town Car (Ford) has the original engine, transmission and all other vital functions with 200,000+ miles on it and parts are very cheap and easy to replace if needed.

You are barking up the wrong tree if you are trying to knock Fords.

Also, my first car was a Ford Pinto and it was a great car.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:24 pm

Quoting Superfly (Reply 39):
Ma 39 année vieille Voiture de Ville de Lincoln



Quoting Superfly (Reply 39):
My 39 year old Lincoln Town Car

'Fly, if you still own the same Lincoln since I've known you; I believe you mean 29 year old Lincoln Town Car, unless you recently purchased a '67 model.

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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
Again, that thing fell WAY short of where it should have been.

Well, the latest T-Bird was overpriced for starters....it didnt' offer value for perceived buyers. It goes back to the notion that many American brands have a hard time tagging a premium price on something that isn't premium. The TBird was OK, but they didn't market it, sell it, offer incentives, let it die on the vine.

Now go look at all the other convertibles around and tell me that they couldn't have siphoned off some of those sales...

Quoting Superfly (Reply 37):
Giggle all you want but drivers and mechanics know that Ford makes the best cars in the world.

 rotfl 
Go Google "Ford Motors" and "recall" and tell me that. You're good for a laugh in the morning though, Supe!

Oh, and let's not forget their stonewalling on the cruise control switch...you know, the spontaneous fires and such that they finally owned up to? Ah, yeah, what a great way to build brand loyalty.

And Ford's notorious electrical problems in their SUV line...wonderful.

Supe- the quality of most brands has improved light years over the long run, no question. But to say Ford makes the best vehicles is just insane.
 
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:41 pm

Quoting Okie (Reply 19):
The GM design staff has been on "Snooze Control" too long. With maybe the exception of the SSR nothing really design worthy has come out of Chevrolet in 5 or more years.
So after thousands of afternoon snoozes, sleepless nights and hundreds of nightmares, sales falling like a lead balloon and the best that comes out of Chevrolet is a rehashed Camero.
Even GM tried this with the no show, no go GTO, a sleepy design with no horsepower.
I am thinking some massive doses of electroshock therapy is needed in the design department at all GM branches.

I digress.

You don't digress. Anyone interested in the welfare of a helluva lot of their fellow Americans can't fail to be interested in this subject. If you figure that the design cycle of an automobile is now about 18 months (I think....there's a helluva good book about the Taurus that goes into the subject of the design cycle and how it was reduced from 3-4 years to 18 months), you will be seeing the answers that the General and his henchmen Ford and Chrysler come up with in about a year. Chrysler has benefitted from the Daimler Benz connection, and in fact Daimler Benz has learned quite a bit from its American cousin.

Adversity tends to shake things up and bring forward innovators and leaders. There's a good chance that this is going to happen. Look-it took the eighties to convince Detroit that there was something to the notion of quality.

Another aspect of it is public perception, and that is partly a great marketing job by Japan and Germany. Does anyone think that French or Italian consumer grade cars are any good? No. Does anyone here in the states know anything about them? No. It's perception. And as my friend John the used car salesman never fails to point out, perception is the same thing as reality.

Anyone who thinks that the General cannot reinvent himself doesn't remember Lee Iacocca reinventing the late unlamented Falcon into the Mustang and then later hauling Chrysler back from the brink of implosion.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:24 am

Dougloid...anybody that tells you that the design cycle of an automobile is 18 months is blowing PR smoke.

The last major project I worked on up to buck/mockup stage was the Pontiac Solstice and I've been retired from GM 3 years this coming April. I worked on the project for 14 months prior to getting out the door before it hit me in the ass. Now, with absolute focus and utilizing all the tools available without committee interference, you MIGHT be able to get a new, justified prototype that addresses (most) production intent rolling in 30 to 36 months, but surely not 18. I've seen it take 18 months to design, approve and get into production a friggin' bodyside tape stripe at GM  Smile.

A qualification...the Taurus is not a good example because the most recent production Taurus was much a warmed-over, carry-over car. Regards...jack
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:33 am

Maybe a nice car, but to me it looks like a last desperate move before filing chapter 11. The car might sell, but it will not be a big moneymaker for GM.
 
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Wed Jan 11, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting Cptkrell (Reply 43):
Dougloid...anybody that tells you that the design cycle of an automobile is 18 months is blowing PR smoke.

The last major project I worked on up to buck/mockup stage was the Pontiac Solstice and I've been retired from GM 3 years this coming April. I worked on the project for 14 months prior to getting out the door before it hit me in the ass. Now, with absolute focus and utilizing all the tools available without committee interference, you MIGHT be able to get a new, justified prototype that addresses (most) production intent rolling in 30 to 36 months, but surely not 18. I've seen it take 18 months to design, approve and get into production a friggin' bodyside tape stripe at GM .

A qualification...the Taurus is not a good example because the most recent production Taurus was much a warmed-over, carry-over car. Regards...jack

Fair enough. I'm gullible I guess. Nonetheless the General will have to do better to survive.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:14 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 41):
Go Google "Ford Motors" and "recall" and tell me that. You're good for a laugh in the morning though, Supe!

Dont forget to google:
"BMW" Recall
"GM" Recall
"Mercedes" Recall
"Chrysler Recall
"Honda" Recall
"Porsche" Recall
Etc.......................................

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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:23 am

Once again half these posts continually prove that American's have no idea about cars, design and performance. No wonder Toyota is the number one brand in the USA. How pathetic. Nice way to further the stereotypes about American's guys!

Anyone who disses the GTO as no show/no go obviously hasn't driven one, and its an incredible insult to the designers at Holden who had to "Americanise" a great design, (a car designed in secret and put together for next to nothing cost-wise) to the point of making it hideously ugly - or brash if you will. Ugh!

To be blunt, the reason why GM is getting killed in the market is four-fold:

*Over reliance on SUV's to generate profit.
*Too many brands under the GM umbrella - kill off Pontiac, Saturn and Buick and do it quick. The only half meaningful brands that mean anything are Chevrolet and Cadillac.
*Clueless GM management.
*Poorly made, badly built, horribly styled cars. Having driven some of GM's American product, and then some of their European product, i'll take the Euro product every time. Hell I even OWN one. Every American made car i've driven has been poorly built, massive panel gaps, low quality plastics, felt like it wanted to fall over in corners and gave the impression like it had been screwed together by a bunch of blind mechanics. Whats even more galling is that GM has partially admitted it CAN'T build good small cars with good value, so it rebadges its Korean owned imports!
Lets put it this way. Go drive a Chevrolet Cobalt. Then go drive a Vauxhall/Opel/Holden Astra. You'll take the Astra every time.

If you want to see what GOOD cars GM has in its arsenal, and the ones you poor bastards don't get (and you should feel VERY ripped off once you see these) go to
http://www.vauxhall.co.uk (good for the small to medium stuff)
and http://www.holden.com.au (for the large stuff).

The Japanese learned quickly how to get market share by building solid reliable and well assembled product, and now even Hyundai is doing it too. No wonder GM is going down the tubes...

End rant.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:56 am

Quoting Superfly (Reply 39):
J'aime les voitures françaises

Ok, this confirms it, you like crappy cars  Silly (well, Renault's anyway, Peugeots are ok)

Quoting Superfly (Reply 39):
Ma 39 année vieille Voiture de Ville de Lincoln (Ford) a le moteur original, la transmission et toutes autres fonctions vitales avec 200.000 + les miles dessus et parties sont très bon marché et faciles à remplacer si nécessaire.

Oh, of course. Like I said, pre-1972, the US made great, albiet inefficient cars. It is since then that the quality has tanked.
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RE: GM Rolls Out Chevrolet Camaro Concept

Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:18 am

Quoting FOMEA (Reply 46):
Dont forget to google:
"BMW" Recall
"GM" Recall
"Mercedes" Recall
"Chrysler Recall
"Honda" Recall
"Porsche" Recall
Etc.......................................

Regards
F-OMEA.

No question all marques have recalls, but in terms of frequency, magnitude and cause, I think Ford might top them all except maybe GM.

Quoting Cyclonic (Reply 47):
Anyone who disses the GTO as no show/no go obviously hasn't driven one, and its an incredible insult to the designers at Holden who had to "Americanise" a great design, (a car designed in secret and put together for next to nothing cost-wise) to the point of making it hideously ugly - or brash if you will. Ugh!

The new GTO is ugly. Single exhaust. If there SHOULD have been a muscle car in the retro style of the new Mustang or this Camaro concept, it should have been the Goat. Another steeee-rike for GM.

Quoting Cyclonic (Reply 47):
The Japanese learned quickly how to get market share by building solid reliable and well assembled product, and now even Hyundai is doing it too. No wonder GM is going down the tubes...

Three other things to add to your list of why GM is getting slaughtered:

1) Supplier relationships and inventory control. They're still in the Dark Ages.

2) Union relationships. Note: I'm not blaming unions per se, but the relationships and the long-standing nature of the GM beast. Their pension obligations alone may stifle them.

3) I think this last one is seldom mentioned, but needs attention....their dealer network. Their very structure puts too much money in the pockets of dealers, and service and quality suffer. GM needs to manage their dealer networks far more stingently than they do. That "Certified" GM stuff may make for good PR, but from a substance standpoint, the black holes that are the dealers still haven't figured it out. This disparity is even more clear when you look at Lexus and Infiniti, for example.

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