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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:18 am

Regardless of what any reliability says, I wouldn't want to own a car that is so boring to drive as a Lexus. It's obvious they aren't a performance orientated brand when they don't even offer their upper level sport sedan with a manual transmission (IS350).

..And don't even mention free maintnance, BMW is one of the only luxury brands that has a comprehensive plan that covers everything in the 4year/50,000 miles, including even brakes.
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:20 am

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 49):
On balance I'd much rather spend the money on that than a Lexus, which to me isn't worth the extra. Unfortunately the Lexus does not have a quality image in Europe, just one of being an upmarket Toyota with a gold plated badge.

yeah exactly!
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:47 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 48):
You know that Mercedes is better than lexus now you just dont want to admit it.

Based on what?? Your opinion? Every objective fact I've put out says you are wrong...Where are your facts? Links to the
numbers please.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 48):
And all of these things were offered in the previous S-Class, way before any lexus car had any of this.

Umm you need to check your facts.

Who has the only Luxury Hybrids= Lexus
Who has the only Eight Speed Transmission on the Market: Lexus
DVD Based Navigation with Voice Command Ability: Lexus had this in 2001. The S500 had a CD based system.
Self Parking Feature: NOT Offered by Mercedes
Bluetooth Technology: NOT offered by Mercedes.
A Hard Drive to store 4,000 Songs: NOT offered by Mercedes
19 Speaker 7.1 Stereo System: NOT offered by Mercedes

The S Class didn't even have the CD Changer in front until now....Lexus has had one since 1995..Didn't have LED Tailamps either..Lexus had this in 2003

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 48):
Mercedes are way safer than lexus cars.. sorry to disappoint you

Fact?? Based on what exactly??? The Lexus equals the Mercedes in every US Government crash tests..Has all those features you mention, and even has Knee Airbags.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 48):
I am willing to bet that it is full of rust under the hood. We haven't had to do much work on the mercedes either. the car has driven over 200.000 kilometers and still looks brand new. Incredible indeed!

My car was driven in Boston winters and still doesn't have a speck of rust on it. Clearly this comment shows how full of crap you are. Have you even seen my car? Do you even know what a LS400 looks like? All the electronics work perfectly as well.

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 50):
And don't even mention free maintnance, BMW is one of the only luxury brands that has a comprehensive plan that covers everything in the 4year/50,000 miles, including even brakes.

Good point. BMW subsdizes their Leases in the USA too. Definitely a better deal on the whole.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 48):
Actually, the only one that is insecure here would be you. I am not going as low as you calling you things just to prove my point. I don't need to because we both know that Mercedes just is better. That's the way it is. Tough luck.

Um not really. I have the ability to buy any of these cars you've just mentioned. Nothing to be insecure about. You're the only who is making baseless disparaging comments about a car you know nothing about.

Your posts clearly show you know nothing about the Auto industry. You don't even know the features of the S Class! You claim the S Class has a Hybrid powertrain..That's news to me considering Toyota invented the technology. You also claim the new S Class has 14 airbags. I have the Mercedes Catelogue for this car and they say Eight.

I've demostrated repeatedly the superiority of Lexus in all Objective realms and shown how inaccurate your posts are.
All you can say is: "Mercedes is better than lexus" you fail to demonstrate this using fact.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 49):
It certainly isn't doing buiness in the top end, just the smaller 300 series models and for lease cars used by motorway warriors. The Avensis is a much nicer all-round package and dealers tend to be great.

When I studied in London last year, I saw scores of LS430's , but you're right their presence isn't that large. The Avensis is a great car, something I wish Toyota would bring to the USA. Have you seen the Avensis diesel?

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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:59 am

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 52):
Based on what?? Your opinion? Every objective fact I've put out says you are wrong...Where are your facts? Links to the
numbers please.

I have posted a lot of links, so besides my opinion, I have a lot of facts to back it up with. you just cant handle it.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 52):
Umm you need to check your facts.

Who has the only Luxury Hybrids= Lexus
Who has the only Eight Speed Transmission on the Market: Lexus
DVD Based Navigation with Voice Command Ability: Lexus had this in 2001. The S500 had a CD based system.
Self Parking Feature: NOT Offered by Mercedes
Bluetooth Technology: NOT offered by Mercedes.
A Hard Drive to store 4,000 Songs: NOT offered by Mercedes
19 Speaker 7.1 Stereo System: NOT offered by Mercedes

The S Class didn't even have the CD Changer in front until now....Lexus has had one since 1995..Didn't have LED Tailamps either..Lexus had this in 2003

First of all: LED lamps dont belong on these kind of cars. I hate them. Mercedes is working together with apple so you can connect your ipod with the controls on the steering wheel. That gives you access to 15.000 songs if you have that ipod
If you have a car like a mercedes, I am sure you are able to get bluetooth installed for a very little amount of money. Not that it matters because there are way better solutions out there. Self parking feature is only for people who dont know the size of their own car.. just shows that it is an amateur who owns the car. Also, Mercedes made the worlds most powerful Diesel engine for the S-class. And that was for the previous model aswell.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 52):
Fact?? Based on what exactly??? The Lexus equals the Mercedes in every US Government crash tests..Has all those features you mention, and even has Knee Airbags.

Um, the facts are in the links I just posted Mercedes have always had the safest cars. Its not news to anyone.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 52):
My car was driven in Boston winters and still doesn't have a speck of rust on it. Clearly this comment shows how full of crap you are. Have you even seen my car? Do you even know what a LS400 looks like? All the electronics work perfectly as well.

Well that is good for you. I am just glad that I don't own a lexus. I am perfectly satisfied with my volvo from 1997

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 52):
Um not really. I have the ability to buy any of these cars you've just mentioned. Nothing to be insecure about. You're the only who is making baseless disparaging comments about a car you know nothing about.

Your posts clearly show you know nothing about the Auto industry. You don't even know the features of the S Class! You claim the S Class has a Hybrid powertrain..That's news to me considering Toyota invented the technology. You also claim the new S Class has 14 airbags. I have the Mercedes Catelogue for this car and they say Eight.

I've demostrated repeatedly the superiority of Lexus in all Objective realms and shown how inaccurate your posts are.
All you can say is: "Mercedes is better than lexus" you fail to demonstrate this using fact.

And now who is being the snob? I don't really care about which cars you are able to purchase and which cars you are not able to purchase. I have already posted a lot of links to back up my arguments. Its just sad that you are too stubborn to admit that Mercedes is better than Lexus. As Whitehatter said, Lexus is just a toyota with a gold plated lexus logo on it. Nothing more, nothing less. You are losing more and more credibility, especially when you are using such a low language.

[Edited 2006-02-23 17:01:25]
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:06 am

also check this out:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/news.cfm...17.007&mercedes=1.html/country/gcf

Also, why would you want some lexus speakers when you can get a 14 Harmon/Kardon speakers with 600 watt, and DVD-quality audio.. way better than any lexus:

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Vehi...cedes-Benz_S-Class.S183.A9403.html

[Edited 2006-02-23 17:15:48]
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:22 am

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 9):
A little under, $30,000, correct? Why not just keep saving and go for the BMW a year or two down the line?

You are aware that they no longer make the 318 right, so 30,000 + couple years savings will not get you too far. Especially when u factor in taxes etc.

Quoting JAGflyer (Reply 10):
Do not buy RWD (Rear Wheel Drive) for Canadian winters. It is a big mistake.

She lives in BC, no snow.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 12):
Parts are very expensive for these sort of cars

Well if you buy them from the dealership yes.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 16):
Lexus is a wannabe car..

Apparently you know a lot about cars  Yeah sure

Quoting Myt332 (Reply 18):
I guess it could just be down to personal preference but BMW's / German cars have the edge IMHO.

I drive a 330 myself but I've already traded it in for a Lexus IS350, I'm just waiting for it to arrive, March 6th.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):
but dollar for dollar no one can beat what a Lexus can offer.

Agreed.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 28):
They have completely stolen both their exterior and their interior designs from mercedes

Mercedes take themselves so seriously that they take to court anyone who uses model numbers in the lettere,letter,number,number order. They sued an appliance manufacturer that happened to release a model call the SL66. If what you said is true Lexus would have been getting pumped by now. And the two pictures you cited for a interior comparison look nothing alike, except for the steering wheel.

The GS400 is a good car just, a little bulky for my tastes, but a good car none the less. You will be hard pressed to find a similiar car at this kind of price. I say you jump on it if you like the car.

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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:26 am

Quoting YOWza (Reply 55):
Apparently you know a lot about cars

Yes. It is a wannabe car. Lexus completely stole both interior and exterior design from mercedes. its a fact.. se the pictures above

Quoting YOWza (Reply 55):
Mercedes take themselves so seriously that they take to court anyone who uses model numbers in the lettere,letter,number,number order. They sued an appliance manufacturer that happened to release a model call the SL66. If what you said is true Lexus would have been getting pumped by now. And the two pictures you cited for a interior comparison look nothing alike, except for the steering wheel.

The GS400 is a good car just, a little bulky for my tastes, but a good car none the less. You will be hard pressed to find a similiar car at this kind of price. I say you jump on it if you like the car.

Sadly, I have to admit that Mercedes stole some interior design for the new s-class from bmw, which I know they wouldn't have had to do. Also, I am sure any car company would sue companies if they were in the same situation.. nothing new there. Mercedes were the first to introduce naviation system in the previous S-class. That was since then copied by a lot of companies, so it goes both ways though

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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:28 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 53):
First of all: LED lamps dont belong on these kind of cars.

Of course they do, LEDs have a much quicker response time than a bulb, so come on quicker, i.e. alert drivers behind you quicker. Also LEDs will last for the whole life of the car so they never need to be changed
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:32 am

Quoting Dazultra (Reply 57):

Of course they do, LEDs have a much quicker response time than a bulb, so come on quicker, i.e. alert drivers behind you quicker. Also LEDs will last for the whole life of the car so they never need to be changed

Well maybe they are safer, but I just don't like the looks of them. Just like xenon lamps. I have spoken with a police officer and he says that they hate xenon lamps because they give a bluish light from them, so people are slower at responding on ambulances, firetrucks and policecars these days. So just because they give a better view for the driver, doesn't mean that they are a good thing.
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:37 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 58):
Well maybe they are safer, but I just don't like the looks of them. Just like xenon lamps.

We have xenons on our BMW and I can tell you once you have them you will never consider going back to normal bulbs. And again they last for ages, as opposed to bulbs.
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:38 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 53):
First of all: LED lamps dont belong on these kind of cars. I hate them. Mercedes is working together with apple so you can connect your ipod with the controls on the steering wheel. That gives you access to 15.000 songs if you have that ipod

The New LS460 system also has an aux jack for the Ipod. I think the IS250/350 already has this.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 53):
I have posted a lot of links, so besides my opinion, I have a lot of facts to back it up with. you just cant handle it.

You posted Two links which said the same thing: The E Class was the safest car, and that the S did equally well. I never said Mercedes was unsafe. The third was a critics review of the S550..

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 53):
f you have a car like a mercedes, I am sure you are able to get bluetooth installed for a very little amount of money. Not that it matters because there are way better solutions out there. Self parking feature is only for people who dont know the size of their own car.. just shows that it is an amateur who owns the car

That sounds like an excuse to me. For $86,000 this should be standard. And you don't think half the options in the S are gimmicks? What function does the iDrive knockoff serve? What is the point of nightvision? (A Cadillac first)

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 54):
lso, why would you want some lexus speakers when you can get a 14 Harmon/Kardon speakers with 600 watt, and DVD-quality audio.. way better than any lexus

Lexus speakers? Lexus doesn't make speakers. The new Lexus system is made by Mark Levinson which is a specialist divison of the same Harman Kardon you mentioned. The LS460 will offer 19 Speakers and 7.1 channel surround sound.

Do you have any evidence to say it is better? Last time the Lexus system beat the Mercedes one handily:
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/58886/article.html

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 53):
And now who is being the snob? I don't really care about which cars you are able to purchase and which cars you are not able to purchase. I have already posted a lot of links to back up my arguments. Its just sad that you are too stubborn to admit that Mercedes is better than Lexus. As Whitehatter said, Lexus is just a toyota with a gold plated lexus logo on it. Nothing more, nothing less. You are losing more and more credibility, especially when you are using such a low language.

I'm not the one claiming someone's car is full of rust and saying "Mercedes is just better. Here is one of your comments:

"I don't need to because we both know that Mercedes just is better. That's the way it is. Tough luck."

Hmm that is not arrogance??? You offered THREE links to pages that don't refute a single thing I said..I've offered loads of facts to disprove you at every step. You can have all the opinions you want, but the Objectives say you're wrong. All you can do is say Lexus is crap, and only offer a crash test rating to prove this...


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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:39 am



You know, all this crap BMW fans spew forth about the supposed insecurity issues of Lexus drivers reminds me of a rather popular and well-known joke:



Q: What's the difference between a porcupine and a BMW?






















A: With a BMW, the prick is on the inside.



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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:48 am

You know, all this crap BMW fans spew forth about the supposed insecurity issues of Lexus drivers reminds me of a rather popular and well-known joke:

Thanks for adding so much to the conversation, it's not like any of us have heard that before.  Yeah sure

What is the point of nightvision?

To see animals, cars, and people out of the range of headlights. Also an option on BMW 7, 5 and 6 series models as of March 06 production.
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:53 am

You could get a new Camry for the same amount of money as that Lexus which is now eight model years old.
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:59 am

Quoting PROSA (Reply 63):
You could get a new Camry for the same amount of money as that Lexus which is now eight model years old.

Or wait for the '07 Camry redesign which will have a hybrid version....and a NASCAR version - for 2H4.
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:32 am

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 60):
The New LS460 system also has an aux jack for the Ipod. I think the IS250/350 already has this.

Yes but are you able to control the songs from the buttons on your steering wheel?

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 60):
You posted Two links which said the same thing: The E Class was the safest car, and that the S did equally well. I never said Mercedes was unsafe. The third was a critics review of the S550..

Yes. I linked some sources for you, then you ask me if I have sources to back it up in your next post. lol. How about opening the webpages first?

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 60):
That sounds like an excuse to me. For $86,000 this should be standard. And you don't think half the options in the S are gimmicks? What function does the iDrive knockoff serve? What is the point of nightvision? (A Cadillac first)

Its not an excuse. Thats just because mercedes is better built so it costs more. It is indeed very logical! The night vision is to avoid you from hitting other humans, animals, trees, etc. during night time. You get what you pay for. Thats why Mercedes is more expensive.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 60):
Lexus speakers? Lexus doesn't make speakers. The new Lexus system is made by Mark Levinson which is a specialist divison of the same Harman Kardon you mentioned. The LS460 will offer 19 Speakers and 7.1 channel surround sound.

Do you have any evidence to say it is better? Last time the Lexus system beat the Mercedes one handily:
http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/....html

Well if they are basically from the same company, why would the lexus speakers be any better? I am sure Harman/Kardon is just as good if not better.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 60):
I'm not the one claiming someone's car is full of rust and saying "Mercedes is just better. Here is one of your comments:

"I don't need to because we both know that Mercedes just is better. That's the way it is. Tough luck."

Hmm that is not arrogance??? You offered THREE links to pages that don't refute a single thing I said..I've offered loads of facts to disprove you at every step. You can have all the opinions you want, but the Objectives say you're wrong. All you can do is say Lexus is crap, and only offer a crash test rating to prove this...

That was after you called me a snob lol. I could continue providing you with links. As the other link said: The s-class is the worlds best selling luxury sedan, so apparently I am not the only one who knows what I am talking about  Wink
and yes I think Lexus is crap compared to Mercedes. I offered other links aswell if just you would be willing to open the links aswell to check.
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 2:49 am

Quoting Dazultra (Reply 59):
We have xenons on our BMW and I can tell you once you have them you will never consider going back to normal bulbs. And again they last for ages, as opposed to bulbs.

Well I am sure they are good. I would love to try them. Actually the VW Touareg that I got to testdrive did have xenonlamps, but I wasnt driving in it by night time, so I didnt get to try them. I was just saying that the police doesnt like them due their safety, and in case of an emergency, the ambulance has to drive as fast as possible.. anyway, as I said, I would love to try them

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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:05 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 65):
The s-class is the worlds best selling luxury sedan, so apparently I am not the only one who knows what I am talking about

Yes, and Lexus outsells Mercedes in the largest Auto market: The United States. Sales mean nothing anyway. Is the Toyota Yaris a better car than the S Class because it sells more?

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 65):
es but are you able to control the songs from the buttons on your steering wheel?

It's been like that since 2000.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 65):
Yes. I linked some sources for you, then you ask me if I have sources to back it up in your next post. lol. How about opening the webpages first?

You have linked to a total of 5 sources. The first 2 were factual ones stating the safety results. The third was a subjective review of the new S Class. The fourth and fifth discussed the new stereo. I've read them.

You have yet to link to a source that validates anything else you have said. Throughout this discussion you've said

-Lexus is crap.

What FACTS (not Opinions) do you have to support this?

- A single Crash test rating.....

I've presented quality rankings, and other info on Lexus to indicate my case.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 65):
ts not an excuse. Thats just because mercedes is better built so it costs more. I

Better Built? So this is why they have the worst Reliability scores in the business! (See JD Power) Your statements are counter to reality. So explain, how can a Mercedes be better built than a Lexus yet break down more often?

You obviously aren't an industry expert. Have you look at Daimler Chrysler's financials? If you did, you'll see Chrysler sales were the ONLY thing that kept the company from losing money last year. You probably don't know that Dieter Zetshe, Daimler's new CEO has admitted problems with Mercedes quality and has embarked on a wide cost cutting campaign to deal with this.

You obviously aren't aware that Toyota's TPS production system is the best in the market period. Toyota nabs defects before they can even occur. Mercedes has a team of QA inspectors at the END of the line trying to fix stuff..

Mercedes are priced higher because their COSTS are higher. A basic economics lesson would tell you that. Why do you think they lost market share in the USA ever since Lexus came around? Why is it that Mercedes has been losing money since Lexus came out?

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 65):
Well if they are basically from the same company, why would the lexus speakers be any better? I am sure Harman/Kardon is just as good if not better.

Mark Levinson is a boutique division of Harman. What you are saying is tantamount to this: Ford makes cars of comparable quality to Jaguar because Ford owns it...Check the web, Mark Levenson systems cost much more $$$ than an ordinary Harman system. Besides, I can get a Harman Kardon system in the Buick Lucerne.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 65):
yes I think Lexus is crap compared to Mercedes. I offered other links aswell if just you would be willing to open the links aswell to check.

None of your links support this conclusion...Find me a SINGLE reviewer who uses facts to say this. Most critics say that Lexus is bland and doesn't handle as well as BMW...That's about it....

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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:24 am

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 67):
Yes, and Lexus outsells Mercedes in the largest Auto market: The United States. Sales mean nothing anyway. Is the Toyota Yaris a better car than the S Class because it sells more?

That is like comparing apples and oranges. You cant say that a 737 is better than a 747 because it has sold more units.. you have to compare it to its direct competitor, so mercedes is obviously better and more popular.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 67):

It's been like that since 2000.

Yeah right. Not for ipod. Controls to control the radio and cdplayer has been in mercedes cars already in 1998 or something then. Again Lexus steals the concept from mercedes.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 67):
You have linked to a total of 5 sources. The first 2 were factual ones stating the safety results. The third was a subjective review of the new S Class. The fourth and fifth discussed the new stereo. I've read them.

You have yet to link to a source that validates anything else you have said. Throughout this discussion you've said

-Lexus is crap.

What FACTS (not Opinions) do you have to support this?

- A single Crash test rating.....

I've presented quality rankings, and other info on Lexus to indicate my case.

Well it is my opinion. Just like when you say Mercedes isnt well built. The sources you have posted are not really accepted. Because one magazine thinks so doesnt mean that its a fact. The links I posted to were based on facts. Mercedes is the safest car. That was a fact. It has been tested. The Mercedes S-Class is selling better than any of its competitors. That is a fact.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 67):
Better Built? So this is why they have the worst Reliability scores in the business! (See JD Power) Your statements are counter to reality. So explain, how can a Mercedes be better built than a Lexus yet break down more often?

Again, that is just one magazines opinion.

http://www3.shopping.com/xPR-Mercede...ercedes_Benz_S_Class~RD-3337129604

Heres just another link that says that the Mercedes is well built. What you are saying is based on your own opinion.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 67):
Mark Levinson is a boutique division of Harman. What you are saying is tantamount to this: Ford makes cars of comparable quality to Jaguar because Ford owns it...Check the web, Mark Levenson systems cost much more $$$ than an ordinary Harman system. Besides, I can get a Harman Kardon system in the Buick Lucerne.

You are also able to get BOSE speakers in your Mercedes. in my dads car we have BOSE speakers. Also, just because it is more expensive, doesnt mean that they are better. do you have any facts about the sound quality difference between the companies or is that also just based on your personal opinion?

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 67):
None of your links support this conclusion...Find me a SINGLE reviewer who uses facts to say this. Most critics say that Lexus is bland and doesn't handle as well as BMW...That's about it....

um right here.. it took me about 2 seconds to find:

http://www.autospies.com/article/index.asp?articleId=5627

"Wow, the new IS has more HP. Great. It still handles like crap and brakes like crap. Lexus is still missing the mark for a sports sedan. Give me a 3 series or A/S4 anyday of the week."

that is from a guy who has driven the car. Ofcourse you are not able to find a review from a magazine where they directly use the word "crap" about a car. No matter what car it is.

Lexus is a high priced toyota. Its a waste of money. You are way better off with a Toyota then.. it saves you a lot of money!
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:39 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 68):
You are also able to get BOSE speakers in your Mercedes. in my dads car we have BOSE speakers. Also, just because it is more expensive, doesnt mean that they are better. do you have any facts about the sound quality difference between the companies or is that also just based on your personal opinion?

Bose is good for mids...I prefer Klipsch though.

For a car?......I'd go with Fosgate.

This coming from someone who used to sell them.
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:18 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 68):
Yeah right. Not for ipod. Controls to control the radio and cdplayer has been in mercedes cars already in 1998 or something then. Again Lexus steals the concept from mercedes.

Wrong again. Take a look at this picture from a 1994 Ford Thunderbird:
http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/U...arreviewphotos/img/94113141991905/

Steering mounted controls have been on Ford
cars for much longer....So are you going to say Mercedes stole them from the US Carmakers?

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 68):
hat is like comparing apples and oranges. You cant say that a 737 is better than a 747 because it has sold more units.. you have to compare it to its direct competitor, so mercedes is obviously better and more popular.

Popular maybe, "Better" not really. Does more Airbus A320 sales make it better than the 737 NG? No...Again your posts are not in line with reality. Is the VHS format "better" than Betamax? It's not, the Betamax was a technically better product.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 68):
Just like when you say Mercedes isnt well built. The sources you have posted are not really accepted



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 68):
What you are saying is based on your own opinion.

Bull. JD Power is a multi-million dollar company that is well regarded across the world. Unlike the articles you post, JD Power is SCIENCE. They collect survey data from actual owners of these cars. What they say is FACT and not OPINION. Check out Consumer Reports. They are another well respected SCIENCE based critic. Even the CEO of Daimler Chrysler Dieter Zetsche has admitted it.

http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0509/27/A01-329111.htm

Here's an Excerpt:
"Zetsche, former head of the Chrysler Group and now head of the Mercedes Car Group, said both carmakers would benefit from sharing costs and technology in the face of rising competition."

So can I call all new Mercedes rebadged Chrysler's now?

"Zetsche doesn't see that as the way to restore Mercedes' profitability and once-sterling reputation. In the past three years, its reliability ratings have tumbled, according to J.D. Power and Associates -- and the carmaker's results have suffered. In the first half of this year, the Mercedes Car Group has lost more than $1 billion, partly reflecting big restructuring costs at its Smart minicar brand."

Hmmmm at least the CEO is not in denial like you...

One More: "Now, "we have to spend less. We have to do more," he said. He wants to apply lessons learned from Chrysler's turnaround experience, such as setting a few clear targets.

In addition, he wants to bring to Mercedes some low-cost, lean manufacturing methods that Japanese automakers pioneered and Chrysler was quick to embrace. "

Check and mate. The CEO of Daimler Chrysler is saying HE needs to cut costs. He's saying the Japanese build them more efficiently. And he alludes to the fact Mercedes are more expensive due to their COST issues.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 68):
You are also able to get BOSE speakers in your Mercedes. in my dads car we have BOSE speakers. Also, just because it is more expensive, doesnt mean that they are better.

Oh wait you just contradicted yourself:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 65):
Its not an excuse. Thats just because mercedes is better built so it costs more. It is indeed very logical!

So you say a Mercedes is better because it costs more, yet you refuse to admit the Mark Levenson system is better because it costs more. By the way the BOSE system in the Mercedes lost to the Lexus' Mark Levenson..I gave the link in my last post. Unlike you, I don't offer opinion, I offer fact:

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/list/top10/58886/article.html

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 68):
Wow, the new IS has more HP. Great. It still handles like crap and brakes like crap. Lexus is still missing the mark for a sports sedan. Give me a 3 series or A/S4 anyday of the week."

that is from a guy who has driven the car. Ofcourse you are not able to find a review from a magazine where they directly use the word "crap" about a car. No matter what car it is.

Man this is too easy. You couldn't find any reviewer to disparage Lexus so you post a comment from an ANONYMOUS web poster who was COMMENTING on the article.....

For everyone else here is what the ACTUAL article said:

"Well, they won't be saying that about the new IS model. Available in the all-wheel drive IS 250, the front-wheel drive IS 250 and the stupendous, high performing IS 350, the appearance, interior design and content of this automobile is top drawer. There's nothing to apologize for here."

The ACTUAL article was very positive as above.

Keep it coming..You won't admit but, you cannot support your opinion with facts...

By the way, I'm a Management Consultant who SPECIALIZES in the Auto industry. I know what I am talking about...

--Sam
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 6:49 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 53):
Mercedes is working together with apple so you can connect your ipod with the controls on the steering wheel.



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 68):
Yeah right. Not for ipod. Controls to control the radio and cdplayer has been in mercedes cars already in 1998 or something then. Again Lexus steals the concept from mercedes.

Wrong again...Here is a review of the IS350 which is ALREADY on the road...

http://www.automobilemag.com/2006_new_cars/0504_lexus_is350/

"Highlights include an input port for your iPod , optional Mark Levinson audio, a navigation system with a rear-view camera, and a total of ten air bags. Other safety equipment includes available swiveling Xenon headlights, radar-sensed, pre-crash seatbelt tensioners, and Lexus's advanced stability control system."

All this talk about iPod: The ability to connect an iPod has been available a full model year before Mercedes on the IS350..

Hmm All this talk about Safety: Funny the adaptive Lexus headlights have been around since September 2003, as have the Rear View camera.. Are you going to argue that adaptive lights aren't useful on sharp corners? Are you going to argue that having a 7" Color picture of what is behind you as you reverse is a gimmick? So who puts safety first again???

Hmm, oddly Mercedes thought enough of these features to put them in the new S Class some three years later..Who is copying who again?

So, it has been demonstrated that Ford was first with Steering Controls and that Lexus was FIRST to market with the iPod integration, Adaptive Headlights, and Backup Rear Camera...So Answer the question: Who is stealing from whom?

-Sam

[Edited 2006-02-23 22:57:11]
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:11 am

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 52):
The Avensis is a great car, something I wish Toyota would bring to the USA. Have you seen the Avensis diesel?

We have had the Avensis D-4D diesels here for a long time now, as well as the Avensis Verso which was a taller 7 seat semi-MPV version.

Back to lexus...it isn't a car I would buy. Just out of dislike for that segment of the market. To me a Lexus driver is someone who cares more about toys and brand than form and functionality, and guess where I fit.

I'm interested in how reliable it is, how much smooth power gets delivered to the road, whether it's good on fuel and just what it can do. And I don't care if it's called a Lexus, Daewoo, Lada or Ichyfanny Mark Ten.

Remember Sam Walton? He drove a beat up pickup all his life and when he died he was the world's largest grocer. Same with a mate of my dad's, who drove an Escort van and then retired after selling his plant hire business for £75 million. Both would regard a Lexus driver as a failure, as they think more about toys and image than what the vehicle is for.

I'm not averse to spending good money on a car. Just averse to spending it buying into the whole brand and image thing. That's what my dad's mate used to say, if someone came to him driving a Mercedes and another guy arrived in an old Escort he would do business with Escort Guy. Because that guy isn't spending his time and money on crap.

So that's why I don't buy into the Lexus thing. You either use a car for what it is, or when you do buy you buy the very best. Anything between doesn't say a lot to the people in this world who matter.
Lead me not into temptation, I can find my own way there...
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:11 am

So, it has been demonstrated that Ford was first with Steering Controls and that Lexus was FIRST to market with the iPod integration, Adaptive Headlights, and Backup Rear Camera...

WRONG

-The 2002 Infiniti Q45 introduced the first backup camera, NOT lexus
http://www.nctd.com/review-intro.cfm...cle=2002_Infiniti_Q45&ReviewID=951

-BMW was the first with the adpative headlights in the 3-series cars in early 2003, when Lexus didn't introduce it in the RX till 2005.
http://www.nctd.com/review-intro.cfm...=2005_Lexus_RX%20330&ReviewID=1609

[Edited 2006-02-23 23:14:53]
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:21 am

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 70):
Wrong again. Take a look at this picture from a 1994 Ford Thunderbird:
http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/U...arreviewphotos/img/94113141991905/

Steering mounted controls have been on Ford
cars for much longer....So are you going to say Mercedes stole them from the US Carmakers?



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 70):

Wrong again. Take a look at this picture from a 1994 Ford Thunderbird:
http://auto.consumerguide.com/Auto/U...arreviewphotos/img/94113141991905/

Steering mounted controls have been on Ford
cars for much longer....So are you going to say Mercedes stole them from the US Carmakers?

Perhaps, but look at this:

http://www.autoreview.ru/new_site/year2000/n21/lexus/INTERIOR%2004.jpg A lexus interior from the year 2000

and then:
http://www.canadiandriver.com/testdrives/images/00s-class_dash.jpg
A mercedes interior from the same year.

and then:
http://www.edmunds.com/media/roadtes...s.ls430/01.lexus.ls430.int.500.jpg
A lexus one year later.. I mean come on!!! as soon as mercedes gets something new installed in their cars, lexus makes exactly the same thing, because they cannot come up with their own design

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 70):
Popular maybe, "Better" not really. Does more Airbus A320 sales make it better than the 737 NG? No...Again your posts are not in line with reality. Is the VHS format "better" than Betamax? It's not, the Betamax was a technically better product.

Again you are not able to figure out how to look at it. The A320 and the 737NG didn't come out at the same time, neither did the VHS and Betamax. You have to compare it to other cars that are about equally old to the car you are looking at. Even you should be able to figure something like that out.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 70):
Oh wait you just contradicted yourself:

And so did you:
you keep talking about how much cheaper lexus is, well if thats true then why waste extra money on a little better speakers just to show off? Oh right, the lexus is a car for people who think (according to you) and you are not allowed to show off. omg thats so terrible! well I would say that anyone that buys a lexus does not think at all! Complete waste of money! As I have said before, go for a toyota instead.. its the same product, just way cheaper!

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 67):
Mark Levenson systems cost much more $$$ than an ordinary Harman system. Besides, I can get a Harman Kardon system in the Buick Lucerne.



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 70):
Bull.

nope. what you just posted is bull!

taken directly from an article:

"The Mercedes gains an edge in overall steering feel as the C-class’ leather wheel sends more feedback to the driver than the Lexus’ wood and leather wheel. The Merc pilot senses more control plus the smaller C280 responds quicker to your inputs. While the GS is certainly no slouch, the C280 seems more agile, lighter on its feet. The Merc actually rides a little better than the longer wheelbase Lexus too, but much of that is due to the hard run-flat tires used on the GS. They tend to clop over broken pavement and signal more noise to occupants than they actually deliver in ride interruptions."

source: http://www.ellsworthmaine.com/site/i...ontent&task=view&id=1727&Itemid=31

Again, the lexus is a waste of money. The toyota would handle just as "good" as the lexus so why waste those extra money just because you want to show off in your wannabe car?

and check this out:
http://www.forbes.com/2005/09/07/cx_...0908showslide.html?thisSpeed=35000

the wannabe costs $65,355 while the Mercedes costs $43,675. Also in the Merc, you get a 5,4 liter V-8 engine whereas in the wannabe, you "only" get a 4,3 liters engine. Plus the SLK is waaaaay sexier! so yeah... thats really a car for the man who thinks things through. Looks like you just contradicted yourself again  Silly

source: http://www.forbes.com/vehicles/2005/...onvertibles-cx_dl_0908show_ls.html

And here you can clearly see how lexus copies mercedes EVERY SINGLE TIME:

http://www.sportscarforums.com/f9/lexus-vs-mercedes-2907.html

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 70):
So you say a Mercedes is better because it costs more

yes definately! Lexus cars lose so much of their value. Within a few years, they are worth less than half the price than what they cost from new. Also Lexus makes new cars with the same model name more often than mercedes and also bmw, which also contributes to a loss in value. You can drive around in your lexus for 3-4 years and then there is a new model out there which people much rather want. Also the link you provided is not a fact but also an opinion based on the reviewer.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 70):

Man this is too easy. You couldn't find any reviewer to disparage Lexus so you post a comment from an ANONYMOUS web poster who was COMMENTING on the article.....

well that is why I quoted the above text (which is from a reviewer)
"The Mercedes gains an edge in overall steering feel as the C-class’ leather wheel sends more feedback to the driver than the Lexus’ wood and leather wheel. The Merc pilot senses more control plus the smaller C280 responds quicker to your inputs. While the GS is certainly no slouch, the C280 seems more agile, lighter on its feet."

Well that was too easy  Wink It took me about 30 seconds to find.

here's one more:
"The SC 430 is substantially costlier than the SLK-Class as far as MSRP."
http://www.newcars.com/review_model/...20430_Mercedes-Benz_SLK-Class.html
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:28 am

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 71):

Wrong again...Here is a review of the IS350 which is ALREADY on the road...

Yes, already on the road, but who did FIRST come up with this? Mercedes. Way before Lexus.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 71):
Hmm All this talk about Safety: Funny the adaptive Lexus headlights have been around since September 2003, as have the Rear View camera.. Are you going to argue that adaptive lights aren't useful on sharp corners? Are you going to argue that having a 7" Color picture of what is behind you as you reverse is a gimmick? So who puts safety first again???

Um that was introduced the the last S-class which came out in 1999

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 71):
Hmm, oddly Mercedes thought enough of these features to put them in the new S Class some three years later..Who is copying who again?



Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 71):
So, it has been demonstrated that Ford was first with Steering Controls and that Lexus was FIRST to market with the iPod integration, Adaptive Headlights, and Backup Rear Camera...So Answer the question: Who is stealing from whom?

Again, it clearly shows that you don't know what you are talking about.. the adaptive headlamps came in the mercedes way before it was introduced in a lexus.

and here I have posted some of the pictures from one of the above links:











see what I mean? that is so lame!! All lexus does is copying from mostly mercedes but also a few other car companies.. they have not invented a single thing by themselves.
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:29 am

Quoting Flight152 (Reply 73):
WRONG

-The 2002 Infiniti Q45 introduced the first backup camera, NOT lexus
http://www.nctd.com/review-intro.cfm...cle=2002_Infiniti_Q45&ReviewID=951

-BMW was the first with the adpative headlights in the 3-series cars in early 2003, when Lexus didn't introduce it in the RX till 2005.

Actually you are WRONG:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=83157

Second Edition of a Best-Seller

By Erin Riches Email
Date posted: 01-05-2003

"The adaptive headlights (called Adaptive Front Lighting System or AFS by Lexus) are a segment-busting feature in the modern automotive world, and after a quick nighttime demonstration, we were suitably impressed. During a left turn, the left headlight can pivot up to 15 degrees in that direction to illuminate your path, while the right headlight remains centered."

So we have it that Lexus already had the RX on the road in the first month of 2003.

I'll give you the backup camera one. The RX with this option was released in 1/03 though. We're talking about a few months, versus a few years in my argument against Mercedes.

My point of ALL of this is to disprove the notion Mercedes is the innovator and Lexus the stealer. The truth is Automakers routinely copy each other. The airbag was brought to market by GM in the 1970's. They were the first to offer touch screen technology in 1987 with the Buick Regal. Cadillac was first to market with Night Vision Tech on their Deville. (Later discontinued because only 5% of Deville buyers actually got it) Which makes me think: GM has contributed as much to the auto industry as Mercedes and the like when it comes to cutting edge options....

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 72):
Back to lexus...it isn't a car I would buy. Just out of dislike for that segment of the market. To me a Lexus driver is someone who cares more about toys and brand than form and functionality, and guess where I fit.

Fair Enough. I am a Lexus driver but it isn't for the toys. It's about the reliability for which Lexus is No. 1.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 72):
. Both would regard a Lexus driver as a failure, as they think more about toys and image than what the vehicle is for.

I agree. Lexus when it came out was the Anti-Status symbol, the California yuppie crowd turned it into one.

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 72):
ou either use a car for what it is, or when you do buy you buy the very best

Depends on what category you're looking for the "Best" in. Lexus offers the Best reliability, which is the only reason I'd get one. The day Lexus fails to build the No.1 reliable car in the world, I won't buy them period.

I don't think it's fair to typecast everyone who buys these expensive cars purely for image. I love Jaguars. Why? Because they are the most beautiful cars on the road..(Well they used to be, before Ford messed it up). Do I care that it is a Jaguar? No..I just like the look of it. Their interiors are to die for..But then again that is my opinion.

-Sam
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:40 am

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 76):
"The adaptive headlights (called Adaptive Front Lighting System or AFS by Lexus)

Actually YOU are WRONG! What the reviewer wrote was just what lexus calls them, since lexus can't both copy the same technology plus stealing the name of this feature. Then they make it sound like they invented it.

"Adaptive headlights can also be specified, in conjunction with Bi-Xenon headlamps, significantly improving visibility when cornering."

source: http://www.bmwworld.com/models/320cd.htm
date: source: bmw.co.uk
07/03/2003

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 76):
Fair Enough. I am a Lexus driver but it isn't for the toys. It's about the reliability for which Lexus is No. 1.

Not at all.. the only place where they are number 1 in reliability is in your mind.

[Edited 2006-02-23 23:51:06]
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 7:45 am

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 76):
I don't think it's fair to typecast everyone who buys these expensive cars purely for image. I love Jaguars. Why? Because they are the most beautiful cars on the road..(Well they used to be, before Ford messed it up). Do I care that it is a Jaguar? No..I just like the look of it. Their interiors are to die for..But then again that is my opinion.

contradicting yourself again I see. You are telling me that Mercedes is for people who just want to show that they are rich.. that is definately bull.. even according to yourself. Have you ever thought about that many people like the design of Mercedes cars? Do I care that it has that star in the front? not really. I like them because Mercedes is the #1 in reliability, design, performance and luxury.
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:14 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 75):



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 75):
Um that was introduced the the last S-class which came out in 1999

Proof?

I don't think so. The 1999 does NOT have a rear view camera nor does it have adaptive headlights..I personally drove a S430 4 Matic last year and those options weren't there....If you want to question my facts post some of your own.

We've established that the Q45 had the camera and Lexus the headlights first...

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 75):

Yes, already on the road, but who did FIRST come up with this? Mercedes. Way before Lexus.

Proof please. If Lexus had it on the road first, then who thought first to put iPod connectivity into the car? Mercedes ? Noooo..

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 74):
taken directly from an article:

"The Mercedes gains an edge in overall steering feel as the C-class� leather wheel sends more feedback to the driver than the Lexus� wood and leather wheel. The Merc pilot senses more control plus the smaller C280 responds quicker to your inputs. While the SA)">GS is certainly no slouch, the C280 seems more agile, lighter on its feet. The Merc actually rides a little better than the longer wheelbase Lexus too, but much of that is due to the hard run-flat tires used on the SA)">GS. They tend to clop over broken pavement and signal more noise to occupants than they actually deliver in ride interruptions."

Dude get a clue. You just contradicted yourself: "Taken directly from AN article, not the ORIGINAL one you posted.." Besides you are comparing a much SMALLER C280 to the larger GS3/400. That's like saying a 3 Series will outhandle a 7 Series..Oh wait it DOES! Duhhh...

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 74):
yes definately! Lexus cars lose so much of their value. Within a few years, they are worth less than half the price than what they cost from new. Also Lexus makes new cars with the same model name more often than mercedes and also bmw, which also contributes to a loss in value. You can drive around in your lexus for 3-4 years and then there is a new model out there which people much rather want. Also the link you provided is not a fact but also an opinion based on the reviewer.

Umm that article QUOTES the CEO of MERCEDES!! So you think you know more than Dieter Zetsche the CEO of Daimler Chrysler???

As for residuals you are wrong again...
http://www.alg.com/press_detail.aspx?id=61

ALG is THE Standard for every American bank who finances loans. BMW was No 1. Lexus was No.2..Mercedes was No. 4

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 74):
you keep talking about how much cheaper lexus is, well if thats true then why waste extra money on a little better speakers just to show off? Oh right, the lexus is a car for people who think (according to you) and you are not allowed to show off. omg thats so terrible! well I would say that anyone that buys a lexus does not think at all! Complete waste of money! As I have said before, go for a toyota instead.. its the same product, just way cheaper!

Okay it took me 5 minutes just to understand this jibberish..I didn't say Lexus is a car for the modest. Who said buying a high quality stereo is showing off? I call disparaging a car just because it isn't a Mercedes showing off.

Even with its' award winning quality, electronics, and Mark Levinson system it is STILL cheaper than the S-Class.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 74):
the wannabe costs $65,355 while the Mercedes costs $43,675. Also in the Merc, you get a 5,4 liter V-8 engine whereas in the wannabe, you "only" get a 4,3 liters engine. Plus the SLK is waaaaay sexier! so yeah... thats really a car for the man who thinks things through. Looks like you just contradicted yourself again

You are comparing an aftermarket Mercedes (AMG) to a stock Lexus? There are modified Mustangs that will blow the doors off of that car..

Who is contradicting themselves?? Read your own post:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 74):
ou have to compare it to other cars that are about equally old to the car you are looking at. Even you should be able to figure something like that out.

Take your own advice. You are comparing a brand new SLK to a 4-5 yr old SC 430 that debuted in 2001...I think "Even you should be able to figure that out"

Let's look at your pictures:

You put a ES300/330 which debuted in late 2001 against a Mercedes CLS which came out LAST year...Who is copying WHO again? You just shot your own foot....

Then you put a NEW E Class against a TEN year old GS3/400...

You then pit a new RX versus an older ML..But wait who came out with the first CAR-LIKE SUV??? Lexus with the RX300 in 1998.


http://www.autoworld.com/RX300.htm

"Moving into the Future - Buy The RX300 Here

The RX 300 will satisfy the changing tastes of today's luxury vehicle buyers who want the style, versatility, commanding visibility and poor-weather traction of an all-wheel-drive SUV, but did not consider one because on-road performance, ride comfort, fuel economy or ease of entry/exit did not meet their expectations. Thanks to an exceptionally rapid design process, Lexus planners and engineers were able to respond to the latest trends in SUV customer preferences. As a result, the RX 300 signals the direction for SUVs of the future."


So who was first again???

Then you show a LS430 which debuted in 2001 against a S Class which also debuted at the SAME TIME....

You finish by contradicting yourself once again: You show a NEW SLK versus a FOUR year old SC430...

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 75):
see what I mean? that is so lame!! All lexus does is copying from mostly mercedes but also a few other car companies.. they have not invented a single thing by themselves.

Okay Lexus has invented or brought to market the following before Mercedes

-World's first Luxury Hybrid
-World's first Eight Speed Transmission
-Adaptive Headlamps
-World's first Optrion Gauges (Light up when you turn the key) in 1989. We see this in Mercedes some TEN years later
-Knee Airbags
-DVD Based Navigation System
-CD Changer inside the car instead of the trunk
-Bluetooth Technology
-A 19 Speaker 7.1 Stereo System
-Industry first Hard Drive to store Mp3, et all
-iPod connectivity well before Mercedes
-Voice Activation (Infinti was first by a year I think)
-World's first Self Park Feature
-Backup Camera Before Mercedes
-the FIRST Car-Like SUV which spawned a bunch of copycats
-An industry leading 6 year 100,000 Mile Extended Warranty. Mercedes only offers an 18 month warranty. So much for being "Well Built." If they are so Well Built why doesn't Mercedes offer a longer warranty????
-Industry leading Retention and Quality scores. Most Lexus buyers will come back and buy another
-Industry leading Service. Lexus has been the benchmark for service since 1989.
-A Class leading V-8 Engine that has been ranked one of Ward's Ten Best engines. The Lexus LS430 is the only car that avoids the US Gas Guzzler tax in its' class..Been that way since 1989.
-Debuted with a class leading 4 cam 32 Valve V-8..Mercedes has only moved back to 4 valves per cylinder recently.
-Coming out soon with a 4.6 L V-8 that makes 380 Horsepower. Mercedes has a 5.5 L V-8 that makes 382

Link: http://www.toyotanation.com/forum/t115664.html


Will your Mercedes dealer bring a brand new loaner to your door?
Will they give you a driver to take you anywhere you please? (If you elect not to take a loaner)
Will they feed you and offer you a business center so you don't lose any time?
Will they wash and vacuum your car if you bring it in?

The answers to the following question is No no and NO!
Imagine Lexus has done this in less than 20 years! The best has yet to come.

I will say this again: Dollar for Dollar Lexus cannot be beat. If you want to piss away $$$ for a Three point star you go right ahead...

-Sam

[Edited 2006-02-24 00:18:10]
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:28 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 77):
Actually YOU are WRONG! What the reviewer wrote was just what lexus calls them, since lexus can't both copy the same technology plus stealing the name of this feature. Then they make it sound like they invented it.

"Adaptive headlights can also be specified, in conjunction with Bi-Xenon headlamps, significantly improving visibility when cornering."

source: http://www.bmwworld.com/models/320cd.htm
date: source: bmw.co.uk
07/03/2003

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 76):
Fair Enough. I am a Lexus driver but it isn't for the toys. It's about the reliability for which Lexus is No. 1.

Not at all.. the only place where they are number 1 in reliability is in your mind.

What are you talking about? Lexus had that feature on 1/03 ,SIX months before that BMW article was even written. Prove to me that a BMW model had that light system before 1/03 and I'll listen..

Reliable??? Even the CEO of Daimler says you're wrong:

"Zetsche doesn't see that as the way to restore Mercedes' profitability and once-sterling reputation. In the past three years, its reliability ratings have tumbled, according to J.D. Power and Associates -- and the carmaker's results have suffered. In the first half of this year, the Mercedes Car Group has lost more than $1 billion, partly reflecting big restructuring costs at its Smart minicar brand.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating allegations that Mercedes managers bribed foreign officials. In addition, DaimlerChrysler has concluded its own investigation into allegations of wrongdoing, including kickbacks, in the sales operation.

Asked how Mercedes could have taken such a wrong turn, Zetsche said: "Some people couldn't imagine that there could be problems at Mercedes. They were in denial before the problems became full-blown."

Sounds like you are WRONG again.....

http://www.jdpower.com/news/releases/pressrelease.asp?ID=2005089

"According to actual retail transaction data from the Power Information Network, a division of J.D. Power and Associates, 3-year-old vehicles of brands that perform above the industry average in VDS typically retain $1,000 more of their value than those of brands performing below the industry average.

Lexus, which ranks highest in vehicle dependability for the 11th consecutive year, improves 14 percent (23 PP100) compared to 2004. "

In my mind eh?

"stablished in 1968, J.D. Power and Associates is a global marketing information firm that conducts independent and unbiased surveys of customer satisfaction, product quality and buyer behavior. Today, the firm’s services include industry-wide syndicated studies; proprietary (commissioned) tracking studies; media studies; forecasting; and training services, as well as business operations analyses, and consultancies on customer satisfaction trends. On April 1, 2005, J.D. Power and Associates became a business unit of the McGraw-Hill Companies."

So you a 16-20 yr old student claim to know more than JD Power and Associates, the CEO of Mercedes, the countless auto critics I've posted from, and a Management Consultant who specializes in the Auto Industry and that has submitted articles for publication by USA Today...

Yup, you've got tons of Credibility...


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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:30 am

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 19):
agreed! plus the new 7 series is one of bmw's ugliest along with the compact model

If I was shelling out for a Lux car i would head in the direction of a Audi dealership and pick up a W12 A8. My dad had one for a short while.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 20):

Oh here we go again...Which car company made more money than all of Merecedes, BMW, and Audi combined? Toyota/Lexus !! You can make this whole image argument if you want, but dollar for dollar no one can beat what a Lexus can offer.

That would be because they are made out of cheap and tacky materials and sitting in one is like sitting in a 70s dentists surgery. Complete with fake wood and plastic leather furnishings.

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Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:38 am

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 81):
Complete with fake wood and plastic leather furnishings.

WRONG!

http://www.lexus.com/models/ls/interior.html

"The interior of the LS hosts an abundance of genuine leather and rich wood trim. Both the steering wheel and shift knob are graced with wood and leather, and the audio controls are ergonomically integrated into the steering wheel for added convenience."

FYI: In America there is something called the Federal Trade Commission, which would SUE Lexus if they were lying...

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 81):
a Audi dealership and pick up a W12 A8.

It's a nice car with a great interior. I'll give you that. But where does it rank in Sales? Reliability? Depreciation? You cannot claim that Audi is considered anything beyond a niche player in the High End marketplace, much like Jaguar these days.

However, that doesn't make it a bad car. In fact I think it is a nice car..

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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 8:49 am

Sorry, I didn't realise they had started spending money on their Lexus range. They used to be heavier toyotas with Bose speakers in them, nothing more, nothing less.
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:35 am

Hello all, boy this thread sure took off lolz, anyways I checked out the GS 400 apparently it's not a local car which worries me. It's from the U.S so who knows where and what roads that car has driven, also the mileage is rather high at 103,000 (Miles) and they want just under $25,000 which seems over priced, the people selling it didn't seem to honest as well,but they ARE used car dealers lolz. I did check out another dealer they had a nice 2000 Jaguar S type 4.0 going for the same price, and way less miles, (Kms) were 74,000, also the body was in very pristine condition and they also have all the service records,so i might go for this one over my desire for a GS. Still don't know yet.

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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting GulfStreamGirl (Reply 84):
anyways I checked out the GS 400 apparently it's not a local car which worries me. It's from the U.S so who knows where and what roads that car has driven, also the mileage is rather high at 103,000 (Miles) and they want just under $25,000 which seems over priced

It is massively overpriced. While I don't know about Canadian prices, in the northeastern United States a 1999 GS 400 with 103K miles should go for about $15K - $16K depending on features. Even though that's in U.S. dollars, the dealer's price is way out of line.
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 12:54 pm

You want a real car? Get a Volkswagen Touareg. Best of both worlds. Car like drive on the highway and great off road capabilities as good as a Ranger Rover Jeep Wrangler and better than a H2. 4.2L V8 310hp will give you around a 7.4s 0-60time. This SUV can go up to 125mph with ease and with some paitence and straight road 140mph top speed. Forget about the ML RX or X5 if you ever think about getting a SUV Touareg is the only way to go. Now for cars I love Mercedes Benz CLS and SLK and CLK are great cars! Also BMW is great too but not the under powered ones like the 325i.
But trust me get a Touareg  Wink





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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 1:03 pm

LoLz ,thx for your reply FlyMia i think a Toureg is a lil out of my price range, I'm really only looking to spend about $25,000 Cdn,that might get me a quarter of a Toureg  Smile . It is a really nice car/suv though.



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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:26 pm

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 80):
What are you talking about? Lexus had that feature on 1/03 ,SIX months before that BMW article was even written. Prove to me that a BMW model had that light system before 1/03 and I'll listen..

right here: "Other features include: Xenon adaptive headlights, 3 stage heated front seats, retractable headlight washers, 17” alloy 330i rims, Premium Harmon Kardon sound system, and drives like a dream."

source:http://www.classyauto.com/v/used/BMW+325i/Sedan/40628
the bmw is from 2002

again, lexus just stole this technology

[Edited 2006-02-24 07:35:53]
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:35 pm

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 79):
Mercedes ? Noooo..

proof?

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 79):
Dude get a clue. You just contradicted yourself: "Taken directly from AN article, not the ORIGINAL one you posted.." Besides you are comparing a much SMALLER C280 to the larger GS3/400. That's like saying a 3 Series will outhandle a 7 Series..Oh wait it DOES! Duhhh...

just like when you are comparing the Toyota Yaris with a Mercedes S-class  Yeah sure

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 79):

Umm that article QUOTES the CEO of MERCEDES!! So you think you know more than Dieter Zetsche the CEO of Daimler Chrysler???

um no.. did I ever say that? I have a right to express my opinion.. its your problem that you don't like it.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 79):
Even with its' award winning quality, electronics, and Mark Levinson system it is STILL cheaper than the S-Class.

again you are too stupid to figure out that you can't compare it to the s-class. the LS430 is a sportscar just like the SLK which I compared to.. dude get a clue.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 79):
You are comparing an aftermarket Mercedes (AMG) to a stock Lexus? There are modified Mustangs that will blow the doors off of that car..

There are also other mercedes cars that could blow the doors off of any lexus like the sl65 amg or mclaren mercedes slr.. whats your point?  Yeah sure

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 79):
Okay Lexus has invented or brought to market the following before Mercedes

-World's first Luxury Hybrid
-World's first Eight Speed Transmission
-Adaptive Headlamps
-World's first Optrion Gauges (Light up when you turn the key) in 1989. We see this in Mercedes some TEN years later
-Knee Airbags
-DVD Based Navigation System
-CD Changer inside the car instead of the trunk
-Bluetooth Technology
-A 19 Speaker 7.1 Stereo System
-Industry first Hard Drive to store Mp3, et all
-iPod connectivity well before Mercedes
-Voice Activation (Infinti was first by a year I think)
-World's first Self Park Feature
-Backup Camera Before Mercedes
-the FIRST Car-Like SUV which spawned a bunch of copycats
-An industry leading 6 year 100,000 Mile Extended Warranty. Mercedes only offers an 18 month warranty. So much for being "Well Built." If they are so Well Built why doesn't Mercedes offer a longer warranty????
-Industry leading Retention and Quality scores. Most Lexus buyers will come back and buy another
-Industry leading Service. Lexus has been the benchmark for service since 1989.
-A Class leading V-8 Engine that has been ranked one of Ward's Ten Best engines. The Lexus LS430 is the only car that avoids the US Gas Guzzler tax in its' class..Been that way since 1989.
-Debuted with a class leading 4 cam 32 Valve V-8..Mercedes has only moved back to 4 valves per cylinder recently.
-Coming out soon with a 4.6 L V-8 that makes 380 Horsepower. Mercedes has a 5.5 L V-8 that makes 382

you are contradicting yourself again.. find a real proof instead of just a little text about the car. Then I'll listen

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 79):
Will your Mercedes dealer bring a brand new loaner to your door?
Will they give you a driver to take you anywhere you please? (If you elect not to take a loaner)
Will they feed you and offer you a business center so you don't lose any time?
Will they wash and vacuum your car if you bring it in?

The answers to the following question is No no and NO!
Imagine Lexus has done this in less than 20 years! The best has yet to come.

I will say this again: Dollar for Dollar Lexus cannot be beat. If you want to piss away $$$ for a Three point star you go right ahead...

again, wheres your proof? you are just letting out bs to prove a point that doesnt exist.
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 86):

Hey FlyMIA,

I was lucky enough to get to testdrive one of those a few days ago, "only" with the smallest engine though (3,2 liters)

It was really nice indeed!!
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 4:28 pm

Hey again GSGirl

My last car was originally from the US (1991 Cougar LS) and I could not get rid of that thing if my life depended on it. No one here was interested in buying it, even though it was in good shape. I ended up giving it to a relative in the US who took care of all the paperwork to move it back down there (he has a "friend" at the border), fixed it up, and was finally able to sell it.

So I would steer clear of that GS, besides as others have said, the price is way high for 100K+ miles.

If you only want to spend $25,000 and if you are buying something like a lexus or Jag, keep in mind the insurance costs. ICBC is a rip off. When I was looking at that 2004 Mustang GT, I got an insurance quote and it ended up being about $370 a month, which was more than the financing payment. And that's with my 40% discount! That didnt make sense to me.

Something else to keep in mind...

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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:05 pm

Thx Peter, you're right about ICBC being a ripoff, I guess that's one advantage of having a monopoly "Eh",but I really like that Jaguar,with a few modifications I could really see it looking rather sharp  Smile

might have to be JagGirl now huh LOLz

Tah Fah Nah @ Yah

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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 5:49 pm

Quoting GulfStreamGirl (Reply 92):
Tah Fah Nah @ Yah

lol  Smile
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:40 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 48):
Its the best car I have ever driven. I even test drove a VW Touareg the other day which is over 10 years newer than this one, and had a really nice cabin, but I still think this baby is the best one to drive

Yea the Treg is a great car. I never driven the V6, heard it was under powered but not to bad, VW is coming out with a new V6 with around 260hp. Also in Europe an V6TDI is avaible too. And ofcourse the V8 and the 5.0L V10TDI! 553lbs of torque

Quoting GulfStreamGirl (Reply 87):
LoLz ,thx for your reply FlyMia i think a Toureg is a lil out of my price range, I'm really only looking to spend about $25,000 Cdn,that might get me a quarter of a Toureg . It is a really nice car/suv though.

Well yea I guess. You can get a used 2004 V8 Touareg for around $33,000 so A V6 I would imagine could be as low as 27-29 grand? But I rather have a nice $25,000 sedan than a used V6 Touareg to tell you the truth. V6 is not enough power for the 5,300lb SUV. Maybe in a few years than?  

But for a car in your price range ever think about a VW Passat or Jetta?




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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 88):
right here: "Other features include: Xenon adaptive headlights, 3 stage heated front seats, retractable headlight washers, 17” alloy 330i rims, Premium Harmon Kardon sound system, and drives like a dream."

So you are posting someone's AD for SELLING their Car??? Oh we know how accurate those are! Get me a link from BMW and I'll believe you...

Quoting Lhrmaccoll (Reply 83):
Sorry, I didn't realise they had started spending money on their Lexus range. They used to be heavier toyotas with Bose speakers in them, nothing more, nothing less.

Shows how little you know about Lexus. They've NEVER had BOSE in their cars. They've had Pioneer, Nakaminchi, and now Mark Levinson..

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 89):
There are also other mercedes cars that could blow the doors off of any lexus like the sl65 amg or mclaren mercedes slr.. whats your point?

The Point is you are comparing a car with AFTERMARKET Mods to a STOCK Lexus. Are you going to compare a standard 747 to Air Force One next??

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 89):
you are contradicting yourself again.. find a real proof instead of just a little text about the car. Then I'll listen

I already did link to several reviews of Lexus. Try reading my links for a change.

http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=754&fArticleId=2853847
"The key models involved will be the hybrid drive Lexus GS450h, the European premiere of the 2006 Lexus SC430, the next-generation Lexus IS with a Lexus diesel engine and a world first - a dual chamber front passenger crash bag."

Hmm a world first??? Where is Mercedes dual chamber front airbag? Since you are the Mercedes fan prove ME wrong using Mercedes data!

Here is another:
http://bcautocentral.com/article?id=2488

"With the help of advanced direct injection and various other innovations, Lexus has overtaken BMW's 367 horsepower 4.8-litre V8, and nearly matches Mercedes-Benz's all-new 388 horsepower 5.0-litre V8. Keep in mind the fact that Lexus' engineers ensured that the LS 460's motor is even smoother, quieter and more refined, and you begin to see the many ways that they're superior to the traditional class leaders."

"the transmission is just as advanced. With eight speeds - yes, you read that right - making Mercedes' 7G-tronic and the ZF 6-speed auto BMW's 7 uses, also used in many high-end luxury cars by the way, seem like ancient history."

"Other noteworthy drivetrain advancements include the availability of a hybrid version, which Lexus hopes to pit against the M-B S600 and BMW 760iL currently in the $160,000+ market, providing the power of a V12 with the fuel consumption and emissions of a V6, for a substantial savings over the German super-sedans, no doubt"

Where is your Hybrid??? OH wait you don't have one...

"As always, inside, the LS is meticulously crafted with the best wood, leather and plastic that money can buy, but where other automakers have strayed from the path of simplicity with integrated modules and complex menus, the LS features a simple LCD panel with touch-screen controls ensuring ease of operation and use."

Oh yeah, it takes me 5 seconds to set a Radio Station in a Lexus...How long does it take to do that with the Command or iDrive??

Here is what an American Car Magazine Editor said:
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta.../vdp/articleId=108988/pageNumber=3

"It takes me 90 seconds to decide I'm not an S-Class fan. Not coincidentally, that's the exact amount of time it takes to turn on the radio, a relatively simple process once you find the switch, but tuning it is still no small matter"

So 5 Seconds versus One and a Half Minutes....Oh yeah that's progress..

Here's a Last Excerpt:
Lexus merely hinted at some of the multiple innovations of the LS during its Detroit launch, noting the world's first self-parking function (yes the car will actually position itself within a tight parking spot when reversing), as well as passenger body temperature sensors in order to heat and cool the cabin optimally. Lexus' highest priority, however, involves advancement in occupant and pedestrian safety, particularly in the area of active safety (i.e. accident avoidance). Look forward, therefore, to seeing such new features as Lexus' VDIM system, which incidentally recently won CAA's Golden Pyramid for Safety Innovation."

OOh wait? Award Winning?? No must be lies..

Where is Mercedes Self Parking System? You're the Mercedes expert you tell me..

Here is what Lexus says:
http://www.lexus.com/about/awards/ls.html

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 89):

again, wheres your proof? you are just letting out bs to prove a point that doesnt exist.

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/merce...edan_2005/15561/style_options.html

Ask and you shall receive: WRONG again..That is the option list for a 2005 S Class. What are you going to say now? Yahoo is wrong?

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 89):
again you are too stupid to figure out that you can't compare it to the s-class. the LS430 is a sportscar just like the SLK which I compared to.. dude get a clue.

WRONG! So you are claiming the LS430 is a sportscar now? Lexus seems to think otherwise:

http://www.lexus.com/models/ls/index.html



If you think that looks like a sports car, I suggest you have your Eyes checked..You can't even keep up with your own counterfactual arguments..

Oooh, who's being "Low" now? Why you have to resort to insulting people? My my, how the mighty have fallen..
Before you call me "Stupid" why don't you read your own posts.

Here is your whole Argument:Lexus is crap and copies everything.."Okay," I said, "Find some auto editor or data that says that.." You couldn't find a SINGLE Auto Magazine to back it up.

You claim Lexus copies and then post pictures comparing OLD Lexus cars to NEW Mercedes cars that look like the Lexus...Who is copying who again?

You claim BMW had an adaptive headlight system..You post an article that was written in July of 2003 and I post a Review of the RX330 from January of 2003 with the same system...You then claim I'm wrong because someone wrote that his BMW had this system in a SALES AD...

You claim the following:

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 48):
Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 45):
Hmm, Hybrid Technology mean anything to you? How about DVD based Navigation systems? Cars that park themselves? Eight Speed Transmission? Oh wait, they actually offer a car that has a CD Changer in the front unlike the outgoing S-Class..How about Voice Activation? Did MB have that in Sept 2000 when the LS430 came out? Noooo!

And all of these things were offered in the previous S-Class, way before any lexus car had any of this. Now it is just updated so its even better than the rest of its competition.

So you claim that Mercedes has had all these things since 2001? Funny I don't see ANY of those things on the old S-Class options list.

http://autos.yahoo.com/newcars/merce...edan_2005/15561/style_options.html


Looking at the new car it doesn't have it either:

http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...ndex.do?modelCode=S550V&class=07_S

So what are you going to say now?

So basically all you have proven is that you are an armchair CEO like all those whiny Teenaged kids on the Civil Av forums who claim that Boeing is better than Airbus for all sorts of spurious reasons...

You claim Mercedes has the highest quality cars. JD Power says you are wrong, Dieter Zetsche CEO of Mercedes says you're wrong. You say Mercedes is class leading in technology yet they don't even have the options the LS460 does..

Give it up, you have Zero credibility. I can't believe someone would actually post pictures of Older Lexus cars and then Brand NEW Mercedes cars and then turn around and claim Lexus is copying Mercedes...

I also can't believe someone who compare an Aftermarket modified Mercedes to a stock Lexus. How about I compare a jet against a Prop plane? If you want to get into BS Horsepower wars, there are STOCK Corvettes that will blow the doors of of any NON-AMG Mercedes.

You claim to know about cars and then turn around and say the LS430 should be compared to the SLK..So we're going to compare a Luxury Sedan to a Sports car??? How about I compare a F-22 to a 747 next time.

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 89):
again, wheres your proof? you are just letting out bs to prove a point that doesnt exist.

WRONG Again:

"Purchase a Certified Pre-Owned Lexus and you'll be given the same level of courtesy and respect new-Lexus buyers receive. You're not just buying a Lexus, you're buying into the Lexus ownership experience including niceties like complimentary car washes, concierge services, complimentary loaner cars, and your first oil and filter change at no charge [1]. "

http://www.lexus.com/cpo/benefits/ownership_experience.html

I love the fact you think you know more than me. I've already told you I'm a Management Consultant who specializes in the Auto Industry. Yet you still think you know more than someone who gets paid alot of money to be an "Expert." You claim I am stupid, yet I have a B.A. (First Class Honors) in Economics from Brandeis University (32nd in the USA) and an MSc in Finance and Economics from the London School of Economics. (Tied for 10th in the world, and 2nd in the world in Social Sciences: Source Sunday Times Review)

What your qualifications? Are you employed by an automaker, auto magazine, or an auto garage?

Do you have two degrees in Economics from top ranked Universities like I do? Are you from a school like Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, or Imperial? (US Counterparts: Harvard, Stanford, MIT, Princeton, etc etc)

What are your board scores? Did you place in the top 4% in National Exams like I did on the SAT? Did you graduate at the top of your class like I did at Brandeis?

Can you shell out $35K for a Lexus like I can? Can you pay the $100 an hour Service Fees like I can? Do you have ANY experience with the car dealer that wasn't on Daddy's Credit Card?

Before I engage in anymore inane conversations with you, I want to see evidence that have any qualifications to call me "Stupid" and know the Auto industry other than looking at "Daddy's car" everyday.


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RE: I Want A New Car....

Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting Flymia (Reply 94):

Yea the Treg is a great car. I never driven the V6, heard it was under powered but not to bad, VW is coming out with a new V6 with around 260hp. Also in Europe an V6TDI is avaible too. And ofcourse the V8 and the 5.0L V10TDI! 553lbs of torque

I would love to try the V10TDI! I have heard that the Touareg is actually pretty good off-road whereas other cars like the BMW X5 and the porsche cayenne are not so good offroad.. Did you know that you can also get the touareg with a W12 engine? not a diesel though..
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):
So you are posting someone's AD for SELLING their Car??? Oh we know how accurate those are! Get me a link from BMW and I'll believe you...

lol you never give up do you?
 Yeah sure well then show me a link to a lexus website where they state that they invented adaptive headlights.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):
The Point is you are comparing a car with AFTERMARKET Mods to a STOCK Lexus. Are you going to compare a standard 747 to Air Force One next??

bull. They tested it that way in the car test. It also said that they would prefer the Mercedes if you read the article.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):
I already did link to several reviews of Lexus. Try reading my links for a change.

Yes when you start reading my links  Silly

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):
Where is your Hybrid??? OH wait you don't have one...

oh wait. thats because mercedes doesn't need to copy lexus to get success. lol

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):
Hmm a world first??? Where is Mercedes dual chamber front airbag? Since you are the Mercedes fan prove ME wrong using Mercedes data!

why would I need to prove you wrong? mercedes invented side airbags. See that was a real revolution.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):
"It takes me 90 seconds to decide I'm not an S-Class fan. Not coincidentally, that's the exact amount of time it takes to turn on the radio, a relatively simple process once you find the switch, but tuning it is still no small matter"

that is a single guy's opinion. you can post all the reviews you like. You won't get around the fact that Mercedes-Benz S-class is the most popular in its class  Wink

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):
WRONG! So you are claiming the LS430 is a sportscar now? Lexus seems to think otherwise:

SC430.. my bad... jeez you make tons of mistakes too.. relax.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):
Oooh, who's being "Low" now? Why you have to resort to insulting people? My my, how the mighty have fallen..
Before you call me "Stupid" why don't you read your own posts.

um yes.. thats after you called me a snob like 5 times earlier. lol And I didn't call you stupid directly.. only if you were not able to realize that I am right  Silly

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):

So you claim that Mercedes has had all these things since 2001? Funny I don't see ANY of those things on the old S-Class options list.

first of all.. why would you need an 8 speed transmission? that sounds like a weak engine to me. GPS navigation system was indeed offered in the previous s-class as the first car in the world with this option.
Also, post me a link from a Mercedes website.. then I'll believe you.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 95):
I love the fact you think you know more than me.

Well if thats true, then why don't you show me where you saw that an s-class fell with 49% of its original value within a few years.. you said so. Or have you already forgotten?  Silly
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Sat Feb 25, 2006 12:36 am

taken from another interesting article:

"While Night View Assist helps the driver see what's up ahead, the S-Class is also equipped with radar sensors that can prepare the car if an accident is inevitable. The newest system uses two different radar frequencies to scan traffic in front of the car. A newly developed short-range radar covers the first 33 yards in a fan-shaped 80-degree pattern, working in tandem with a narrower beam of longer-range radar used with the DISTRONIC cruise control feature. The two radar frequencies complement each other to cover a full range of more than 160 yards."

source: http://autos.msn.com/advice/article.aspx?contentid=4023740

There is a very interesting video on the website with information you could learn a lot from  Smile

its only a matter of time before lexus copies this idea, rename it and claim that they invented it aswell just to fool people like you

[Edited 2006-02-24 16:47:36]
 
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RE: I Want A New Car....

Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:09 am

Children children children....jeez.. Can't both of you just back down and accept that you have different opinions? AP747 especially, Sv7887 posts more seriously, and don't use names etc.

Quoting Sv7887 (Reply 52):
Self Parking Feature: NOT Offered by Mercedes

So now I can drop myself off outside the mall and the car will park itself? Sweet Big grin

Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 97):
why would I need to prove you wrong? mercedes invented side airbags. See that was a real revolution.

Actually they didn't. It was invented by Autoliv, and first used by the Volvo S80, as well as Mercedes C-class.
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