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News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:48 am

You are are inundated with the bad news.

How about some good news?


Major General Rick Lynch gave a fantastic press briefing, which no doubt could not be aired because the latest American Idol was airing. He was on his game with the press. Here are the transcripts if you're interested: http://www.mnf-iraq.com/transcripts/060420.htm

But I will highlight:

--The Iraqi Parliament designated a new Prime-Minister, Jawad al-Maliki. He lived in exile during Saddam. He had a price over his head during Saddam, but vowed to one day return. Both Sunni and Kurdish political leaders have said they will support him. He vows to continue the build up of Iraqi forces, so that they can quickly work to the day when the hand over from American forces to Iraqis can be completed.

--Iraq has it own version of Green Berets --- in training ... and the Special Forces instructors taking them through their paces are all Iraqis. That's a long way from where they were nearly three years ago when this elite unit was first formed by American Green Berets.

--The Iraqi army and police in north Iraq have assumed control of security in Sulimaniyah and Salahuddin provinces, and are on track to take the lead in much of the area surrounding the city of Kirkuk.

--So if you look closely at what's happened, just before the first of the year, we were averaging about 44 captured foreign nationals per month, and now we're down to less than half of that. The effect of that is reduction in the number of suicide attacks in Iraq [per day]: over 70 a year ago, 24 now.

--We have reached the point where almost 50 percent of the IEDs are found and cleared before they detonate.

-- In all of 2005, we came across 2,880 weapons caches. Since the first of the year almost 900 weapons caches.

--But I believe that the most important indicator on these charts, on this quad chart, is this one. And that's the number of tips, actionable tips that we are receiving from the people of Iraq. They have indeed reached the point where they're tired of the insurgency, and they realize that they are indeed the target of attacks by the insurgency.

--There are 250,000 trained members of the Iraqi security forces, and that 25 percent of all security operations are independent Iraqi operations. And we are at the point now where at least 25 percent of the day-to-day company-level-and-above operations are Iraqi independent operations. They plan them, they execute them, they review them at the conclusion.

--In the villages around Kirkuk, Iraqis are taking the lead in security operations and intelligence gathering. This is more than just gathering information, it is gaining the trust and confidence of their people before taking control of the area.

--They [Iraqi Forces] are very good. They can come into these villages and do 10 times better than we ever could as far as gathering information just because they are Iraqis and they know the people better than we do and the culture better than we do.

--A tip from a citizen led Coalition troops to a weapons cache consisting of eight 250 to 500 pound aerial bombs.

--A tip led multi-national soldiers to a high-value target, who was arrested. In the same area, seven terrorists suspected of running a bomb factory were also arrested.

--Seven insurgents were caught digging up munitions in Balad. The site contained more than 250 mortar and artillery rounds, and several mines.

--Soldiers of the 4th Infantry Division discovered a weapons cache in a neighborhood of Baghdad: The cache consisted of 81 75 mm projectiles, 43 grenades, three 82mm illumination rounds, one 85 mm projectile, two 90mm high-explosive rounds and four 100 mm heat projectiles.

--Two other weapons caches were found in Baghdad: In the first house, the cache consisted of two 55-gallon drums of home-made explosives, two pressure plates, one artillery shell, a home-made rocket launcher, two pipes filled with high-explosive material, a seven-foot missile, a 14.5 mm Dishka heavy artillery machine gun and six anti-tank mines.

In the second house, located approximately 150 meters east of the first house, a second cache was found, consisting of eight shape charges, a sniper rifle, five pressure plates, three rocket-propelled grenades, an acetylene tank and two grenades taped to a window. The interior of the rear door appeared to contain an unfinished booby-trap.

--They [Iraqi forces] are fighting for their families... Despite being the target of numerous terrorist attacks, Iraqi police in Baghdad continue to make significant progress: "They've got heart. The Iraqi police love their job," he said. "The majority of them are fighting for their families, their communities, where they live. This is their home."

--An Iraqi village near the Baghdad airport now has clean drinking water: The mayor (of the village) had approached the (Soldiers). He said they had negative water pressure, which allowed sewage to get into the drinking water. "This is the biggest gift from the (Coalition) Forces to this village," said Esam Al Askar, managing director and chief executive officer, Al Fulq Ltd. Co. Al Askar is also a resident of the village. "People used to be very, very sick in the village. When the water pipes were rotten, sewage was leaking (into the water supply)."

--A spring festival is being held in Iraq through April 30. The festivals focus will be on a free and democratic Iraq: The festival, titled "Democratic Culture for a free Iraq" will primarily focus on reviewing efforts, perceptions and ideas that can enhance culture in order to conform with the democratic change witnessed by the various Iraqi factions.

--Groundbreaking for $200,000 in repairs to the Tarmiyah medical clinic took place recently north of Baghdad. The upgrades will include a new operating room and birthing room. Construction will be performed by a local company.

--Farmers on 3,000 acres in Rashidiyah formed a co-op with the help of multinational forces. The facility offers farmers tractors, tools, fertilizer, and seed for planting.

--Renovations to increase the loading capacity at the al-Basrah oil terminal are complete. The $434,000 project will allow the terminal to load more oil onto more ships.

--Marine Gunnery Sergeant Adam Taylor received the Bronze Star for his contributions in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom: Taylor is credited with re-writing the tactical signals intelligence concepts of employment and enhancing the capability of his Marines to provide cutting-edge intelligence when they needed it most.

--U.S. Army chef, Chief Warrant Officer David Longstaff, was awarded the Bronze Star with Valor for his actions in rescuing five soldiers pinned down by enemy fire.

--Marine First Lt. Jeffrey Lee - a tank commander - was awarded the Silver Star for his actions during a 12-hour firefight in Fallujah. He was shot and wounded in the arm while in an intense fire fight. He refused medical attention, instead he continued to fight the enemy. In spite of his gunshot wound, he pushed the assault two more city blocks to reach the battalion's objective.



So... how many of you back home hear about this stuff? How much air-time did 1LT Lee, or CW3 Longstaff, get on the news? Did they get more time than that teacher who had sex with her student? Did anyone know that IED attacks are down by 60%. What about the fact that battlefield re-enlistments are outpacing Army demand, how many knew that?


Video of the 101st's mission here in Iraq:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...38439077611117&q=iraq+hero&pl=true

A more somber video of Iraq:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5546662123397130790&q=Iraq&pl=true

-UH60
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[Edited 2006-04-25 04:54:44]
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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:50 am

Thank you for the update. Just to let you know, here is an a.net member who supports you 100% and I think that if you suceed, the world will be a better place.
 
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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:56 am

I know you and yours will succeed.

And it is a damn shame that that information doesn't get more air-time, or as you suspected ANY at all.

Stay safe and Godspeed.

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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:58 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 1):
here is an a.net member who supports you 100%

Make that 2

Good news all around UH60 . . .

Press the fight . . .
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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:00 pm

Wow.. we didn't hear any of this on TV!!!

Thanks for sharing this. I am truly glad to hear from you UH60FtRucker!
Be Safe and Keep up the brave work.

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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:02 pm

It's great to hear news from someone who actually knows what they're talking about!

Keep up the good work, and stay safe!
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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:04 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
Make that 2

Make that 3!
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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:07 pm

Thanks for sharing UH60, hopefully this will all work out. I still have my doubts in a country with an official state sponsered religion and two really opposite factions. Maybe they will figure it out.

hopefully the next stop won't be Iran.

Keep up the good work and get home safe.
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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:09 pm

From an a.netter who will be out there with you someday, thank you. I too am behind you 100%.
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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:09 pm

This is all indeed excellent news! Good job.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Major General Rick Lynch gave a fantastic press briefing, which no doubt could not be aired because the latest American Idol was airing.

A suggestion though, when material like this is presented with a condescending remark, it devalues it to a degree. I don't believe the American public needs to be referred to as a nation of airheads to get one's point across.
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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:10 pm

Quoting NeilYYZ (Reply 6):
Make that 3!

Make it 4.

I wonder why we've heard practically none of this from our media. Noooo, no slant at all on the War in Iraq. Our military is occupying and nothing else, doing nothing to help - God I'm really getting tired of this shit.

UH60FtRucker, thank you for your service, and remember, there are still Americans over here that support you 100%, even if you haven't been getting such vibes lately.



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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:14 pm

Great post! Thanks for the information, and you're right. Our media outlets seem to mostly have other things to talk about and present rather than the progress being made.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
-UH60
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Airborne!

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Major General Rick Lynch gave a fantastic press briefing, which no doubt could not be aired because the latest American Idol was airing.

A suggestion though, when material like this is presented with a condescending remark, it devalues it to a degree.

I'd agree except that he's telling the truth. It's a fact that none of this seems to have been as well presented by the media as American Idol coverage. Look at AOL for instance.....they have a running section on AmIdol while they print nothing but rehashes of the lowlights that the networks run.
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RE: News From Iraq

Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:26 pm

Quoting DL021 (Reply 11):
It's a fact that none of this seems to have been as well presented by the media as American Idol coverage.

I would agree, except that wasn't my point, which I won't belabor. I felt I was spoken down to as an American who has never once said an adverse word about our soldiers in battle. A diplomatic, recipricatory attitude would have been appreciated. There are a lot of us who actually do read the news, watch C-SPAN, and ask questions when things don't seem right.

Regardless, again, great job, UH60.
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Tue Apr 25, 2006 12:43 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 12):
I would agree, except that wasn't my point, which I won't belabor. I felt I was spoken down to as an American who has never once said an adverse word about our soldiers in battle.

I understood that, but I think that your perception of being patronized there was one of defensiveness since many assume that any criticism is being directed their way when it may just be in general.

It's like talking to my wife.....  Wink
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RE: News From Iraq

Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:00 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 9):
A suggestion though, when material like this is presented with a condescending remark, it devalues it to a degree. I don't believe the American public needs to be referred to as a nation of airheads to get one's point across.

That was never my intention. On the contrary, I think the American public is far brighter than the MEDIA gives them credit. The truth is, this war is too complex to explain through soundbites and 30 second images.

I don't blame the American public for not knowing many of the advances we're making over here. How could I? How could blame them, if they're not being provided the information?

And I am venturing on shaky ground here - but I think the Administration's biggest failure is their inability to get their message out and to lead a POSITIVE information campaign about the situation on the ground. Why isn't the President getting on tv on a regular basis, with maps and pictures spread across the floor of the oval, and him explaining what we're doing and what where we're going!?

I point with the American Idol comment is simple: How can any expect support for the war effort to hold steady when there is more media emphasis on catching the latest American Idol effort and not the latest news brief by Major General Rick Lynch?

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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:07 pm

Thanks for the update.
Glad to get some good news. My nephew is there with the 101 as a combat medic. Dont ask me what unit,I have no clue(must ask my sister). I will sleep a little better now knowing it not all doom and gloom.

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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:15 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
So... how many of you back home hear about this stuff?

On the regular news? Hardly ever. On http://www.defenselink.mil, quite often.

Good luck over there. I have a good friend joining you in a few months flying Seahawks doing SAR along with SEAL, Ranger, and Delta (I know...they don't exist) extractions peppered with some dropoffs into hot LZs.
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:27 pm

Keep the info flowing dude, can't trust the media, can't trust the govt but 1st hand experience is a different matter.

Don't you guys have a press office? or is the US Media not really into presenting the facts?
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:39 pm

Today I heard about some of the soldiers coming home from Iraq and getting turned into collection agencies for not paying back over paid combat pay. The problem is that when they got wounded they left combat but the combat pay continued. The government wants the pay back and they don't have it or their legs ... Too sad. Did you here about that UH60Ftrucker dude ??? Stay safe over there ... Any rumours about when we're going to hit Iran ???  Wow!
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:49 pm

"From an a.netter who will be out there with you someday..."

You have plenty of time kid.



Any rumours about when we're going to hit Iran ???

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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
how many of you back home hear about this stuff?

Not me...

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
How much air-time did 1LT Lee, or CW3 Longstaff, get on the news?

None that I've seen

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Did they get more time than that teacher who had sex with her student?

Absolutely

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
Did anyone know that IED attacks are down by 60%.

Nope

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
What about the fact that battlefield re-enlistments are outpacing Army demand, how many knew that?

Not I...


Like you said or insinuated.... the US media isn't interested in the success, only how many died in the daily suicide bombings. It's good to hear news from the frontlines that are positive... There was an article on CNN about 30,000 troops possibly coming home by the end of the year.

Keep up the hard work, regardless of how some Americans feel about the war, we all support you and are proud of what you are sacrificing... Keep it up, be safe, and return home soon

[Edited 2006-04-27 07:59:21]
 
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:35 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 19):

More proof, some parents shouldn't breed.

Agreed.   

What a waste of bandwidth on this site...

Aharon,

Keep kicking ass over there bro, give us some more photos when you get a chance.  Smile

[Edited 2006-04-27 07:36:39]
 
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 3:30 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
So... how many of you back home hear about this stuff? How much air-time did 1LT Lee, or CW3 Longstaff, get on the news? Did they get more time than that teacher who had sex with her student? Did anyone know that IED attacks are down by 60%. What about the fact that battlefield re-enlistments are outpacing Army demand, how many knew that?

None of this gets back home surprisingly. The day we were leaving to come here to Qatar, the teacher-student sex story was the lead-off story. Since being here, I get all my news from Stars and Stripes, AFRTS, and the internet here at the MWR centre. But thumbsup for the update.
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:36 pm

What a patriotic bullshit. Is a.net becoming a rally behind the flag medium?

It is a dirty war with all the un-nice things that come with it, sparsely broad casted on TV not to be accused of endangering the boys out there.

The press in Iraq doesn't dare to go out anymore to see what happening & is 99% reliant on official info. When that 1% slips thru everybody is "surprised" & says it's an incident that has been taken care of.

How do we think the US & Iraq forces really get the info on /out of the insurgents? Spontaneous tips? Really? .....

Nothing personally towards the no doubt mostly good boys & girls out there. However the world is increasingly misunderstanding & backing away from the Iraq offensive.

I think everybody agrees that there is no easy way out at this moment but that isn't a reason to ignore in one of the many many good news breaks from Iraq.

The numbers that are missing are the numbers of killed & wounded Iraqies and US people.
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 6:08 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 25):
What a patriotic bullshit. Is a.net becoming a rally behind the flag medium?
Edited to remove ban worthy reply.

I ain't no supporter of war nor pro-US but I do think we should allow a little good news to be spread...

[Edited 2006-04-27 11:11:17]

[Edited 2006-04-27 11:12:41]
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 7:18 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 25):
What a patriotic bullshit. Is a.net becoming a rally behind the flag medium?

If you don't like the thread then don't post in it or read it. I'll assume that you're from The Netherlands and don't get to see the nightly news over here in the States. If you did you would understand that you never hear anything good on the news about the goings on over in Iraq. It's nice to hear some good things out of the guys over there. They could use some morale boosters given the constant flow of pundits, reporters, and politicians that keep claiming how bad we are doing and running these guys into the ground with their poor attitude. It's not a rally behind the flag thing, it's just getting more information out to folks from the guys experiencing it daily.
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 10:43 pm

Quoting DeltaGator (Reply 25):
If you don't like the thread then don't post in it or read it.

Utter BS. Enough said about that.

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
What a patriotic bullshit.

You can't really believe that Iraq is all bad, can you? There are plenty of successes, just as there are plenty of setbacks. I know that Iraq is no Mr. Rogers' Neighborhood, and isn't going to be for a long time to come, but let's give some credit where credit is due - throw the criticism at the men in the suits who sit back and make stupid decisions instead of the troops on the ground who are doing their best to get stuff done and understandably take offense when they see that the public isn't getting the full picture.

Keep up the good work, UH60.

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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:08 pm

None of this negates the fact that 1. Saddam Hussein had no WMD. This was either gross negligence on behalf of the intelligence organisations of the US and UK, or a case of politicians lying in order to start a war and 2. the US and UK had no idea that Iraq would be in the state it is in today.

And it is in a state. Assuming all the information posted above is the good news, there's still a lot of bad news burried in there:

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):

--The Iraqi Parliament designated a new Prime-Minister, Jawad al-Maliki. He lived in exile during Saddam. He had a price over his head during Saddam, but vowed to one day return. Both Sunni and Kurdish political leaders have said they will support him. He vows to continue the build up of Iraqi forces, so that they can quickly work to the day when the hand over from American forces to Iraqis can be completed.

That's good, but it's now 2006! The President appeared in front of a sign saying 'Mission Accomplished' on May 1st, 2003. Why has it taken so long to establish some form of acceptable parliament? Bad planning or incompetance?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--The Iraqi army and police in north Iraq have assumed control of security in Sulimaniyah and Salahuddin provinces, and are on track to take the lead in much of the area surrounding the city of Kirkuk.

So despite the fact Iraq was poor, had no real military or tactics, three years on some parts of the country are still hostile?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
The effect of that is reduction in the number of suicide attacks in Iraq [per day]: over 70 a year ago, 24 now.

24 suicide attacks a day is a good thing?!

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
There are 250,000 trained members of the Iraqi security forces, and that 25 percent of all security operations are independent Iraqi operations. And we are at the point now where at least 25 percent of the day-to-day company-level-and-above operations are Iraqi independent operations. They plan them, they execute them, they review them at the conclusion.

25%? Long gone are the days when it was said that the US would go in quickly, the Iraqis would rejoice for being liberated and a new Eden would be created..

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--We have reached the point where almost 50 percent of the IEDs are found and cleared before they detonate.

So more than half are detonating?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--They [Iraqi forces] are fighting for their families

Tacit acceptance that you're not fighting for your family, that Iraq wasn't a threat to the US?

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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:10 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
It is a dirty war with all the un-nice things that come with it

Does that mean you think it's like Argentina? Do you have any idea what a "dirty war" really is? You really need to step back and gain some perspective.

What's more is that you refuse to acknowledge that positive things are happening and democracy is creeping up. This is sort of how you choose to interpret the Boeing/Airbus competitions. Nothing good can happen for the side you don't like.

Quoting Jafa39 (Reply 17):
Don't you guys have a press office? or is the US Media not really into presenting the facts?

A question that bears answering from people in a position to make changes in that regard.
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:26 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
You are are inundated with the bad news.

How about some good news?

How delightful that you can repeat the party line with such alacrity.

Whilst the Bush administration has sent you over to fight a loosing battle over trumped up charges, let's look at what it is costing the US everyday.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO) has estimated the cost of "prosecuting" a war against Iraq at up to $9 billion per month, on top of an initial outlay of up to $13 billion for the deployment of troops to the Persian Gulf region.

Summary of Iraq War Cost Estimates
CBO estimated the following costs for an Iraq war:

Initial deployment of troops: $9 billion to $13 billion
Conducting the war: $6 billion to $9 billion per month
Returning forces to US: $5 billion to $7 billion
Temporary occupation of Iraq: $1 billion to $4 billion per month

The federal deficit will hit a record $477 billion this year.*

Gas prices are at their highest levels, which have already caused a downturn in discretionary spending. How long before the economy suffers?

The infrastructure of these United States is in disrepair, but we spend millions to build schools in Iraq.

Our country is facing a healthcare crisis, but you boast about a new hospital in Iraq.

We had no business going to war with Iraq, it is breaking the backs of the American people, but good for you for finding something nice to say.


Now, don't pick out quotes from here and call me a traitor and unpatriotic, that is not the truth. We all believe in America, we just differ on the direction we are going.




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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:42 pm

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
Gas prices are at their highest levels, which have already caused a downturn in discretionary spending. How long before the economy suffers?

I love it. When gas prices were low in the summer of 2004 Kerry and the DNC was going around touting the "worst economy in 40 years." Gas prices move up and now the libs are predicting a downturn in the economy.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
How delightful that you can repeat the party line with such alacrity.

I'll accept arguendo all the stats you've cited as fact, but they can't be analyzed in a vacum. All UH60FtRucker was doing is painting a more complete picture of what's going on.

I'm damn proud that we've got men and women like him serving in our armed forces and laying it on the line. Whether you like it or not, W is the President and a majority of the American people voted for his re-election (no need to resort to electoral math our guy simply got more votes). Criticize his policies all you want. That's your right as a citizen. Get vodoo dolls of the entire Bush administration and stick needles through them if that makes you feel better. Rant about his policies on every internet forum, blog and public gathering you can find.

But please don't be so damn condescending to a guy that is hanging is ass on the line while we sit here and debate the policy behind it from the comfort of a safe and comfortable home or office.

If you libs spent half as much time actually working towards winning elections as you do whinning about why you lost and criticizing the guy who beat you, you might not have to whine as much.
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RE: News From Iraq

Thu Apr 27, 2006 11:49 pm

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 27):
None of this negates the fact that 1. Saddam Hussein had no WMD.

Saddam admitted to having all these WMDs after the first Gulf war. Where there are now? Good question? Destroyed? Moved to Iran or Syria? Not really sure but they have found WNDs over there. Not in the numbers that were expected but they have been found.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
Gas prices are at their highest levels, which have already caused a downturn in discretionary spending.

Iraq is not causing the higher gas prices. Higher demand by China and India along with reduced refining capacity in the US and elimination of MBTE as an additive and the lack of Ethanol to replace it have led to the higher prices.

And BTW, the prices are not the highest adjusted for inflation. You will still have to go back to the 1970s to find the highest prices. But go ahead and never let simple math stand in the way of trying to make a point.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
Our country is facing a healthcare crisis, but you boast about a new hospital in Iraq.

Of course, we should make sure everyone gets healthcare in the US. If you think we can't run a war overseas you actually think we can run a healthcare industry back home? Good luck with that as the government track record is pretty poor with social programs.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
How delightful that you can repeat the party line with such alacrity.

He's providing facts of what is happening over there. If anything the Administration doesn't do enough to get this news out there for folks to hear.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
Now, don't pick out quotes from here and call me a traitor and unpatriotic, that is not the truth.

Then where is the fun in pointing out your poor judgement on things or lack of math skills?
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RE: News From Iraq

Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:44 am

Quoting 777236ER (Reply 27):
Why has it taken so long to establish some form of acceptable parliament? Bad planning or incompetance?

Both. But not on the part of the soldiers - it's the leadership that's been doing the screwing up. The occasional screw-up by a soldier doesn't help, but for the most part they're doing their jobs.

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
We had no business going to war with Iraq, it is breaking the backs of the American people, but good for you for finding something nice to say.

The decision to go to war, right or wrong, was made a long time ago, and we cannot reverse it. Since we're there for the long haul now, wouldn't it be good to see progress, since a more stable Iraq at least means less American deaths? Sure, the original post is biased towards the positive, but the poster feels that it has to be in order to counter the negative bias that he perceives in the media. What would really be nice is if the media could get away from their 30-second stories and go further in depth, so that they could get a more accurate picture, and we wouldn't have these accusations of bias flying from everywhere to everywhere. I have a feeling that I'll be waiting for that for a long time.

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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 10:14 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
The numbers that are missing are the numbers of killed & wounded Iraqies and US people.

On US television, we get updates on the total number killed every time there is a fatality in Iraq.
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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:04 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 23):
What a patriotic bullshit. Is a.net becoming a rally behind the flag medium?



Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 29):
How delightful that you can repeat the party line with such alacrity.

What f*$K?

So.... good news cannot be shared? So... when I am sitting over here and seeing stuff that should be reported to the folks back home, but isn't, I should forget about it?

I wonder... if I posted about how much I hate this god damn fucking war, how I miss my wife and how much I long to go home... would you be so hostile to me? Or would you be embracing me with open arms and exploiting me as tool to bash your political opponents?

Day in, day out, I see some of the most horrific sights I human can witness. I see, first hand, how brutal human beings can be to their fellow man. I see people living, literally, in mud huts and living day to day. -- A world completely removed from the safety and comfort of the US/Europe.

And the only thing that keeps us going is hope and staying positive. The only thing keeping us going is the ability to see beyond the pain and death... and highlight the good that we're accomplishing. And you two jackasses want to take that away from us!? "Focus on the negative, screw the good?" Is that what you're saying?

The two of you can go to hell.

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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:18 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 34):
What f*$K?

So.... good news cannot be shared? So... when I am sitting over here and seeing stuff that should be reported to the folks back home, but isn't, I should forget about it?

Many times in the past, myself and others have posted "good News" items passed to us by friends and family.

Without fail - there are members here that can't see the forest for the trees and will always call the poster an idiot, or declare whatever has been posted as  redflag .

What I have noted in this thread - information passed from someone - you, UH60 - first hand from Iraq is that many, many folks that despise the war and have voiced said opinion on numerous occasions; they despise the US Government Administration and have voiced said opinion on numerous occasions . . . but not in this thread (with very few exceptions). That ought to speak volumes of the character of some members here.

UH60, I wouldn't let these two members - or any others of similar ilk - undermine the quality of this post, and don't let them get to you UH60.

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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:37 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 35):
Many times in the past, myself and others have posted "good News" items passed to us by friends and family.

But that falls on deaf ears or those whom are against any supprt for the war effort, pretend they don't see it. Everytime someone posts a posting thread over the Iraq war, the usual suspects go back to there far-left blogs and webpages posting deaths of US servicemen, Abu Ghraib stories(the NYT still pust Abu Ghraib stories in the 1st 12 pages of it's A section), or a Mother Sheehan story. The madness never ceases.

Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 33):
On US television, we get updates on the total number killed every time there is a fatality in Iraq.

If it bleeds, it leads.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 34):
So.... good news cannot be shared?

No, it's not accepted as legitimate. It's called spinning by, according to antiwar crowd, when it's about saving Iraqi lives, but it's news when the body count is reported.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 34):
"Focus on the negative, screw the good?" Is that what you're saying?

I can't say that Dtwclipper is saying that, but the rest of the lib press corps seems to suggest that. They tried to blow horns about the possiblity that the the news sponsored by the US military was making false propaganda to Iraqi public which was proven to be false. The number of typos found in the source was at the same level as NYT, WP. But that sort of vindication get stifled.

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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:44 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):


So... how many of you back home hear about this stuff? How much air-time did 1LT Lee, or CW3 Longstaff, get on the news? Did they get more time than that teacher who had sex with her student? Did anyone know that IED attacks are down by 60%. What about the fact that battlefield re-enlistments are outpacing Army demand, how many knew that?

And the answer is...because none of this *is* news. It's Public Relations.

Every single item listed does absolutely nothing to answer the ultimate question of any news story, or the purpose of the Iraq war in general.

1. who
2. why
3. where
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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:49 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 37):
And the answer is...because none of this *is* news

And that's bullshit Gavin . . . .

It's all news - the point is - it's not news that sells air time or magazines or newspapers . . .

Who's going to pick up the Anchorage Daily News with the picture of a new Iraqi Elementary School on the cover when they can pick up the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner with a picture of a burning Blackhawk on the cover?

Do you think, my friend, that the opinions of the general population might have a slightly different opinion, perhaps a degree or three, of the war in Iraq if some positive progress could be seen?
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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:18 pm

Incorrect. None of it is news. it is PR or blurbs that mean next to nothing for a news team. If any of this came to my desk, it would end up in the trash can, with the exception of the medals blurbs at the end, but those would sent off to local affiliates.


Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):

--The Iraqi Parliament designated a new Prime-Minister, Jawad al-Maliki. He lived in exile during Saddam. He had a price over his head during Saddam, but vowed to one day return. Both Sunni and Kurdish political leaders have said they will support him. He vows to continue the build up of Iraqi forces, so that they can quickly work to the day when the hand over from American forces to Iraqis can be completed.

and George Bush and Don Rumsfeld vow the build up of Iraqi forces here in the states. Maliki does it in Iraq. tell those in Iraq.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--Iraq has it own version of Green Berets --- in training ... and the Special Forces instructors taking them through their paces are all Iraqis. That's a long way from where they were nearly three years ago when this elite unit was first formed by American Green Berets.

tell those in Iraq. maybe more will join.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--The Iraqi army and police in north Iraq have assumed control of security in Sulimaniyah and Salahuddin provinces, and are on track to take the lead in much of the area surrounding the city of Kirkuk.

this answers none of the questions...who why where is this all going to?
what part of the "ultimate goal" is this apart of?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--So if you look closely at what's happened, just before the first of the year, we were averaging about 44 captured foreign nationals per month, and now we're down to less than half of that. The effect of that is reduction in the number of suicide attacks in Iraq [per day]: over 70 a year ago, 24 now.

why? where? who?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):

--We have reached the point where almost 50 percent of the IEDs are found and cleared before they detonate.

you're at war, you're going to find weapons lying about. surprised? and how is it known this is exactly 50%?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
-- In all of 2005, we came across 2,880 weapons caches. Since the first of the year almost 900 weapons caches.

same as before regarding weapons.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):

--But I believe that the most important indicator on these charts, on this quad chart, is this one. And that's the number of tips, actionable tips that we are receiving from the people of Iraq. They have indeed reached the point where they're tired of the insurgency, and they realize that they are indeed the target of attacks by the insurgency.

PR propaganda. no different than how people here at home react to fighting crime.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--There are 250,000 trained members of the Iraqi security forces, and that 25 percent of all security operations are independent Iraqi operations. And we are at the point now where at least 25 percent of the day-to-day company-level-and-above operations are Iraqi independent operations. They plan them, they execute them, they review them at the conclusion.

tell the Iraqi people this and they can put this in their armed forces commercials.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--In the villages around Kirkuk, Iraqis are taking the lead in security operations and intelligence gathering. This is more than just gathering information, it is gaining the trust and confidence of their people before taking control of the area.

again, more blurbs for the Iraqis.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--They [Iraqi Forces] are very good. They can come into these villages and do 10 times better than we ever could as far as gathering information just because they are Iraqis and they know the people better than we do and the culture better than we do.

even more PR for the Iraq's.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--A tip from a citizen led Coalition troops to a weapons cache consisting of eight 250 to 500 pound aerial bombs.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--A tip led multi-national soldiers to a high-value target, who was arrested. In the same area, seven terrorists suspected of running a bomb factory were also arrested.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--Seven insurgents were caught digging up munitions in Balad. The site contained more than 250 mortar and artillery rounds, and several mines.

zzzzzzzzz

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--Soldiers of the 4th Infantry Division discovered a weapons cache in a neighborhood of Baghdad: The cache consisted of 81 75 mm projectiles, 43 grenades, three 82mm illumination rounds, one 85 mm projectile, two 90mm high-explosive rounds and four 100 mm heat projectiles.

again. war. weapons. no surprise. more z's.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--Two other weapons caches were found in Baghdad: In the first house, the cache consisted of two 55-gallon drums of home-made explosives, two pressure plates, one artillery shell, a home-made rocket launcher, two pipes filled with high-explosive material, a seven-foot missile, a 14.5 mm Dishka heavy artillery machine gun and six anti-tank mines.

still no surprise.

and is this the best we think they have? apparently not. press on....

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
In the second house, located approximately 150 meters east of the first house, a second cache was found, consisting of eight shape charges, a sniper rifle, five pressure plates, three rocket-propelled grenades, an acetylene tank and two grenades taped to a window. The interior of the rear door appeared to contain an unfinished booby-trap.

and is *this* the best we think they have? didn't think so.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--They [Iraqi forces] are fighting for their families... Despite being the target of numerous terrorist attacks, Iraqi police in Baghdad continue to make significant progress: "They've got heart. The Iraqi police love their job," he said. "The majority of them are fighting for their families, their communities, where they live. This is their home."

who is this quote even coming home and what the heck does he know?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--An Iraqi village near the Baghdad airport now has clean drinking water: The mayor (of the village) had approached the (Soldiers). He said they had negative water pressure, which allowed sewage to get into the drinking water. "This is the biggest gift from the (Coalition) Forces to this village," said Esam Al Askar, managing director and chief executive officer, Al Fulq Ltd. Co. Al Askar is also a resident of the village. "People used to be very, very sick in the village. When the water pipes were rotten, sewage was leaking (into the water supply)."

who paid for this?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--A spring festival is being held in Iraq through April 30. The festivals focus will be on a free and democratic Iraq: The festival, titled "Democratic Culture for a free Iraq" will primarily focus on reviewing efforts, perceptions and ideas that can enhance culture in order to conform with the democratic change witnessed by the various Iraqi factions.

that's lovely. put this in another brochure at the Baghdad Days Inn.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--Groundbreaking for $200,000 in repairs to the Tarmiyah medical clinic took place recently north of Baghdad. The upgrades will include a new operating room and birthing room. Construction will be performed by a local company.

who paid for it?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--Farmers on 3,000 acres in Rashidiyah formed a co-op with the help of multinational forces. The facility offers farmers tractors, tools, fertilizer, and seed for planting.

who paid for it?

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--Renovations to increase the loading capacity at the al-Basrah oil terminal are complete. The $434,000 project will allow the terminal to load more oil onto more ships.

who paid for it? more oil?! will this help gas prices go down?



These might be the only news elements, depending upon audience. Most of the time this stuff will end up locally.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--Marine Gunnery Sergeant Adam Taylor received the Bronze Star for his contributions in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom: Taylor is credited with re-writing the tactical signals intelligence concepts of employment and enhancing the capability of his Marines to provide cutting-edge intelligence when they needed it most.



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--U.S. Army chef, Chief Warrant Officer David Longstaff, was awarded the Bronze Star with Valor for his actions in rescuing five soldiers pinned down by enemy fire.



Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):
--Marine First Lt. Jeffrey Lee - a tank commander - was awarded the Silver Star for his actions during a 12-hour firefight in Fallujah. He was shot and wounded in the arm while in an intense fire fight. He refused medical attention, instead he continued to fight the enemy. In spite of his gunshot wound, he pushed the assault two more city blocks to reach the battalion's objective.
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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 4:29 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 34):
The two of you can go to hell.

I read this, and you know what I think? This guy can't see any view but his own. Just because you fight in a war doesn't make you the authority the universe. Grow up.
 
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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 5:07 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 39):
Incorrect. None of it is news. it is PR or blurbs that mean next to nothing for a news team. If any of this came to my desk, it would end up in the trash can, with the exception of the medals blurbs at the end, but those would sent off to local affiliates.

Which is a demonstration of sublime ignorance. Unfortunately.

Furthermore it cements my opinion that the US Media could give a hoot in hell about anything that is NOT sensationalistic . . . and is a direct reflection on what exactly is wrong with the media in this country.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 38):
Do you think, my friend, that the opinions of the general population might have a slightly different opinion, perhaps a degree or three, of the war in Iraq if some positive progress could be seen?

You did not answer my question Gavin. . . . .

Quoting STLGph (Reply 39):
Quoting UH60FtRucker (Thread starter):

--We have reached the point where almost 50 percent of the IEDs are found and cleared before they detonate.

you're at war, you're going to find weapons lying about. surprised? and how is it known this is exactly 50%?

Since IEDs are the number one weapon that are killing and maiming everyone, US and Coalition and Iraqi military, and the civilians, this is a significant issue. But since there's no dead body to report - the media ignores it.

The rest of your prattle proves my point - and the point of others - if it ain't bleeding, don't show it to Channel 2 because they don't give a damn about anything that might be "good news".

Shameful . . . it's all about selling print or air time.
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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:36 pm

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 34):
The two of you can go to hell.

Because I don't agree with you, nor the propaganda produced by the administration and the armed services, does not mean that I have no respect for you or your colleagues in arms. Quite to the contrary, you have been tasked with a difficult (understatement of the day) mission, and I am sure that the separation from your home and family is heart wrenching.

However, I don't believe all is well in Iraq, and I fear that despite all the "good news" you've delivered, we have created the basis for chaos and more bloodshed.

Quoting UH60FtRucker (Reply 34):
Day in, day out, I see some of the most horrific sights I human can witness. I see, first hand, how brutal human beings can be to their fellow man. I see people living, literally, in mud huts and living day to day. -- A world completely removed from the safety and comfort of the US/Europe

Please don't lecture me on mans inhumanity to man. Many members of my family perished in the ovens of Buchenwald and Treblinka. I know how evil people can be. I have seen the pain and scars that these events have left on their lives.
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RE: News From Iraq

Sat Apr 29, 2006 11:53 pm

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 41):
Which is a demonstration of sublime ignorance. Unfortunately.

Furthermore it cements my opinion that the US Media could give a hoot in hell about anything that is NOT sensationalistic . . . and is a direct reflection on what exactly is wrong with the media in this country.

Stop blaming "the media" for everything. It has been found out time and time again that viewers want the basics....

1. If viewers want to hear about good news, they care more about good things happening locally than nationally or internationally.

2. If you're going to tell the viewers about anything that's "big," they want the basic "who, what, why" concept to be addressed right off the bat. If you don't address those, then they simply aren't interested. And each one of these blurbs above does not answer this.
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RE: News From Iraq

Sun Apr 30, 2006 8:40 am

I found the original post quite refreshing. We used to get all intel such as this on a daily basis but i suppose this is not of real value to the media.

The sebsequent negative replies are sadly not refreshing and are to be inspected as per every other Iraq topic put on this forum!!!!!!!!!!

On the flip side not all the bad news is reported either. I've witnessed numerous attacks and none appeared in the news. That said now much news actully shows the good that is being done? I only see this on Iraqi TV where you'd expect to see it.

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RE: News From Iraq

Sun Apr 30, 2006 9:43 am

Quoting TERRA (Reply 44):
That said now much news actully shows the good that is being done?

In the States? NONE. That simple. Even my friend, and resident media guru, STLGph has said as much. Nothing - virtually - mentioned in the thread opener is newsworthy in the States. What a shame.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 41):
Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 38):
Do you think, my friend, that the opinions of the general population might have a slightly different opinion, perhaps a degree or three, of the war in Iraq if some positive progress could be seen?

You did not answer my question Gavin. . . . .

Still my question is unanswered Gavin. . . .
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RE: News From Iraq

Sun Apr 30, 2006 2:40 pm

I believe this war has been a moral and practial disaster, but I still like to hear good news when there is good news. I am of course slightly skeptical of the filter that is put on news when the source is the US army itself: one because it can (and must) have elements of a pep talk, two because it is of course a public relations machine. I do know, however, that there are many soldiers there doing their best to restore the country, and that there are little successes along the way. The brother of a good friend of mine served in Iraq, and despite being against the war, complained that many scenes he saw and participated in (children gratefully hugging US soldiers etc.) were never reported.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 35):
there are members here that can't see the forest for the trees

Or the other way around. I think the forest is dying, but there are a few healthy trees. This thread is about the trees, so to speak. The problem is that most of these successes are things we broke being partially fixed. But I hope against hope that things will get better there, and soon.
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