Quoting Rolfen (Reply 47): I do - great food - Warm people - Cheap international phone calls - pot |
Those are some nice generic qualities that you could claim for most groups.
Harry
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Quoting Halls120 (Reply 48): While Australian law might indeed never change to accommodate sharia law, efforts to achieve this objective are themselves disruptive and inconsistent with moving to another country and trying to live in harmony with the law and culture of that country. |
Quoting VHVXB (Reply 49): Thats what I am thinking as well after reading the Telegraph. |
Quoting QANTASforever (Reply 51): The Daily Terrorgraph has completely missed the mark - my god, yesterdays headline was unbelievable! Piers Ackerman performed as expected. But should we be surprised? |
Quoting QANTASforever (Thread starter):
Now, that may be all well and good, but his singling out of certain sections of the Islamic community has prompted the head of the Prime Minister's Islamic Advisory Board to chastise the PM for comments he believes will lead to "Cronulla style riots" (significant and ugly race riots that happened at the end of 2005), and that the editorial and subsequent comments made by the PM will egender hatred. |
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
I agree that there is something fundamentally wrong if you pro-actively refuse to learn English, adopt the basic cultural values of your new home, and create an environment in which the next generation can't assimilate. But I'd seriously like to know what percentage of Mexican migrants or US born children of Mexican migrants under the age of 15 can't speak English or don't like GI Joe and/or Barbie as the case may be. |
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 42): Only muslims seem to be doing that. THEY are the problem, as politically incorrect as that is to say. The PM has no big need to go after Chinese or Indians, because they are peaceful. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 55): You speak of "Indians" forgetting that India has more than 100 mio Muslims and so is one of the largest Muslim countries. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 55): And the Indonesian community includes Muslims and Christians and others, and in general does NOT mix with the Arab or Turkish "crowd". |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 55): And finally, whenever what you write may have some truths, the "tradition" of "blowing yourself up" is of Asian origin (see actions of the NON-Muslim Tamil-Tigers) and may well spill back. |
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 56): If, statistically, 95% or more of violent rapes are carried out by men against women, and not by women against men, should we be careful to keep admonitions against violent rape gender-neutral, and criticized for any statements that suggest than female rapists aren't equally prevalent? |
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 57): ou speak of "Indians" forgetting that India has more than 100 mio Muslims and so is one of the largest Muslim countries. -- Which is why the problem is best described as Muslim in origin. |
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 57): their culture, |
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 57): The Tamils are a problem in India and Sri Lanka. I don't think they are a big worry to the rest of the world, so I think we can ignore that. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 59): quite to the contrary, it is NON-Muslim in origin. It is Asian in origin. And has nothing to do with Arab culture. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 55): And it both in the tube-bombings in London and quite recently the problem were Indian-Pakistani people and NOT Arabs. |
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 60): After all they are in a foreign land and must respect our laws and cultures. |
Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 61): It's no longer "foreign" and they have as much right to speak out about anything they wish just as we can. |
Quoting QANTASFOREVER (Reply 61): I agree that people should engage with their new country, but you need to remember that when they become Australians - this becomes their country too. It's no longer "foreign" and they have as much right to speak out about anything they wish just as we can. The individual merit of certain comments will be received by the Australian community on a case-by-case basis just as it is with any other public comment. It's the nature of immigration. We change them and sometimes they change us. |
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 62): That's true only up to a point. After they become naturalized, they shouldn't violate their oath of naturalization by remaining foreign. |
Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 63): oes it mean that these "foreigners" should stop speaking their native languages at home, outside the home, and in business? Does it mean you propose banning sale of all "foreign" food (what would Aussies do without Thai food)? Does it mean you propose banning ethnic, "foreign" language press? Does it mean that they must conform to the majority religion (ie Christianity in Australia)? Does it mean that they should only be interested in local sports (ie AFL, league and cricket in Australia)? |
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 60): And of course Japanese and other oriental cultures are nothing like Indian and Arab cultures. So how can you mix all the cultures and just call them "Asian"? |
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 60): were muslims...not hindus or christians or jews or anything...muslims...you simply have to accept the fact that the majority of terrorism today is being carried out by muslims. |
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 64): No, of course not. It means only that they accept Australian customs and ways in the appropriate venues. |
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 64): But I think that most people would, or should, aim for an assimilationist approach, in any case, in matters of law and politics. |
Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 63): Very well written. If everyone understands and embraces this perspective we wouldn't be having this debate at all. Our perspective of the world and experiences are much enriched by having people from other cultures living amongst us. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 55): And it both in the tube-bombings in London and quite recently the problem were Indian-Pakistani people and NOT Arabs. |
Quoting Springbok747 (Reply 60): And of course Japanese and other oriental cultures are nothing like Indian and Arab cultures. |
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 57): The Tamils are a problem in India and Sri Lanka. I don't think they are a big worry to the rest of the world, so I think we can ignore that. |
Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 66): But how do you classify Australian values? The problem is that populism and politics is beginning to hint that "Australian values" mean white, Christian values and multi-culturalism when it suits white, Christian people. |
Quoting BarfBag (Reply 68): They aren't a 'problem' in India. The Tamil Tigers are an extremist organization in Sri Lanka, who are fighting for a separate homeland in response to the majority Sinhala policies that exclude them. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 72): Are there family-links or political links between the Tamils (people in general) on Sri Lanka and those in India ? |
Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 70): i don't understand it...how do cultures such as UK, USA and Australia claim to be FREE when they basically tell you what language to speak and how to integrate |
Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 70): i don't understand it...how do cultures such as UK, USA and Australia claim to be FREE when they basically tell you what language to speak and how to integrate....integration happens naturally regardless, i think most people want foreigner to CONVERT, there's a huge difference and many confuse the two big time... |
Quoting JeepBoy (Reply 69): I think we have lost Australian culture and have replaced it with xenophobia and the desire of a quick buck. |
Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 66): But how do you classify Australian values? The problem is that populism and politics is beginning to hint that "Australian values" mean white, Christian values and multi-culturalism when it suits white, Christian people. |
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 75): But younger immigrants should at least make it a point to try to assimilate. Or else why are they in Australia? |
Quoting HKGKaiTak (Reply 76):
What if the "Australians" don't want them to integrate? Nobody seems to have thought that maybe the migrants did try, but felt rejected by the white, Christian majority? |
Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 21): |
Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 21): hear, hear. for eg, you should write to the singapore american school http://www.sas.edu.sg/ to make all the american students living in singapore to learn to speak either mandarin, malay or tamil. so far they only have mandarin as an "optional" foreign language. |
Quoting BarfBag (Reply 73): The only answer is for them to assimilate, so that their national identity supercedes their ethno-religious one - in any situation where the two compete, their identity as a citizen must be above that as a Muslim. That is the basis of the modern nation state. |
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 75): he has made the decision to adopt the customs of his new country |
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 75): Well, the immigrant has made that decision for himself. By immigrating to a country, he has made the decision to adopt the customs of his new country. I think it's only fair to expect him to maintain that decision or, if he no longer likes his new country, petition to move back to the old. |
Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 81):
negative! you're making that assumption for the person, people move for different reasons, they don't have to move for the reasons that you feel right for them....you don't have to adopt the customs of the country you move to... |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 82):
You ignore some facts of life : A) many or most "immigrants" have no choice, and it does not matter whether they like the new country or not |
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 83): You ignore some facts of life : A) many or most "immigrants" have no choice, and it does not matter whether they like the new country or not But wouldn't it be their obligation to try to adapt? I would strongly urge that it is. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 84): in fact MOST of immigrants try their very best to do so. And most even do so quite successfully, that means to adapt. To adapt means to find the required compromise, but it does NOT mean to forget everything, to give up everything. It simply means to find the necessary compromises and to find the way through in the frame of a bi-cultural identity. |
Quoting Pilotaydin (Reply 81): you don't have to adopt the customs of the country you move to |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 82): D) many in a way DISlike both the "new" AND the "old" country and have nowhere else to go |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 80): The bi-national and bi-cultural identity for most simply is reality. You may have noted that even those "outer-suburbs-Parisians" who rioted last year speak French and behave in the French way, so that even somewhat disadvantaged folks are heavily integrated. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 84): To adapt means to find the required compromise, but it does NOT mean to forget everything, to give up everything. It simply means to find the necessary compromises and to find the way through in the frame of a bi-cultural identity. |
Quoting BarfBag (Reply 88): radicalisation is NOT an option |
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 89): But it DOES require you discard and forget anything that is incompatible with the culture of the host country. If, for instance, you think Sharia law is a good idea, you must not live in France or Australia. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 91): For Sharia lovers, Europe is the best thing on earth in reality. |
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 92): These people should be deported, if they can be identified. |
Quoting Docpepz (Reply 78): English is one of the four official languages in Singapore. |
Quoting Docpepz (Reply 78): onsidering that besides danger signs, everything else in Singapore is in English only,the politicians only speak in English, the working language is english and the medium of instruction in local schools is english |
Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 94): can speak english, mandarin and malay |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 95): in view of the difference between the three languages this is admirable, BUT is it really necessary ? |
Quoting AerospaceFan (Reply 87): If a refugee does seek our shores, how can we reject him? |
Quoting Cfalk (Reply 89): National identity MUST take precedence over any other religious or cultural identity. |
Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 90): The young people in question, mostly people of African and of Arab origin, in many many ways showed to be very very very French. French people may not like this, but it is the truth. Few of the young people of Arab origin are fluent in Arabic, and few of them have any decent knowledge of the Arab World, their world indeed is France. |
Quoting Docpepz (Reply 78): Of the Asian Australians I know (asian but born in Australia and speak like Australians) they say that to succeed as a minority, you got to work twice as hard and be twice as smart as the average white australian. It could possibly be true, and I'm sure this situation is not unique to Australia. |
Quoting QANTASforever (Thread starter): Which is why the problem is best described as Muslim in origin. The vast majority of Indians are not Muslim, and pose no threat at all, but I would look twice at one named "Muhamed" or something similar |
Quoting QANTASforever (Thread starter): Which is precisely what Cfalk is talking about. The problem here is the Muslim community. Those idiots who carried out those bombings were muslims...not hindus or christians or jews or anything...muslims...you simply have to accept the fact that the majority of terrorism today is being carried out by muslims |
Quoting HKA (Reply 98): Can someone define what terrorism is ? Is it only bombings carried out by muslims or also murder of an innocent in cold blood that causes panic ?? |