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Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:17 am

Make no mistake. Nancy Pelosi is a liberal from San Francisco ready to pursue her extremist agenda in the House. The "only minority leader who has been hit with fines for fund- raising violations" is far from mainstream America and a real danger to the nation.

The GOP deserves every loss they will suffer next Tuesday. Nonetheless, Nancy Pelosi as the next Speaker of the House is a price way too high to pay.

Her record:

Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

And so many other shameful votes.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:25 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

Sorry, but none of these seem bad to me. She's pro-choice, pro-Seperation of Church and State (school prayer during the War on Terror, are you serious ? Someone actually proposed a law about that ?  rotfl  tee hee !), pro Freedom of expression, pro-environment, anti death penalty, pro Habeas Corpus. What possible rationale could you present to explain why any of this is bad ?
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:26 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record.

She can't be all bad, then!  mischievous 
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:31 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
And so many other shameful votes.

With this crowd that isn't the record of shame you think it is SFOMEX, it's a badge of honor. As scary as that sounds, its true.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:34 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 3):
With this crowd that isn't the record of shame you think it is SFOMEX, it's a badge of honor. As scary as that sounds, its true.

By this crowd, I take it you mean "people who live in free, non-repressed, non-puritan, non-paranoid societies". Don't worry, you'll catch up if you try  Smile
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:37 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
What possible rationale could you present to explain why any of this is bad ?



Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)

This vote is a good example of her extremism. For the sake of not disturbing her NARAL friends, she voted AGAINST making a crime hurting/killing a baby if the pregnant mother is the victim of a violent crime. How anybody could be against this piece of legislation?
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:38 am

I wish I could vote for her!
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:38 am

What do you care? Stay on in Mexico where its so much better, where Nancy Pelosi won't be forcing her "shameful" agenda upon you and where you can worship those Republicans who use Mexican migrants as fodder to win elections.

Hypocrite.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Make no mistake. Nancy Pelosi is a liberal from San Francisco ready to pursue her extremist agenda in the House.

LOL. Yeah. The separation of Church and State is an extremist agenda. So is treating Mexican migrants with respect.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:51 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

Since when should the Christian Coalition "rating" matter? We all know their agenda.
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:09 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
ready to pursue her extremist agenda

Since you're the one out of step with 90% of the civilised world, don't you think you should be asking yourself whose agenda is actually extremist - hers or yours ?
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:36 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):

Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

OH NO!!!!


 Yeah sure
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:50 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

Good.

Anything that pisses off the religious wrong (I refuse to call them 'right') I can support.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:09 am

Her voting record is spot on.....Hurry up Tuesday, and say goodbye to the "rubber stamp" crowd.
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:10 am

Assuming the Dems retake the House, which is STILL only a possibility at this point, I think Pelosi will surprise people and not be as extreme as many hard-core right-wingers fear.

First of all, she will have a more prominent position (most Americans still don't know who the hell she is, mostly just the partisan voter types are obsessed over her) so she will not be as free to pursue a liberal agenda. After all, Frisco is certainly not representative of "mainstream" America, although it is one of America's great cities.

Second, even if the Dems make significant gains this season, they can still blow it in '08. Thanks to the gerrymandering in Texas that Tom Delay helped engineer, it's going to be VERY tough for the Dems to gain and hold more seats in the House. The system has been jerry-rigged to work against them. And it'll take YEARS and some devious machinations of their own in order to "right the balance."

Finally, all the polls seem to show that the legislation they plan to work on in the first 100 days (should the Dems win) is highly favored. Things like a modest minimum-wage hike and investigative committees on the bungling of the Iraq war all have very high approval ratings.

If Pelosi can attain these popular things in the first 100 days, I think she'll be able to establish an aura of crediblity that will be tough for the GOP to crack.  Smile
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 7:30 am

What makes you think that the Democrats will make her Speaker of the House? While she may be the Democratic leader in the House, the Democrats winning a majority in the House wouldn't automatically make her Speaker. While traditionally, the Speaker is the leader of their party, the position is elected. The party could choose not to nominate her for the position, plus the members of the House are not obliged to vote for either candidate for speaker (each of the two major parties nominates a candidate) and can vote for whomever they please. If the majority party's margin is razor thin, the other party's nominee could potentially sneak in even though the other party is the majority party.
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:11 am

Quoting UALPHLCS (Reply 3):
With this crowd that isn't the record of shame you think it is SFOMEX, it's a badge of honor. As scary as that sounds, its true.

Only someone with crippling narrow-mindedness would find another persons opinion 'scary'.

It's not right or wrong, it's just different from what you believe.

And with the landslide expected on Tuesday, the American people will have spoken in favor of this agenda. It's democracy in action, it's America. It's not scary.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:26 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 16):
What makes you think that the Democrats will make her Speaker of the House?

I'm hoping the democrats choose Steny Hoyer. He'd be an exemplary Speaker, able to work across party lines to get things done.

Pelosi isn't by nature someone who compromises. As Dan Thomasson in Capitol Hill Blue notes: " The San Francisco congresswoman is an attractive and vivacious 66-year-old mother whose major flaw appears to be her determination to prove she is as tough as any man. The uncertainty would be whether she can sublimate her natural inclination for attack politics enough to get much done with a wounded but still strong Republican minority and a GOP president she has disparaged at every opportunity.

Pelosi learned her craft at the knees of a family of Eastern machine politicians _ her father was mayor of Baltimore _ and was raised on New Deal philosophy. She has revealed little appetite for compromise in her tenure as House minority leader. Nor, for that matter, has she expended much effort on positive solutions, preferring a negative, confrontational approach to major issues as the formula for winning back the chamber her party lost 12 years ago."
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:40 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)



Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)



Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)



Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)



Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)



Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)



Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
And so many other shameful votes.

Yeah... oh so shameful...  Yeah sure

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

The only thing bad about that is that she wasn't ranked lower.  Wink
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 8:54 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 17):
Only someone with crippling narrow-mindedness would find another persons opinion 'scary'.

It's not right or wrong, it's just different from what you believe.

OH GOOD! With this sort of thinking, one could forgive Hitler and Osama bin Laden for simply just having different views and thinking differently. After all, to quote you, "only someone with crippling narrow-mindedness would find another persons opinion 'scary'."  sarcastic 

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Sorry, but none of these seem bad to me. She's pro-choice, pro-Seperation of Church and State (school prayer during the War on Terror, are you serious ? Someone actually proposed a law about that ? tee hee !), pro Freedom of expression, pro-environment, anti death penalty, pro Habeas Corpus. What possible rationale could you present to explain why any of this is bad ?

You can't find anything wrong with at least of them? Are you out of your mind? Sure I can accept some of these as her having a different system of beliefs, others I don't know enough about to comment.
But come on:
Voting NO to making it an additional crime for hurting a fetus of an expectant mother during pregnancy?
Voting NO on the interstate transporting of minors to get an abortion?
Voting NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime?
Voting NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment?
You don't see anything wrong with these? How far out in left field are you?

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 17):
And with the landslide expected on Tuesday, the American people will have spoken in favor of this agenda. It's democracy in action, it's America. It's not scary.

First, Nancy Pelosi does not represent America as a whole. She represents the views of the people of the 8th District in San Francisco, which I don't think anyone can deny is one of the most liberal areas of the country.
Second, even if the Democrats do gain control of the House on Tuesday, it does not even mean every person who voted Democrat is in favor of this agenda. On top of that, the American people will have no say in who is elected Speaker of the House should the Democrats gain control of the House.

Quoting Nancy (Reply 6):
I wish I could vote for her!

I wish I could vote against her.

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 7):
So is treating Mexican migrants with respect

Yea, asking people who wish to come here to come into this country legally, wait their turn in line, and allow us to know that they are in the country is such a bad thing. Tell me why those who show no respect for the law should themselves be treated with 'respect'.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:05 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):
OH GOOD! With this sort of thinking, one could forgive Hitler and Osama bin Laden for simply just having different views and thinking differently. After all, to quote you, "only someone with crippling narrow-mindedness would find another persons opinion 'scary'."

Congrats, you've just identified yourself as another right wing pawn, capable of making outrageous leaps of logic!

Thanks for doing that early. Now I know not to take you seriously!  Smile
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 10:12 am

Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)

Care to explain how this is a bad vote? Lethargic increases in CAFE standards are the primary reason the US lags behind most other developed countries in energy efficiency.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:24 am

The Republicans are more than deserving of slaughter that's coming on Tuesday, and I for one will applaud

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother's life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

Thank you for reaffirming my support for her coming ascension to the position of House Majority leader.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:34 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
Now I know not to take you seriously!

I can assure you that you're simply returning the favor.

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
Congrats, you've just identified yourself as another right wing pawn

Yeup, I'm such a pawn for the right wing that I voted Democratic for the Senate race in Florida between Bill Nelson and Katherine Harris.  sarcastic 

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 21):
capable of making outrageous leaps of logic!

You didn't specifically say "Nancy Pelosi". You said "anyone". I can repost what you said if you'd like me too. But for the reading comprehension classes that I have taken, well, anyone implies just that: anyone. Anyone from me to you to Nancy Pelosi to specified Pelosi, I can still say that I also find many of Nancy Pelosi's positions on some issues "scary" and there are other positions where I can agree that it is simply having a different view point and there are even a couple where I agree with her, including voting no to the flag burning amendment. I agree with her that being able to burn the flag is an important part of protecting freedom of speech. But you care to tell me what is wrong with feeling that some of her views are in fact "scary", besides giving me a simple "they think differently", seeing as how that doesn't quite cut it.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 11:57 am

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 24):
Yeup, I'm such a pawn for the right wing that I voted Democratic for the Senate race in Florida between Bill Nelson and Katherine Harris. sarcastic

Oh wow...THERE'S a leap of faith! Big grin

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 24):

You didn't specifically say "Nancy Pelosi".

Is that not who this post is about? Was a comment about her not what I was replying to? I'm sorry you need things spelled out for you. Seems like you're wasting your time with those reading comprehension classes.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 24):
You said "anyone". I can repost what you said if you'd like me too.

Please do. I'll help you, it's reply #17. One request tho, I'd like you to highlight the word 'anyone' in my post. Make it nice and bold, if you would please.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:04 pm

I do hope we have a big change in congress on Tuesday to do away with the rubber-stampers.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):
She represents the views of the people of the 8th District in San Francisco, which I don't think anyone can deny is one of the most liberal areas of the country.

This is precisely why she would make a TERRIBLE speaker in my opinion. We need to put people in such legislative influential positions who are middle of the road and willing to compromise. After all, we ALL live here, not just extreme liberals. It's the same reason why we wouldn't want Pat Robertson in such positions. Because 80% greatly disagree with such extreme ideals.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

I think we all know where you stand on the political spectrum now.
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:06 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 25):
Is that not who this post is about? Was a comment about her not what I was replying to? I'm sorry you need things spelled out for you. Seems like you're wasting your time with those reading comprehension classes.

You didn't answer my question. What is wrong or narrow minded with finding another person's views scary?

[Edited 2006-11-05 04:08:38]
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:13 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 27):
You didn't answer my question. What is wrong or narrow minded with finding another person's views scary?

Oh no no, you first. Repeat my post and highlight 'anyone' like you said you would, I insist! Big grin
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:17 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 28):
Oh no no, you first. Repeat my post and highlight 'anyone' like you said you would, I insist!

Okay, so you said "another person" instead of "anyone". My mistake, even though they both mean exactly or close to the same thing.

Now answer the question: what is wrong or narrow minded with finding another person's views scary?

[Edited 2006-11-05 04:19:06]
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:42 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 29):
Okay, so you said "another person" instead of "anyone".

Um, no but nice try. I refuse to be 'Kerryed' by letting you get away with saying I said something I did not!

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 29):
Now answer the question: what is wrong or narrow minded with finding another person's views scary?

I'm going to go slow for you here, since you tried to twist my words once already and wound up making a fool out of yourself...

When speaking in the context of American politics, saying another opinion is 'scary' implies they're wrong, and implies that everyone who agrees with said opinion is crazy, especially when the people who agree are a majority. You are welcome to disagree, but it's not crazy.

Again, it's not right or wrong, it's just a different way of thinking.

[Edited 2006-11-05 05:08:27]
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:47 pm

Quoting SaturnVRocket (Reply 26):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 20):She represents the views of the people of the 8th District in San Francisco, which I don't think anyone can deny is one of the most liberal areas of the country.
This is precisely why she would make a TERRIBLE speaker in my opinion. We need to put people in such legislative influential positions who are middle of the road and willing to compromise. After all, we ALL live here, not just extreme liberals. It's the same reason why we wouldn't want Pat Robertson in such positions. Because 80% greatly disagree with such extreme ideals.

I don't think it has to do with where Pelosi is from. Dianne Feinstein is from CA, lives in SF, and is a well-respected Senator.

Pelosi will be a lousy speaker because she doesn't compromise. That's why I hope the democrats make Steny Hoyer the Speaker.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 12:52 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 4):
Don't worry, you'll catch up if you try

Thanks, but I'm into progress.

Quoting Nancy (Reply 6):
I wish I could vote for her

. . . to try out some new and improved lobotomy treatments  silly  .

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
Since you're the one out of step with 90% of the civilised world, don't you think you should be asking yourself whose agenda is actually extremist - hers or yours ?

What polls are you watching?

Quoting Duff44 (Reply 13):
Anything that pisses off the religious wrong (I refuse to call them 'right') I can support.

Glad that bitterness isn't affecting your life  sarcastic  .

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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:25 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 30):
When speaking in the context of American politics, saying another opinion is 'scary' implies they're wrong, and implies that everyone who agrees with said opinion is crazy, especially when the people who agree are a majority. You are welcome to disagree, but it's not crazy.

First care to back up that the way she voted on each of those points is the same belief as the majority of America? Maybe I'm high, but I don't think the majority of America supports the legality of transporting minors across state lines to receive abortions and that's just one example.
Second yes, there are times when I can disagree with someone and say they are wrong. There was a time when "American politics" included segregation and slavery, and at one point those were supported with majorities. There are also those in America who still believe in Nazi doctrine, and the KKK still exists today. There are those within environmental groups such as Green Peace or organizations such as PETA that I would say yes, their beliefs (and tactics) are scary. And what about the "God Hates Fags" groups?
Am I wrong to say people who support/ed segregation, slavery, and Nazi doctrine or are in the KKK are/were wrong? Am I wrong to say these beliefs were/are "scary"? Or should I accept that these people, at least those living in a modern society, have a different way of thinking?

Sorry pal, there are people who have beliefs that are "wrong" and "scary", whether you wish to see it or not.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:35 pm

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 33):
First care to back up that the way she voted on each of those points is the same belief as the majority of America?

Sure, I'll get back to you on Tuesday.  Wink

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 33):
There was a time when "American politics" included segregation and slavery, and at one point those were supported with majorities. There are also those in America who still believe in Nazi doctrine, and the KKK still exists today. There are those within environmental groups such as Green Peace or organizations such as PETA that I would say yes, their beliefs (and tactics) are scary. And what about the "God Hates Fags" groups?
Am I wrong to say people who support/ed segregation, slavery, and Nazi doctrine or are in the KKK are/were wrong? Am I wrong to say these beliefs were/are "scary"? Or should I accept that these people, at least those living in a modern society, have a different way of thinking?

Sorry, but no, I don't see anything in her voting record there to compare her to any of those extreme examples, further, nothing unbiased people would consider 'scary'.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:36 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (

Since the bankruptcy rules, in this horrible banking bill passed last year has been a windfall for banks, and has further put the screws on the middle class-which was it's intention, SFOMEX, then I give her a bit  checkmark  for that. One of the worst pieces of legislation ever to pass Congress.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent.

Good for her. We survived for 200 years without the Patriot Act, and it isn't needed now.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance.

Mercy! Makes her a traitor, I guess. What does the pledge need protected from: people using their RIGHTS to exclude "under God", if they so choose. We DON'T NEED such an assinine amendment, SFOMEX! The Amendment process is for SERIOUS issues!

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration.

Again: WE DON'T NEED SUCH AN AMENDMENT. The flag doesn't need protected from what, the maybe 2 times in a decade it might get burned. The flag is diminished if people like you get your way, and try to legislate patriotism. Give her another  checkmark  for that one.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment.

Again, the banks made out like bandits, and it was another "fuck you" to the middle class from the Repubican party. Good for her.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals.

Mercy! Maintaining RIGHTS for people! How dare she!

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder.

Good for her

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror.

I don't want Christian prayers in my kids' publics schools! Keep them where they belong-in the home, and at Church. This is NOT a Christian nation, SFOMEX, so keep that stuff out of public school.

Good for her.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy.



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy.

You mean that one where Cheney had all the secret meetings with his rich energy cronies? Good for her.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 1):
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels.

Nothing wrong with that.

Maybe Peolsi isn't the extremist, SFOMEX-maybe YOU are, because you're so far to the right in your views.

I'm gonna kind of enjoy having "Madam Speaker", if just to piss of right wingers like yourself. We've had to deal with the arrogance and corruption of the likes of Tom Delay from your wonderful party-no one can be worse than that, SFOMEX.

I'll enjoy your bitterness for the next few years.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:38 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Make no mistake. Nancy Pelosi is a liberal from San Francisco ready to pursue her extremist agenda in the House. The "only minority leader who has been hit with fines for fund- raising violations" is far from mainstream America and a real danger to the nation.

The GOP deserves every loss they will suffer next Tuesday. Nonetheless, Nancy Pelosi as the next Speaker of the House is a price way too high to pay.

Her record:

Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

And so many other shameful votes.

Very good...and I couldn't agree with Nancy more on 90% of these. And if it pisses you or anyone else off about these votes, then something good has got to come of it. Go Nancy, Go Nancy, Go, go, go go Nancy!

Oh, and by the way, if she can figure out how to tax you and your fellow neo-con fascists into the poor house, I'd drink her bath water.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:39 pm

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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:57 pm

What makes me laugh really is how the Republicans go branding the Liberals for being such horrible people by opposing their bills, but they won't accept being called the same for the opposite. I hope for a changing of the tables this election. It's time for America to Unite For Change Tuesday.
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 1:57 pm

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 34):
Sure, I'll get back to you on Tuesday

I thought we covered that a vote for a Democrat is not a vote for Nancy Pelosi and her personal beliefs, unless you're suggesting all the Democrats in Congress vote as Ms. Pelosi commands them to.
Second, I remember these same cocky attitudes from libs going into November 2, 2004. We'll just wait and see what happens on Tuesday. I won't be shocked if the Democrats win the House and/or the Senate on Tuesday, but I'm not going to make guarantees one way or the other.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 35):
I don't want Christian prayers in my kids' publics schools! Keep them where they belong-in the home, and at Church. This is NOT a Christian nation, SFOMEX, so keep that stuff out of public school.

Apparently Falcon, you don't understand the difference between "mandating" and "allowing". I don't see anything wrong with allowing prayer in school as long as it's not mandated.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 35):
Again: WE DON'T NEED SUCH AN AMENDMENT. The flag doesn't need protected from what, the maybe 2 times in a decade it might get burned. The flag is diminished if people like you get your way, and try to legislate patriotism. Give her another for that one.

Whoa. Falcon, Pelosi, and I agree on something.
I do agree that being able to burn the flag is an important part of Freedom of Speech. However, should someone burning a flag set themself on fire, I will only point and laugh rather than offer any assistance.   

Quoting Scamp (Reply 37):
Oh, and by the way, if she can figure out how to tax you and your fellow neo-con fascists into the poor house, I'd drink her bath water.

        
Yea, that's pretty much all a comment like this gets.

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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 2:17 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

I cannot think of a more glowing endorsement than to be rated so low by this bunch of narrow-minded and hateful simpletons. Truly a badge of honor.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:31 pm

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)

Please keep in mind "she voted for the Unborn Victims of Violence Act in 2001 that makes it a federal crime to commit violence against a pregnant woman that interrupts or terminates her pregnancy" quoted from her Wikipedia page. She changed her vote in 2004 because it created 2 separate crimes, one against the mother, and one against the fetus. This can be viewed as a backdoor attempt to make abortion legal by giving a fetus legal standing.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)

You are aware that human cloning in this sense isn't to create something of an army ala Star Wars right? Human cloning is an attempt to do one of two things. First for medical treatment, such as allowing a liver to be cloned for someone who needs a transplant. Second infertile couples could use this cloning method to have a child with their DNA passed on to their child.


Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)



Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)

As Falcon has pointed out, first off this helps big business more than the little guy. Secondly, if they are going to have bankruptcy reform lets do it to businesses as well. Chapter 11 is now considered an accounting tool that is used by many companies to lower their costs, while again sticking it to the little guy.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)

The USA PATRIOT Act is the epitome of a reactionary law. I have proudly voted twice for the only senator to vote against the USA PATRIOT Act when it came out.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)

Protected from what precisely? The only protection it ever needed was in 1954 when the words "under God" were added.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)


An unnecessary amendment which would limit the very rights that the flag stands for.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)

We have the highest incarceration rate of any industrialized nation. Yet our violent crime rates are higher than almost all other First World Nations. Plus with a high recidivism rate, maybe it's time to consider that the current plan isn't working.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)


So because they have a death sentence they should no longer have basic human rights?

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)

Good, if people in this country are hell bent on having the death penalty we better make damn sure we don't kill someone who is innocent.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)

No time set aside for school prayer. Big difference.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)


So she voted against a policy that would increase pollution. I don't see a problem.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)

So we aren't as dependent on oil which pollutes, and have limited control over the supply of. I see no problem with that.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

Good for her. I really don't know what people are so scared of. Remember, even as Speaker of the House she still gets only one vote, and I would hope that she votes according to her district, as that is who she is representing. Also, she knows as does everyone else, that the race for 2008 starts on Wednesday morning, and I believe she is smart enough not to be so extreme as to kill the Dems hopes for then.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 39):
Apparently Falcon, you don't understand the difference between "mandating" and "allowing". I don't see anything wrong with allowing prayer in school as long as it's not mandated.

Kids in schools have always been allowed to pray there. Many kids pray on school grounds before or after school (see groups like Young Life), many more pray before they eat their lunch, or before taking a test they didn't study for  Wink. By creating a set aside time for prayer you create a defacto mandate singling out kids who do not pray.
 
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Sun Nov 05, 2006 5:42 pm

Quoting Allstarflyer (Reply 32):
What polls are you watching?

Simple observation of the world outside the U.S.A., as well as the 50% of Americans who seem to vote Democrat (give or take). Right-wing Christian fundamentalist values as espoused by SFOMEX in his list of Ms. Pelosi's vote-crimes are a distinctly minority view everywhere - in most democratic countries, they don't even make it above 10% of voters, and yet in the U.S. (sadly) they seem to make actual political headway. Time for progressive, tolerant Americans, who I know for sure make up the vast majority, to make their voices heard and sideline this narrow, Puritan and intolerant worldview once and for all.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:22 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 40):
yet in the U.S. (sadly) they seem to make actual political headway

Well, that's because they have nothing else to do but go to church and go to vote. Oh! And stick their noses in other people's business...but that's mostly a Republican thing in general.

As everyone knows, these people are the easiest to influence...the paranoid. If you convince them (and there are many of them on a.net) that no one save themselves (the Republicans) and Jesus Christ can save them from a terrorist attack, it's trumpeted loud and long; head to the polls. If you lie to people and tell them all of society will collapse into a burning heap of rubble (think Ground Zero only bigger) if gay people are allowed to marry, it's trumpeted loud and long; head to the polls. If you tell people that the Democrats will raise taxes to pay for the mess that George W. Moron got us into in Iraq that, too, will get these clowns rushing to their polling places. On the plus side, it's mildly amusing to watch (yes, Karl Rove is right, many Americans are stupid). The sad thing is, these people manage to stumble upon their polling places...on the right day, no less.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:28 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Her record:

Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

And so many other shameful votes.

And here are two things that are sham-ful.....



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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:36 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)
Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

She seems quite middle-of-the-road to me. Neither extreme-left nor right, by non-American standards anyway.

As for her 8% rating by the CC, she has been married for 40 years to the same man and has 5 grown kids.....that "family" record trumps any non-sensical rating by a special-interest Christian group.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:45 am

So someone who you disagree with politically is an extremist and a danger to the nation. Don't be daft. Are you scared?
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:54 am

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions. (Apr 2005)

Sounds like reducing undue burden to me.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on making it a crime to harm a fetus during another crime. (Feb 2004)

Um, duh.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on banning partial-birth abortion except to save mother’s life. (Oct 2003)

As she should have

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on forbidding human cloning for reproduction & medical research. (Feb 2003)

I for one will be glad if I am ever in an accident and can use my own, cloned tissue as opposed to that of a dead person or from some other part of my body.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on barring transporting minors to get an abortion. (Jun 1999)

Again, duh

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on restricting bankruptcy rules. (Jan 2004)

As she should have.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on making the PATRIOT Act permanent. (Dec 2005)

No sh!t. One of the most disgusting, unconstitutional and unpatriotic laws in history.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on protecting the Pledge of Allegiance. (Sep 2004)

"Protecting" huh? Given that the Pledge was sullied by religious language in the haste to seperate the US from the USSR, it makes sense to have it revert to its original form and stop taking a religious stand that government in our country is not supposed to take.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on constitutional amendment prohibiting flag desecration. (Jun 2003)

"Desecration" huh? I take it you mean disposing of a sullied flag properly (If a US flag ever gets dirty, it should be burned, and figurative dirt is included)? I take it you don't like the First Amendment very much.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on Bankruptcy Overhaul requiring partial debt repayment. (Mar 2001)

What the hell are you talking about? All bankruptcy requires debt repayment, including the banks' beloved Chapter 13 and their despised Chapter 7.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)

Um, duh.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)

Yet another duh.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)

Ah, yes, so you DO hate the Constitution

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)

You don't get it, do you? Procedure is what keeps us from barbarism, particularly in law.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)

How very uncatholic of you to think this is a bad thing.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on allowing school prayer during the War on Terror. (Nov 2001)

She shouldn't have to vote no. Prayer in schools is unconstitutional.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on passage of the Bush Administration national energy policy. (Jun 2004)

Which makes sense given that it should be called the Bush Administration National Environmental and Economic Destruction Policy

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on implementing Bush-Cheney national energy policy. (Nov 2003)

See above

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on raising CAFE standards; incentives for alternative fuels. (Aug 2001)

I take it you like paying $3 a gallon for gas?

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted YES on prohibiting oil drilling & development in ANWR. (Aug 2001)

Lets see here. Taking government land and government money to subsidize an environmental train wreck that would yield very little. GREAT one there.

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Voted NO on reducing Marriage Tax by $399B over 10 years. (Mar 2001)

The Marriage Tax. How funny. Is that like the "Death Tax"?

Quoting SFOMEX (Thread starter):
Rated 8% by the Christian Coalition: an anti-family voting record. (Dec 2003)

Um, given that Ralph Reid has made his fortune from gambling interests linked to the corrupt Jack Abramhof, what kind of credibility does the Hatred Coalition have anyway?

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 16):
I'm hoping the democrats choose Steny Hoyer. He'd be an exemplary Speaker, able to work across party lines to get things done.

I agree completely. As much as I am a fan of Representative Pelosi, the speaker need not be such a polarizing force on the floor. She is much more suited to her old job as a Whip, where she is responsible for stirring up the party faithful.

Quoting Falcon84 (Reply 33):
Maybe Peolsi isn't the extremist, SFOMEX-maybe YOU are, because you're so far to the right in your views.

Agreement. Total Agreement.

Quoting MUWarriors (Reply 39):
The USA PATRIOT Act is the epitome of a reactionary law. I have proudly voted twice for the only senator to vote against the USA PATRIOT Act when it came out.

Hell, the only senator who read the thing.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:02 am

Quoting Scamp (Reply 34):
Oh, and by the way, if she can figure out how to tax you and your fellow neo-con fascists into the poor house, I'd drink her bath water.

Hahaha...eww...Hahaha. I have to admit, you're knocking them out the park on this thread man! Big grin

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 37):
I thought we covered that a vote for a Democrat is not a vote for Nancy Pelosi and her personal beliefs, unless you're suggesting all the Democrats in Congress vote as Ms. Pelosi commands them to.

Um, I have a news flash for you, chief. I don't see too many deviations from the party platform in her voting record posted here.

Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 37):
Second, I remember these same cocky attitudes from libs going into November 2, 2004. We'll just wait and see what happens on Tuesday. I won't be shocked if the Democrats win the House and/or the Senate on Tuesday, but I'm not going to make guarantees one way or the other.

Hey, if the GOP hang onto both, that's just fine w/ me. It's going to be a win-win for the Dems. If they gain control, great. If not, the GOP will have to deal with everything.

Quoting MUWarriors (Reply 39):
I really don't know what people are so scared of.

It's because they've been told be to 'scared' of her. It's easier than actually researching why she voted the way she did. They just repeat what the talking heads say...Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly...You know, the unbiased experts on Democrats.  Wink
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:03 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 46):
I don't see too many deviations from the party platform in her voting record posted here.

I wish that were actually the case, but Nancy Pelosi is not the norm in the party.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:29 am

Quoting B777-700 (Reply 46):
Quoting FlyDeltaJets87 (Reply 37):Second, I remember these same cocky attitudes from libs going into November 2, 2004. We'll just wait and see what happens on Tuesday. I won't be shocked if the Democrats win the House and/or the Senate on Tuesday, but I'm not going to make guarantees one way or the other.
Hey, if the GOP hang onto both, that's just fine w/ me. It's going to be a win-win for the Dems. If they gain control, great. If not, the GOP will have to deal with everything.

While I left the party years ago, I hope the democrats take both Houses Tuesday. The GOP needs some time in the woodshed, because the way they've governed the past several years, it's hard to tell a republican from a democrat.
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RE: Speaker Pelosi... Lord Have Mercy!

Mon Nov 06, 2006 1:52 am

Quoting Halls120 (Reply 48):
it's hard to tell a republican from a democrat.

To me, it's getting hard to tell a Republican from a convict.
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Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos